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On May 20 2013 09:27 kongoline wrote:
1 game where he insanely counter picked his lane opponent doesnt prove much
Where is your proof that she is completely unplayable?
LB was being banned out for the first half of NA LCS because Regi was fucking terror with her
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On May 20 2013 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 09:38 kongoline wrote:
riot fucked up by introducing assassins with wave clear, escape mechanic, sustain and poke
lol wtf were they thinking Fucking Zed man. Honestly. :s Kha's actually fine as is minus his evo'd W's current state. Riot's looking to change that anyways.
E is too cheap, and shouldn't be able to do damage on its "resets" in any case.
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United States47024 Posts
It's not so much a matter of power, more than the fact that Zed/Kha'zix are just sort of good at everything.
Good ganking, solo killing, teamfighting, poke, sieging, lategame. There's not anything that stands out as explicit counterplay from a big-picture game plan perspective other than "play better than them" because their kits are simply well-rounded. Even if you nerf them, it doesn't make them more interesting in this regard.
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On May 20 2013 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 09:38 kongoline wrote:
riot fucked up by introducing assassins with wave clear, escape mechanic, sustain and poke
lol wtf were they thinking Fucking Zed man. Honestly. :s Kha's actually fine as is minus his evo'd W's current state. Riot's looking to change that anyways.
if anything kha skill kit is more broken than zed
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On May 20 2013 10:14 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 10:07 Ryuu314 wrote:On May 20 2013 09:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 08:55 cLutZ wrote:
LB is such a great champion, she just needs minor tweaks imo. Faker would be totally down for her to get buffed hue. Idk, Faker proved she can work in a specific team comps at a pro level (at least countering Karthus) and she can still be a pub stomper. Her biggest issue is falling off late game but we already have champs with high assassination eary and late game and most people just complain about them lol. On May 20 2013 09:15 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:00 Craton wrote:
I'd rather her left in obscurity. Why? Id rather talon, kha, and zed be obscure than the fun and relatively easy to balance Leblanc. What makes her easier to balance? AP instead of AD? AP yes. Also crappy pushing(same with panth). So she has normal assassin bad late game and high Risk. lol. Panth has crappy pushing lol Lategame panth is all about splitpushing with your E. LOL. Lategame splitpush pushing is nearly irrelevant. Please use your E on the wave during a tower siege or during the laning phase. I dare you.
Isnt that because he maxes Q first for the insane poke dmg? I thought maxing E wasnt viable because of this.
Maybe tweaking his numbers so its better early / more viable to max first is a good idea xD
EDIT: EUW down and I edited all my spelling errors out Mr nazi sob3k. Ease of writing > accuracy when they both read the same on the internets.
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On May 20 2013 10:28 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 10:14 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 10:07 Ryuu314 wrote:On May 20 2013 09:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 08:55 cLutZ wrote:
LB is such a great champion, she just needs minor tweaks imo. Faker would be totally down for her to get buffed hue. Idk, Faker proved she can work in a specific team comps at a pro level (at least countering Karthus) and she can still be a pub stomper. Her biggest issue is falling off late game but we already have champs with high assassination eary and late game and most people just complain about them lol. On May 20 2013 09:15 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:00 Craton wrote:
I'd rather her left in obscurity. Why? Id rather talon, kha, and zed be obscure than the fun and relatively easy to balance Leblanc. What makes her easier to balance? AP instead of AD? AP yes. Also crappy pushing(same with panth). So she has normal assassin bad late game and high Risk. lol. Panth has crappy pushing lol Lategame panth is all about splitpushing with your E. LOL. Lategame splitpush pushing is nearly irrelevant. Please use your E on the wave during a tower siege or during the laning phase. I dare you. Isnt that because he maxes Q first for the insane poke dmg? I thought maxing E wasnt viable because of this. Maybe tweaking his numbers so its better early / more viable to max first is a good idea xD
No, its the opposite of a good idea. We do NOT want Pantheon to have good earlygame clear (even if it is relatively unsafe). That is the point of the whole last 2 pages. Pantheon gets to bully when he counterpicks + assassination if fed (with mediocrity if not). THAT IS ALL HE GETS.
Your plan is like giving Draven Buckshot.
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On May 20 2013 10:28 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 10:14 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 10:07 Ryuu314 wrote:On May 20 2013 09:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 08:55 cLutZ wrote:
LB is such a great champion, she just needs minor tweaks imo. Faker would be totally down for her to get buffed hue. Idk, Faker proved she can work in a specific team comps at a pro level (at least countering Karthus) and she can still be a pub stomper. Her biggest issue is falling off late game but we already have champs with high assassination eary and late game and most people just complain about them lol. On May 20 2013 09:15 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:00 Craton wrote:
I'd rather her left in obscurity. Why? Id rather talon, kha, and zed be obscure than the fun and relatively easy to balance Leblanc. What makes her easier to balance? AP instead of AD? AP yes. Also crappy pushing(same with panth). So she has normal assassin bad late game and high Risk. lol. Panth has crappy pushing lol Lategame panth is all about splitpushing with your E. LOL. Lategame splitpush pushing is nearly irrelevant. Please use your E on the wave during a tower siege or during the laning phase. I dare you. Isnt that because he maxes Q first for the insane poke dmg? I thought maxing E wasnt viable because of this. Maybe tweaking his numbers so its better early / more viable to max first is a good idea xD EDIT: EUW down and I edited all my spelling errors out Mr nazi sob3k. Ease of writing > accuracy when they both read the same on the internets.
Makes me want to weep. Why do you do this? 
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On May 20 2013 09:38 kongoline wrote:
riot fucked up by introducing assassins with wave clear, escape mechanic, sustain and poke
lol wtf were they thinking
Also CD resets and no meaningful resource cost.
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On May 20 2013 09:42 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 09:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 08:55 cLutZ wrote:
LB is such a great champion, she just needs minor tweaks imo. Faker would be totally down for her to get buffed hue. Idk, Faker proved she can work in a specific team comps at a pro level (at least countering Karthus) and she can still be a pub stomper. Her biggest issue is falling off late game but we already have champs with high assassination eary and late game and most people just complain about them lol. On May 20 2013 09:15 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:00 Craton wrote:
I'd rather her left in obscurity. Why? Id rather talon, kha, and zed be obscure than the fun and relatively easy to balance Leblanc. What makes her easier to balance? AP instead of AD? AP yes. Also crappy pushing(same with panth). So she has normal assassin bad late game and high Risk. So what kind of tweeks would make her more viable? I'm just wondering since you seem invested in LB. Do you want her to still be a risky pick but not as risky? I realize this comment kinda sounds like I'm being a sarcastic asshole but I'm actually interested.
Doesn't TL LoL revolve around being nice to newcomers and sarcastic assholes amongst ourselves (oh, and Pokemon) anyway? Family bonds and all that.
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United States23745 Posts
On May 20 2013 10:37 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 09:42 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 09:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 08:55 cLutZ wrote:
LB is such a great champion, she just needs minor tweaks imo. Faker would be totally down for her to get buffed hue. Idk, Faker proved she can work in a specific team comps at a pro level (at least countering Karthus) and she can still be a pub stomper. Her biggest issue is falling off late game but we already have champs with high assassination eary and late game and most people just complain about them lol. On May 20 2013 09:15 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:00 Craton wrote:
I'd rather her left in obscurity. Why? Id rather talon, kha, and zed be obscure than the fun and relatively easy to balance Leblanc. What makes her easier to balance? AP instead of AD? AP yes. Also crappy pushing(same with panth). So she has normal assassin bad late game and high Risk. So what kind of tweeks would make her more viable? I'm just wondering since you seem invested in LB. Do you want her to still be a risky pick but not as risky? I realize this comment kinda sounds like I'm being a sarcastic asshole but I'm actually interested. Doesn't TL LoL revolve around being nice to newcomers and sarcastic assholes amongst ourselves (oh, and Pokemon) anyway? Family bonds and all that.
I just don't like confrontation lol
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Lol, OddOne is such ass at Trundle xD
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On May 20 2013 10:38 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 10:37 Alaric wrote:On May 20 2013 09:42 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 09:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 08:55 cLutZ wrote:
LB is such a great champion, she just needs minor tweaks imo. Faker would be totally down for her to get buffed hue. Idk, Faker proved she can work in a specific team comps at a pro level (at least countering Karthus) and she can still be a pub stomper. Her biggest issue is falling off late game but we already have champs with high assassination eary and late game and most people just complain about them lol. On May 20 2013 09:15 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:00 Craton wrote:
I'd rather her left in obscurity. Why? Id rather talon, kha, and zed be obscure than the fun and relatively easy to balance Leblanc. What makes her easier to balance? AP instead of AD? AP yes. Also crappy pushing(same with panth). So she has normal assassin bad late game and high Risk. So what kind of tweeks would make her more viable? I'm just wondering since you seem invested in LB. Do you want her to still be a risky pick but not as risky? I realize this comment kinda sounds like I'm being a sarcastic asshole but I'm actually interested. Doesn't TL LoL revolve around being nice to newcomers and sarcastic assholes amongst ourselves (oh, and Pokemon) anyway? Family bonds and all that. I just don't like confrontation lol
The LoL staff chat clearly needs more quips at Curse.
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On May 20 2013 10:35 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 10:28 Capped wrote:On May 20 2013 10:14 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 10:07 Ryuu314 wrote:On May 20 2013 09:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 08:55 cLutZ wrote:
LB is such a great champion, she just needs minor tweaks imo. Faker would be totally down for her to get buffed hue. Idk, Faker proved she can work in a specific team comps at a pro level (at least countering Karthus) and she can still be a pub stomper. Her biggest issue is falling off late game but we already have champs with high assassination eary and late game and most people just complain about them lol. On May 20 2013 09:15 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:00 Craton wrote:
I'd rather her left in obscurity. Why? Id rather talon, kha, and zed be obscure than the fun and relatively easy to balance Leblanc. What makes her easier to balance? AP instead of AD? AP yes. Also crappy pushing(same with panth). So she has normal assassin bad late game and high Risk. lol. Panth has crappy pushing lol Lategame panth is all about splitpushing with your E. LOL. Lategame splitpush pushing is nearly irrelevant. Please use your E on the wave during a tower siege or during the laning phase. I dare you. Isnt that because he maxes Q first for the insane poke dmg? I thought maxing E wasnt viable because of this. Maybe tweaking his numbers so its better early / more viable to max first is a good idea xD EDIT: EUW down and I edited all my spelling errors out Mr nazi sob3k. Ease of writing > accuracy when they both read the same on the internets. Makes me want to weep. Why do you do this?
Its something to do with the fact that i teach english, but im not sure why.
Once i finish work, my mind just stops giving a fuck lol. Probably because im so bad at english i have to concentrate like a DBZ character powering up just to teach decently.
I suppose my mind just doesnt want to put the effort in while im typing casually lol
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On May 20 2013 08:21 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 08:00 TheYango wrote:On May 20 2013 07:07 koreasilver wrote:On May 20 2013 06:18 Cloud9157 wrote:On May 20 2013 02:41 Artok wrote:On May 20 2013 02:23 Cloud9157 wrote:On May 20 2013 02:21 Artok wrote:On May 20 2013 02:20 Shikyo wrote:
Swain EQ -> autos -> W the escape route trading is really strong against ranged mages as well if he can get close. His waveclear also is NP after 6 and he doesn't need a blue as all Swains rush Athenes as well. Remember Anivia waveclear is awful before 6 as well. I don't think he's awful but there's usually better options short ranged sustained damage ap mages that have to be in the middle of fight and have only skillshot cc are awful sadly You mean vlad, minus the cc? vlad with mana, no escape and no aoe amp, seems about right Swain has next to no mana issues with cata, and if you are good at last hitting. lol ok His mana costs are in the range of normal casters, 6/6ing every wave is worth 9+level mp5, and his mana/regen growth aren't any lower than normal casters. His mana is completely fine. All these manaless and low mana cost champs have just made people completely ditch the idea of mana management as a relevant skill. Especially with mana/regen items being all the rage right now across all roles. mana stopped being an issue right around when people started buying grail i love how nobody runs mana regen runes anymore either
You honestly need armor to survive half these ganks now. Xin coming from behind you and jumping on your face is almost hitting for true damage if you have like 13-20 armor.
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United States23455 Posts
CTU and LG-IM 2 seem to be the teams to keep your eyes out for to be the next SKT#2 for next season. LG-IM2 eliminated MVP Blue, and CTU absolutely murdered KT Rolster A. I can see KT just kicking their A team and picking up CTU.
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United States23745 Posts
On May 20 2013 10:44 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 10:38 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 10:37 Alaric wrote:On May 20 2013 09:42 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 09:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 08:55 cLutZ wrote:
LB is such a great champion, she just needs minor tweaks imo. Faker would be totally down for her to get buffed hue. Idk, Faker proved she can work in a specific team comps at a pro level (at least countering Karthus) and she can still be a pub stomper. Her biggest issue is falling off late game but we already have champs with high assassination eary and late game and most people just complain about them lol. On May 20 2013 09:15 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:00 Craton wrote:
I'd rather her left in obscurity. Why? Id rather talon, kha, and zed be obscure than the fun and relatively easy to balance Leblanc. What makes her easier to balance? AP instead of AD? AP yes. Also crappy pushing(same with panth). So she has normal assassin bad late game and high Risk. So what kind of tweeks would make her more viable? I'm just wondering since you seem invested in LB. Do you want her to still be a risky pick but not as risky? I realize this comment kinda sounds like I'm being a sarcastic asshole but I'm actually interested. Doesn't TL LoL revolve around being nice to newcomers and sarcastic assholes amongst ourselves (oh, and Pokemon) anyway? Family bonds and all that. I just don't like confrontation lol The LoL staff chat clearly needs more quips at Curse.
We're mostly too busy teasing Neo about CLG for that.
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So all that "I'm not a confrontational person ;_;" thing you've got going is actually a ploy to keep Neo from retorting by guilt tripping him? You're such a bully deep inside.
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So im going to take the time to revise all my runes / masteries today. Apparently they arent optimal anymore O.O
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United States23745 Posts
I attribute it to mob mentality.
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On May 20 2013 10:57 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 10:44 Alaric wrote:On May 20 2013 10:38 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 10:37 Alaric wrote:On May 20 2013 09:42 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 09:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 20 2013 08:55 cLutZ wrote:
LB is such a great champion, she just needs minor tweaks imo. Faker would be totally down for her to get buffed hue. Idk, Faker proved she can work in a specific team comps at a pro level (at least countering Karthus) and she can still be a pub stomper. Her biggest issue is falling off late game but we already have champs with high assassination eary and late game and most people just complain about them lol. On May 20 2013 09:15 cLutZ wrote:On May 20 2013 09:00 Craton wrote:
I'd rather her left in obscurity. Why? Id rather talon, kha, and zed be obscure than the fun and relatively easy to balance Leblanc. What makes her easier to balance? AP instead of AD? AP yes. Also crappy pushing(same with panth). So she has normal assassin bad late game and high Risk. So what kind of tweeks would make her more viable? I'm just wondering since you seem invested in LB. Do you want her to still be a risky pick but not as risky? I realize this comment kinda sounds like I'm being a sarcastic asshole but I'm actually interested. Doesn't TL LoL revolve around being nice to newcomers and sarcastic assholes amongst ourselves (oh, and Pokemon) anyway? Family bonds and all that. I just don't like confrontation lol The LoL staff chat clearly needs more quips at Curse. We're mostly too busy teasing Neo about CLG for that.
CRS is a joke in itself anyway, no need to even bother.
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