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imthemaster
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States115 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 13:51:26
May 24 2014 13:51 GMT
#381
On May 24 2014 09:44 meowmasta85 wrote:
platinum roader, wherever you are, you are one lucky sob. shiptur as mid, and xwx as flex. holy shit, gg


First week aint nothing though in fantasy. Gonna be fun to see which players have an amazing season. I'm him btw.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 14:03:16
May 24 2014 13:52 GMT
#382
On May 24 2014 21:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 20:53 killerdog wrote:
On May 24 2014 19:52 Don_Julio wrote:
On May 24 2014 19:29 Redox wrote:
All my leagues going extremely well with Dig players, Kerp, Shook etc.
Really the only problem I have is the abundance of C9 players I have. These guys just dont get enough points because they win too quickly and get too few kills because they focus objectives. Which highlights one of the problems with the scoring system.


Just remember why you picked the C9 guys in the first place. You didn't pick them because they have the occasional 60 point game like Shiptur or Kerp. You picked because of their extremely high floor. They will score a good amount of points on a weekly basis while Dig and Millenium are bound to produce stinkers once in a while.

The problem with that kind of logic is with the scoring system, your player carrying super scrappy one sided stomps give a TON more points then clean 20 minute finishes, or long positional games. You can afford to have two players on your team not really show up, if the third one goes big.

Shiptur having a stompy win, and a scrappy loss will give a lot more points then hai having two calm, easy 25 minute wins. I feel like a lot of matchups in the coming weeks are going to be decided purely by who's player has one/two really good (or really bad) games, rather then overall picks, as noone managed to pick an entirely "reliable" team.

Also is anyone else noticing this trend of support's getting just as many (or more) points then their adc's from longer games? (where the adc wasn't the one carrying at least.) Assists are scored so generously, and the tendency of supports to engage/have huge aoe cc means they get a shitton of assists if the game moves past laning. (For every assist the support gets, the adc needs 150 cs >.>)


Support usually gets more than ad in long games btw, if ofc ad doesn't get every pie.
Well, 4 games weeks are ok for guys like Shiphtur who can have this breakout performance at least once in a week.

2 games weeks are better for guys from C9 and other stable teams, just because you can be sure that they will deliver estimated numbers.

Yeah I guess it makes sense, I was just so caught up in the ad/mid hype that I underestimated them a fair bit, seeing supports consistently outscoring ad's just feels weird though. tbh top seems like by far the worst role~

Kind of glad I have a decent pair in kiwikid/nyph now
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 16:06:21
May 24 2014 15:06 GMT
#383
On May 24 2014 22:52 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 21:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On May 24 2014 20:53 killerdog wrote:
On May 24 2014 19:52 Don_Julio wrote:
On May 24 2014 19:29 Redox wrote:
All my leagues going extremely well with Dig players, Kerp, Shook etc.
Really the only problem I have is the abundance of C9 players I have. These guys just dont get enough points because they win too quickly and get too few kills because they focus objectives. Which highlights one of the problems with the scoring system.


Just remember why you picked the C9 guys in the first place. You didn't pick them because they have the occasional 60 point game like Shiptur or Kerp. You picked because of their extremely high floor. They will score a good amount of points on a weekly basis while Dig and Millenium are bound to produce stinkers once in a while.

The problem with that kind of logic is with the scoring system, your player carrying super scrappy one sided stomps give a TON more points then clean 20 minute finishes, or long positional games. You can afford to have two players on your team not really show up, if the third one goes big.

Shiptur having a stompy win, and a scrappy loss will give a lot more points then hai having two calm, easy 25 minute wins. I feel like a lot of matchups in the coming weeks are going to be decided purely by who's player has one/two really good (or really bad) games, rather then overall picks, as noone managed to pick an entirely "reliable" team.

Also is anyone else noticing this trend of support's getting just as many (or more) points then their adc's from longer games? (where the adc wasn't the one carrying at least.) Assists are scored so generously, and the tendency of supports to engage/have huge aoe cc means they get a shitton of assists if the game moves past laning. (For every assist the support gets, the adc needs 150 cs >.>)


Support usually gets more than ad in long games btw, if ofc ad doesn't get every pie.
Well, 4 games weeks are ok for guys like Shiphtur who can have this breakout performance at least once in a week.

2 games weeks are better for guys from C9 and other stable teams, just because you can be sure that they will deliver estimated numbers.

Yeah I guess it makes sense, I was just so caught up in the ad/mid hype that I underestimated them a fair bit, seeing supports consistently outscoring ad's just feels weird though. tbh top seems like by far the worst role.
Kind of glad I have a decent pair in kiwikid/nyph now


Well, ad/mids still put up biggest numbers, so i'm still not a fan of going non-ad/mid flex.
Toplaners seem off, kev1n is only one who got more than 80 right now, ackerman probably is going to match him but not so much, Balls even in win has, let's be honest, sad 14~, not speaking about pathetic 36 points week by sOAZ and so on.
I guess, Seraph is still by far best NA choice on toplane with ackerman because of amount of 5-manning which LMQ and CLG are using, but it's better to have EU top because of long games, creep scores and so on + they have more chances to put up numbers.

Supports are volatile though because their performance is directly correlated with team's performance.
For example, Unlimited got something like 30+ in Wolves's win against {M} and got something like 6 points combined in other 3 games.
But there are still guys like Aphromoo, nRated, Nyph and Xpecial who have incredible kill participation and earn tons of points.
+ I think that it's good to have support from team which you picked because if team rolls, it's double bonuses, which are good for long super weeks, not so much for 2-games weeks.

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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 24 2014 15:37 GMT
#384
In retrospect, I agree, you can get the most points out of your flex pick with Mid or ADC.
I went into fantasy LCS thinking Jungler and Top would be most important. Jungler/Top are easy to corner the draft with but you still don't make as much points as with Mid/ADC.
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meowmasta85
Profile Joined January 2013
721 Posts
May 24 2014 15:44 GMT
#385
I immediately took the highest scoring ad/mid available as my FLEX, because I figured they would be earn the most points. Jungle, while influential for the outcome of the game, won't score much unless the team is also doing well (there's definitely correlation, but not causation, between fantasy pts and how junglers/support fare, i.e. the assists are a really good indicator of team outcome). Whereas ad and mid can score high, even when their team might end up losing.
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 16:11:15
May 24 2014 16:08 GMT
#386
I went with Meteos as the #1 overall pick and I think it will be worth it. He will score way more points than anyone else at the position. I think that is what you want out of the best fantasy players. Not the total amount of points is important but the difference between the players at the given position.
I also think that it's way too early to judge the point system and the picks. Shiptur played against Complexity, come on his point don't mean shit and EU is EU.

And yes, flex should be mid or ad. It's only worth to look at other positions if your draft was bad or one of your players has tough matchups.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 24 2014 16:38 GMT
#387
Given that you win by having more total points than your opponents, I'd argue that total amount of points is pretty fucking important.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
May 24 2014 16:42 GMT
#388
Still need 5 people for dis league here:

http://fantasy.na.lolesports.com/en-US/league/227862

When it fills up we can start drafting.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
May 24 2014 17:06 GMT
#389
In a couple hours I'll be busy for a lot of the day so...yeah.
meowmasta85
Profile Joined January 2013
721 Posts
May 24 2014 21:24 GMT
#390
ridin' dat vasilii and mor train this week <3
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 01:32:31
May 24 2014 22:17 GMT
#391
Dyrus got more points in the game vs CRS then soaz got in all 4 of his games this week.

I'm so sorry

edit: So mr fusilero sir, I happen to have in my possession two members of clb, should we begin negotiations?

editedit: I have to say though, if mill can keep it up, wonder's team really is pretty scary
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 01:57:34
May 25 2014 01:34 GMT
#392
Fusilero is right on my heels. 30 points shouldn't be too huge considering a lot of Shiptur's points came from the penta (a penta alone is 5*3 + 10 = 25 points, 8 of which for the final kill that was donated btw ) and so far he'd actually pull less points per game than XWX, however TSM still has to play against EG which means Turtle and Amazing could have a field day while I only have Gleeb and Turtle missed out on a bunch of points with his throws (while Gleeb ended the Curse game with a double).

C9 still has 2 games. Balls' ability to perform (and especially outperform Sneaky) will be instrumental in this week's result, along with whether or not Turtle will derp against EG (which I think he won't, hence Balls being so important).
Guess I really shoulda kept Zion up.

Hm, next week it's XWX vs C9 and Dignitas, or Jesiz vs Alliance and Roccat... on one hand it seems like SK has an easier week (esp. with Roccat and assuming Dig keeps rolling), on the other hand XWX performed in such an impressive manner I really want to keep him on if I can afford it. Oh boy.
Meanwhile top it's Zion and Balls. Zion naturally gets way more kills than Balls, however both have to play against LMQ, but Balls gets Curse while Zion gets TSM as the 2nd team. Dig can win but their chances are lower than C9's trashing Curse.

Based on our respective picks' match-ups (esp. C9's), I expect Julio to win the week 2 face-off though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 01:44:42
May 25 2014 01:42 GMT
#393
Really, amount of points those NA midlaners deliver is ridiculous.
Shiphtur got 30+ per game, XWX has 30+ per game, Bjergsen is at almost 27 per game and so on.

On May 25 2014 07:17 killerdog wrote:
Dyrus got more points in the game vs CRS then soaz got in all 4 of his games this week.

I'm so sorry

edit: So mr fusilero sir, I happen to have in my possession two members of clb, should we begin negotiations?

editedit: I have to say though, if mill can keep it up, wonder's team really is pretty scary


I don't expect Kerp to pull off such miracles every week, but i have Pobelter on the bench AHAHA. So if anything, i can doublerisk with Doublelift in team.
To be honest, i like Kot's team, if he throws Jankos from flex and find anything/trade, i guess he can be very ok this season.

But in general, teams are pretty same level with Capped slightly behind.
Julio has pretty much most balanced stack, they will deliver.

Holy shit, ahahah.
Got something like 20 points from Liftlift, Moo and CLG after this ridiculous game.
Dexter alone pulled 11 for Kot, it's joke.

Anyway, 43,72 points ahead of Alter's team, if ackerman doesn't get penta against feeding Curse, i'm pretty much done with fantasy because i'm not going to finish 0-11. :Dp
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
May 25 2014 01:45 GMT
#394
On May 25 2014 10:42 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Really, amount of points those NA midlaners deliver is ridiculous.
Shiphtur got 30+ per game, XWX has 30+ per game, Bjergsen is at almost 27 per game and so on.

Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 07:17 killerdog wrote:
Dyrus got more points in the game vs CRS then soaz got in all 4 of his games this week.

I'm so sorry

edit: So mr fusilero sir, I happen to have in my possession two members of clb, should we begin negotiations?

editedit: I have to say though, if mill can keep it up, wonder's team really is pretty scary


I don't expect Kerp to pull off such miracles every week, but i have Pobelter on the bench AHAHA. So if anything, i can doublerisk with Doublelift in team.
To be honest, i like Kot's team, if he throws Jankos from flex and find anything/trade, i guess he can be very ok this season.

But in general, teams are pretty same level with Capped slightly behind.
Julio has pretty much most balanced stack, they will deliver.

Holy shit, ahahah.
Got something like 20 points from Liftlift, Moo and CLG after this ridiculous game.
Dexter alone pulled 11 for Kot, it's joke.

Anyway, 43,72 points ahead of Alter's team, if ackerman doesn't get penta against feeding Curse, i'm pretty much done with fantasy because i'm not going to finish 0-11. :Dp

Hai after 2 games(according to the site, jsut started watching today's games) - 15.24 points.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 01:52:08
May 25 2014 01:50 GMT
#395
On May 25 2014 10:45 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 10:42 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Really, amount of points those NA midlaners deliver is ridiculous.
Shiphtur got 30+ per game, XWX has 30+ per game, Bjergsen is at almost 27 per game and so on.

On May 25 2014 07:17 killerdog wrote:
Dyrus got more points in the game vs CRS then soaz got in all 4 of his games this week.

I'm so sorry

edit: So mr fusilero sir, I happen to have in my possession two members of clb, should we begin negotiations?

editedit: I have to say though, if mill can keep it up, wonder's team really is pretty scary


I don't expect Kerp to pull off such miracles every week, but i have Pobelter on the bench AHAHA. So if anything, i can doublerisk with Doublelift in team.
To be honest, i like Kot's team, if he throws Jankos from flex and find anything/trade, i guess he can be very ok this season.

But in general, teams are pretty same level with Capped slightly behind.
Julio has pretty much most balanced stack, they will deliver.

Holy shit, ahahah.
Got something like 20 points from Liftlift, Moo and CLG after this ridiculous game.
Dexter alone pulled 11 for Kot, it's joke.

Anyway, 43,72 points ahead of Alter's team, if ackerman doesn't get penta against feeding Curse, i'm pretty much done with fantasy because i'm not going to finish 0-11. :Dp

Hai after 2 games(according to the site, jsut started watching today's games) - 15.24 points.


What can you expect when team gets 2 kills :D Meteos got something 1,5 points for this game, Hai got 3, Balls got ~2,5 and so on.
I mean, best midlaner for fantasy is hybrid of Kerp, Pobelter and Bjergsen who just goes ham with absolute knowledge and just harvest everything.

I seriously think that it's better to get EU adc and not NA even if it's Doublelift because of amount of possible harvesting that can happen.
Only reason that i'm still in danger is Doublelift because of that Mr.Rallez game against [A] when he picked Draven and harvested tons of points for Kot and alsot because SHC are team with 1,5 threats and Rallez gets everything he wants and needs to live and carry, or at least, try to carry.

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meowmasta85
Profile Joined January 2013
721 Posts
May 25 2014 03:46 GMT
#396
Already at 475 pts with another day of NA LCS (was projected at 448). Vasili and Mor are my two overachievers compared to what they were predicted as (even though I really felt they would be the best bot duo in NA LCS fantasy pts wise), and the rest of my picks have more or less met their predicted point total (save xpeke). Up 125 on my competitor, so I'm feeling in pretty good shape.Unless C9 totally goes off the rocker against LMQ tomorrow, I should have the win in the bag.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 25 2014 07:05 GMT
#397
End of Day 2 Report:

List of teams that are currently worth more fantasy points than Cloud 9:
Everyone except CoL.

Snoopeh and EG are collectivly worth more than their counter parts on C9 at the moment. 39 points over 3 games vs 21 over 2 for the lowest on C9 shows a vast disparity in playstyles, and while C9 is obviously a better team in terms of play. This Cess Pool of a Meta has made C9 so passive and basicly not worth anything at all. C9 has 2 games tomorrow so I expect this to go up a bit, but I'm almost to the point of sitting my C9 players for week2. Tomorrow will have a full analysis and Week 2 Predictions.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 25 2014 09:08 GMT
#398
Alaric's xaiowexaio's CS score and sneakyturtle not getting the points I need is really putting the hurt on, after two matches sneaky just has just 23 to alaric's tabzz with 104. I think I'm going to lose if sneakyturtle doesn't get big today, amazing's kill secures on elise are helping to keep the gap from widening but I'm in a pretty bad spot with the ADCs not really playing as well as they should.
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 09:40:52
May 25 2014 09:38 GMT
#399
Yeah I dropped Jankos for Altec, I hope hype is real. And heh, since last CLG game is against C9 then Ackerman gets penta, Double/Seraph/Link take all the kills and I can win :D

BTW Westrice is on the market, I needed an even worse player that will score me more points.
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Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
May 25 2014 10:03 GMT
#400
Killerdog, fuck you.
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