[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 243

On August 14 2013 08:59 Sermokala wrote:

Tide caller is secret op. Shes a support that can be used as a kill lane support a poky sustain aupport or a brusier support.

On August 14 2013 09:34 bmn wrote:
How can supports have a good win rate overall?

At least diamond and above I'd expect fewer people to pick non-support champs simply because they refuse to support (i.e. troll their team by picking something horrible just because -- not just picking a kill lane)

On August 14 2013 09:36 Amethyst21 wrote:


Good supports win games. They win lanes. They get map control. They use their champions correctly. They itemize correctly.

I've turned around games in Silver elo just by buying an oralces when the opposing support didn't. Their team walked into a 5 man Sona ult and promptly lost the game. Support influence is often subtle but very effective.

On August 14 2013 09:28 mr_tolkien wrote:

And if you miss one Q in lane you just lost lane.

Seriously there's a reason why Nami has a pretty bad winrate for a support (supports usually have very good win rates in SoloQ). One missed Q and that's bye bye, free all-in from the other team.

On August 14 2013 09:27 FinestHour wrote:
also yorick is freelo the unsung hero of the defense of legends

On August 14 2013 09:34 bmn wrote:
How can supports have a good win rate overall?

At least diamond and above I'd expect fewer people to pick non-support champs simply because they refuse to support (i.e. troll their team by picking something horrible just because -- not just picking a kill lane)

On August 14 2013 09:34 bmn wrote:
How can supports have a good win rate overall?

At least diamond and above I'd expect fewer people to pick non-support champs simply because they refuse to support (i.e. troll their team by picking something horrible just because -- not just picking a kill lane)

On August 14 2013 09:42 kainzero wrote:

According to LoLKing she has 49.8% winrate, which is more than Lulu, Thresh, Ali, and Soraka. She gets good play at the competitive level.

I don't think her missed bubbles are anywhere near as bad as missing Zenith Blades or Rocket Grabs, mostly because she still has good ranged harass. But not as good as Thresh because Thresh is stupid good anyway.

On August 14 2013 09:36 Amethyst21 wrote:


Good supports win games. They win lanes. They get map control. They use their champions correctly. They itemize correctly.

I've turned around games in Silver elo just by buying an oralces when the opposing support didn't. Their team walked into a 5 man Sona ult and promptly lost the game. Support influence is often subtle but very effective.

On August 14 2013 09:46 Requizen wrote:

You're going to get shot

On August 14 2013 11:31 Slusher wrote:
the advantage of being a support main is 75% of the time your direct opponent is playing a role they don't put as much focus on as you, and 50% the time are mad about it.

also damn.

Teamfight UI looks so sick, all we need now is a post battle damage parse.

On August 14 2013 10:21 ticklishmusic wrote:


I don't think a 5-man Crescendo is exactly a subtle but effective influence. I'd say that's about Plaguuuuuu level.

On August 14 2013 09:50 Zanno wrote:

my janna winrate is 70% and my sona is like 66%

it is so ridiculously easy to support your way out of the bronze pit if you understand conceptually what a support needs to do

it's up to the support not the adc to make the plays that win bot lane and if bot lane snowballs hard enough then this also means it doesn't matter if your adc is not good at the game because not only is he fed as hell you're also good enough at the game to have the common sense to keep him alive in fights and compensate for his bad positioning

if for whatever reason bot lane does not go so well figure out who has the greatest chances of carrying the game and do everything in your power to keep them alive and you'll win

On August 14 2013 12:27 Simberto wrote:


Yeah, but the point was that whenever you win as a support, someone else loses as a support. The only way for the support role as a whole, in contrast to just specific support champions to have a winrate that is not 50% is for one side to not have a support. Which probably reduces their chances of winning, but also doesn't really happen that often, at least not at my rating.

On August 14 2013 12:39 Zanno wrote:

ex: lux, nidalee, nautilus, volibear, are not actually supports. there is no reason to play support lux over zyra, there's no reason to play nidalee period, and if you want to play a ham going tank support there's no reason to play naut/voli over leona. like today, i got matched with a guy who was gold 4 in a normal, he said "i can't support" and just locked nautilus. how you can get that far with no understanding of how to support is a mystery to me, and while he played nautilus well as nautilus the pick caught up to us badly in the lategame because he spent too much warding to build enough to survive in fights.

then you have zilean, who it would be really cool if he could work but he falls off too quickly and he's squishy - a good strategy is to simply ignore the adc and gangbang zilean over and over from 1-5.