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IMoperator
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Lmui
Canada6214 Posts
Enjoy the OGN games by the way, I'm pretty sure I know the outcome. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 14 2013 15:33 kainzero wrote: It could be anything. It could be a new item that gives her some CC. It could be a new item that makes 4 protect 1 better. It could be one where long duration silence is more valuable than short duration CC. I like you optimism, but. Your first two suggestions are gamechanging items that would shake up more than the "meta" those are things that would affect the balance of every champion. The discussion is about what people could potentially be playing NOW on this patch, where Soraka would be a great pick. And her silence is already good, the problem is one silence doesn't make a strong kit. On August 14 2013 15:35 PrinceXizor wrote: It doesn't make sense to me to play soraka as a 0 cs low xp priority champion. Her strengths are all based on levels and getting a bit tanky. If supports were treated like they are in dota, with them being given jungle farm in the mid game if their teams can afford it, soraka would slide right in, but very few if any teams seems to even attempt that. As a jungler you can psuedo force that, and she'd still be picking up any team related items that you need. Though soraka also fits the role of a great 2v1 support as well, since her laning kind of sucks, but her pushing is pretty good, she can coast through the rocky early game and establish enough of an advantage for her team that her weaknesses become mitigated. I would like to see evidence of her being a good 2v1 laner. She has low kill potential, sacrifices maxing her better utility skills for Q to be a good pusher, and sucks at not getting ganked if her 2v1 lane extends. Also, pushing down towers isn't even about mindlessly forcing the lane to tower. its about zoning and building a huge wave that then makes defending at a low level untenable. Seriously guys, Soraka is bad-mediocre, and the Riot Balance Team has essentially said that they intend her to be so because they think her heals are toxic. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On August 14 2013 16:11 cLutZ wrote: Seriously guys, Soraka is bad-mediocre, and the Riot Balance Team has essentially said that they intend her to be so because they think her heals are toxic. Citation needed. Though I personally agree, Soraka isn't really alot of fun either to play or play against. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
edit: lol, looks like I missed the train like six pages back  Well whatever, I'm still fuggin psyched that they're still giving my waifu attention, and if the third Q can indeed jump all walls I'm gonna start jungling her again. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 14 2013 16:11 cLutZ wrote: I would like to see evidence of her being a good 2v1 laner. She has low kill potential, sacrifices maxing her better utility skills for Q to be a good pusher, and sucks at not getting ganked if her 2v1 lane extends. Also, pushing down towers isn't even about mindlessly forcing the lane to tower. its about zoning and building a huge wave that then makes defending at a low level untenable. Seriously guys, Soraka is bad-mediocre, and the Riot Balance Team has essentially said that they intend her to be so because they think her heals are toxic. Who says Soraka's Q is her only spell useful for pushing. Her Heal/armor buff can absorb 2-3 tower hits on its own on a siege minion. Silence shuts down ganks hard and prevents flashes. She's weak in lane so you prefer to put her in a 2v1 scenerio if you are supporting with her. same way you prefer that with carries that do better late but have abusable early games. No one is arguing that poor laning carries are bad in a 2v1. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On August 14 2013 16:37 Osmoses wrote: Citation needed. Though I personally agree, Soraka isn't really alot of fun either to play or play against. She used to be fun to play before they gutted her kit. She's pretty abysmal as of now, used to be my favourite champ | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 14 2013 16:37 Osmoses wrote: Citation needed. Though I personally agree, Soraka isn't really alot of fun either to play or play against. Here is a good one: http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/79220-riot-have-you-ever-thought-about-reworking-sorakas-kit Sorry, I know she does fill that role (and it's fun for people who enjoy traditional healers!) but dedicated healers destroy games by their mere existence. I've talked very in-depth about this a lot. My hesitation comes mostly from I know that it'd make healer-players really sad, but I'm also really confident it'd be the right decision for the game. =/ or here http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/63617-dear-riot-why-you-dislike-soraka To be frank, this is my high-level problem with Soraka. Soraka being really good makes the game worse overall. On August 14 2013 16:57 PrinceXizor wrote: Who says Soraka's Q is her only spell useful for pushing. Her Heal/armor buff can absorb 2-3 tower hits on its own on a siege minion. Silence shuts down ganks hard and prevents flashes. She's weak in lane so you prefer to put her in a 2v1 scenerio if you are supporting with her. same way you prefer that with carries that do better late but have abusable early games. No one is arguing that poor laning carries are bad in a 2v1. Ahh, the classic "heal the minion" tactic. Stop trolling, Soraka ganks provide less gank defense than comparable lanes with Janna/Lulu/Thresh/Nami and less gank assist than probably any other support. As I just pointed out, she was INTENTIONALLY made bad. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On August 14 2013 17:08 Nikon wrote: She used to be fun to play before they gutted her kit. She's pretty abysmal as of now, used to be my favourite champ Gotta say though, I think silence is underrated. It's no less annoying than fear, for the simple reason that it lasts fucking forever and without abilities every champion is a sitting duck. On August 14 2013 17:20 cLutZ wrote: Citation needed. Though I personally agree, Soraka isn't really alot of fun either to play or play against. Sorry, I know she does fill that role (and it's fun for people who enjoy traditional healers!) but dedicated healers destroy games by their mere existence. I've talked very in-depth about this a lot. My hesitation comes mostly from I know that it'd make healer-players really sad, but I'm also really confident it'd be the right decision for the game. =/ To be frank, this is my high-level problem with Soraka. Soraka being really good makes the game worse overall. Haha, holy shit, they must really feel like they fucked up if they can talk about a champ like that :D | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
He's said the exact same things about Poppy in her current form and guess what, the argument here is basically the same as Poppy, if you can survive her horrendous lane phase she's a really strong champion. does that make her strong overall? no, but that was never the argument and bringing up those posts is missing the original point entirely. | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
On August 14 2013 16:02 IMoperator wrote: guys for mid or top lee sin, hydra, bork or bt? I am a big fan of Hydra > wardens mail > cowl after a reju + 4 pots + 2 wards start. The dmg and waveclear from the hydra active is super strong mid game then you can build tanky to stay relevant late. Match up depending you may want to build defense earlier and stay on the tiamat for a little bit though. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On August 14 2013 17:21 Osmoses wrote: Gotta say though, I think silence is underrated. It's no less annoying than fear, for the simple reason that it lasts fucking forever and without abilities every champion is a sitting duck. I don't think there are many situations where 2.5s silence is better than a 1.5s stun, though. Especially if it's single target. I still think Soraka has some cheesy lanes though. Soraka+Jayce and Soraka+Sivir are still noobstompers. Jayce, however, is not the greatest AD carry, and Sivir's low range makes her unremarkable in the current meta. Even if you split push with her, she loses to Zed and Shen. I don't think Wish (the global heal) does enough to really stop a good combo team. You would need some great counter-initiate and some really tanky champions. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I think if you could find a way to put her in a solo, with a more farm dependant jungler, that'd be pretty good. After athenes and maybe a rylai's or abyssal, she could very easily cede farm to somebody else. Maybe add a crucible for maximum healing potential. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 14 2013 17:21 Osmoses wrote: Gotta say though, I think silence is underrated. It's no less annoying than fear, for the simple reason that it lasts fucking forever and without abilities every champion is a sitting duck. Haha, holy shit, they must really feel like they fucked up if they can talk about a champ like that :D the older a champion is the more they're willing to shit talk it. Even if they release another yorick tomorrow you'll barely see a word against him until we're a few months into his reign of misery. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On August 14 2013 17:50 chinstrap wrote: I am a big fan of Hydra > wardens mail > cowl after a reju + 4 pots + 2 wards start. The dmg and waveclear from the hydra active is super strong mid game then you can build tanky to stay relevant late. Match up depending you may want to build defense earlier and stay on the tiamat for a little bit though. this is such a good way to build top laners like lee / wu etc. If you lose lane build a deffy item before hydra like he said. So Tiamat into Cowl / wardens depending then hydra followed by the other into upgrades then finish with a BC. Im usually very greedy so i'll go straight hydra -> BC which works ok but your squishy as fuck really so you need to come out ahead or at least even (which tiamat / hydra does for you pretty damn well) i wouldnt recommend it but going BC after wardens / cowl could work if your ahead. You farm so fast with hydra its ridiculous anyway | ||
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IMoperator
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 14 2013 18:16 IMoperator wrote: Is it just me, or is gragas's ult the hardest fucking thing in the world to use effectively. I played him a few times today, and so many times I've ulted really low people away, someone flashes or does some gap closing thing and I ult them to safety instead of catching them, and it knocks all the enemies out of the aoe ults our team has. Probably one of the most hard to use skill in the game to use imo. For the life of me I can never use steroids effectively in this game. i always save them far too long | ||
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IMoperator
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ETisME
12489 Posts
On August 14 2013 18:30 IMoperator wrote: Also, I wanted to ask what's the point of playing a champ like Leblanc since ahri is a far more versatile and useful assassin? I think riot is looking into lebanc according to a red post. personally I think Lebanc is better in terms of offering both a slow and a stun but I am only a low league player :p | ||
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