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dae
Canada1600 Posts
daemonsniperr on Twitch. Also, AP nid gets way stronger when people get better at not jumping in on her as much and suiciding, and when teams are better at getting stuff when you land spears. On AP nid I usually sit caster form unless cat is 100% a kill, and even then I usually run exhaust to make it safer to jump in. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 14 2013 13:20 Requizen wrote: Her laning isn't ~bad~, it's just not up to par with other supports, and the Infuse nerf (not allowing her to use it on herself) kind of fucked it over. She still turns any poke-y harass-y AD into a monster granted you don't overextend and die to ganks (or hard engage supports like Leo). I've had plenty of solo queue games supporting Varus or Cait where we just poked the shit out of the enemy lane and took tower super fast because every time they stepped out of the fog of war they'd eat all the damages and we'd stay in lane forever. It's pretty niche, but yeah her late is pretty fucking good too in the right situations. I just want to point out something here. It seems to me like every times someone claims a champ is bad, you say they're not "bad", just not good. If something is worse than everything else or almost everything else, then it's baaaaaaaaaaaaad, that's what bad means. If someone uses the word bad, then his scale is somewhere from bad to good, not ok to good. Something has to be ~~/\-"bad"-/\~~. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
realistically a minimum of 5+ bot lane and upwards of 20+ for mid/top/jungle with only 6 total bans, thats a shit load. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 14 2013 14:07 Feartheguru wrote: I just want to point out something here. It seems to me like every times someone claims a champ is bad, you say they're not "bad", just not good. If something is worse than everything else or almost everything else, then it's baaaaaaaaaaaaad, that's what bad means. If someone uses the word bad, then his scale is somewhere from bad to good, not ok to good. Something has to be ~~/\-"bad"-/\~~. No, there's bad, in that it sucks and even in it's niche it barely works. Soraka isn't outclassed in her niche, but she doesn't fit the meta and her counters are pretty common. That makes her (currently) a bad pick, but not a bad champion. So I guess it depends on what you mean when you say bad. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
she is good at BOTH 3-1-1 and anti wombo-combo. I mean I guess you could use meta do desctibe current popular picks, she pairs poorly with current popular Ads and is bad vs current popular supports sometimes it feels like Meta is to Esports as Para-neoplasitc syndrome is to house. | ||
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spellsy
United States418 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 14 2013 14:12 Requizen wrote: No, there's bad, in that it sucks and even in it's niche it barely works. Soraka isn't outclassed in her niche, but she doesn't fit the meta and her counters are pretty common. That makes her (currently) a bad pick, but not a bad champion. So I guess it depends on what you mean when you say bad. Definitely. There's a big difference between "bad" and "doesn't fit the meta". The former is a problem, the latter is a temporary issue. I don't mind bad champions being fixed up, but it really bothers me when people want to change champions who simply don't mesh with the meta. All that does is perpetuate the meta, stagnate the game, and stymie natural progress. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Support and all that jazz. Make me millions in e-sport gold. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 14 2013 14:30 PrinceXizor wrote: Raka can jungle pretty effectively, and makes 1v2 lanes pretty reasonable for your team. Hitting level 6 in 6 minutes gives you a very strong global ability. Solo queue though its decidedly pretty poor since people will rant at you for not doing a level 3 gank. and then if you DO level 3 gank, they rant at you for picking soraka. considering the reactions I've gotten to Morg jungle, which actually does come with strong ganks, I'd love to see a screenshot of 10 sec after you lock this badboy in. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 14 2013 14:39 Slusher wrote: considering the reactions I've gotten to Morg jungle, which actually does come with strong ganks, I'd love to see a screenshot of 10 sec after you lock this badboy in. It'd probably be roughly the same reception PX gets in TLGD. "This guy's a fucking moron". | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 14 2013 14:39 Slusher wrote: considering the reactions I've gotten to Morg jungle, which actually does come with strong ganks, I'd love to see a screenshot of 10 sec after you lock this badboy in. Only done it without dodges in solo queue 3/15 attempts as you might imagine.The first time i got trolled for picking soraka and we ended up playing teemo/malzahar bot lane. Second time people hated on me but decided to give me a chance, i snowballed mid lane by walking by and donating health/mana every time i crossed from wraith to wolves or vice versa. and we won off the back of our best player being ahri with free infinite hp/mana. Third game People hated on me until around 30 minutes into the game, where i was continuously told what a bro i was and how much everyone on my team loved me. Flash heal saves and going back in to heal a teammate and secure them a quadra when i had <100 hp makes people respect you quite a bit more. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Then I just split push all game and help teamfights by ulting, like all the top lane trolls do. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Holy shit teamfight UI looks great. Grats on collaboration w/Riot Spellsy! Um....guess that's it. Only one fucking week left until I might be able to play regularly again. Edit: Let me add to this. Forecast Janna voice is fucking brilliant. Can definitely see it getting old though for people playing her. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 14 2013 14:17 Seuss wrote: Definitely. There's a big difference between "bad" and "doesn't fit the meta". The former is a problem, the latter is a temporary issue. I don't mind bad champions being fixed up, but it really bothers me when people want to change champions who simply don't mesh with the meta. All that does is perpetuate the meta, stagnate the game, and stymie natural progress. My follow up to this statement would be: What is the meta you think that would allow Soraka to be a top tier pick again? Because I dont think there is one. She has not been an optimal support pick since the Nautilus patch (Feb 2012), was briefly a strong + annoying solo laner following that. Then she was murdered in that regard in the Varus Patch (May 2012 following dig's "amazing" 3rd place finish using her), and a coup de gras was delivered in July with the Jayce patch with nerfs to both healing abilities. Personally, I feel like she is basically a weak Karthus right now. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On August 14 2013 15:17 cLutZ wrote: My follow up to this statement would be: What is the meta you think that would allow Soraka to be a top tier pick again? Because I dont think there is one. She has not been an optimal support pick since the Nautilus patch (Feb 2012), was briefly a strong + annoying solo laner following that. Then she was murdered in that regard in the Varus Patch (May 2012 following dig's "amazing" 3rd place finish using her), and a coup de gras was delivered in July with the Jayce patch with nerfs to both healing abilities. Personally, I feel like she is basically a weak Karthus right now. It could be anything. It could be a new item that gives her some CC. It could be a new item that makes 4 protect 1 better. It could be one where long duration silence is more valuable than short duration CC. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 14 2013 15:17 cLutZ wrote: My follow up to this statement would be: What is the meta you think that would allow Soraka to be a top tier pick again? Because I dont think there is one. She has not been an optimal support pick since the Nautilus patch (Feb 2012), was briefly a strong + annoying solo laner following that. Then she was murdered in that regard in the Varus Patch (May 2012 following dig's "amazing" 3rd place finish using her), and a coup de gras was delivered in July with the Jayce patch with nerfs to both healing abilities. Personally, I feel like she is basically a weak Karthus right now. It doesn't make sense to me to play soraka as a 0 cs low xp priority champion. Her strengths are all based on levels and getting a bit tanky. If supports were treated like they are in dota, with them being given jungle farm in the mid game if their teams can afford it, soraka would slide right in, but very few if any teams seems to even attempt that. As a jungler you can psuedo force that, and she'd still be picking up any team related items that you need. Though soraka also fits the role of a great 2v1 support as well, since her laning kind of sucks, but her pushing is pretty good, she can coast through the rocky early game and establish enough of an advantage for her team that her weaknesses become mitigated. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
A better Shard of True Ice would be great on her. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 14 2013 14:17 spellsy wrote: i made a infographic with lolesports : http://na.lolesports.com/season3/split2/articles/xmithie-week-8-mvp-breakdown what do you guys think ? LOL dat 100% gank in the gank vs countergank rate | ||
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spellsy
United States418 Posts
On August 14 2013 15:50 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: LOL dat 100% gank in the gank vs countergank rate ya its weird . meteos counterganks the most followed by theoddone. xmithie and crumbzz countergank the least (crumbzz has the most total ganks by far, 18 in the first 15 min of 3 games.. dig values kills a lot lot ) | ||
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