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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:31 Zdrastochye wrote: I forget who I was arguing with that said iG would be a contender for the season final. I'm sorry but if they win more than one set I'll be completely surprised. Most teams that are in the season final will try to hide their shit. I don't think you can count anyone at this point, esp iG is one of the most well-funded team in China. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:31 Zdrastochye wrote: I forget who I was arguing with that said iG would be a contender for the season final. I'm sorry but if they win more than one set I'll be completely surprised. They can probably make Ro8 given the pool of teams that are in groupstage (barring a CLG.EU+Blaze group of death). Making it further than that is, as I said, a matter of who the bracket puts them against (TSM/WE are winnable, Frost is iffy--they probably need to get a little lucky, M5 they won't beat). | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:38 Caphe wrote: Most teams that are in the season final will try to hide their shit. I don't think you can count anyone at this point, esp iG is one of the most well-funded team in China. Not basing it off of games played now, obviously. I've been saying it for awhile. iG is a great team, maybe they'll even be S3 champs, who knows, but they're not in the top tier IMO. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:43 Zdrastochye wrote: Not basing it off of games played now, obviously. I've been saying it for awhile. iG is a great team, maybe they'll even be S3 champs, who knows, but they're not in the top tier IMO. I mean that pretty much goes without saying seeing as the only non-Korean team I'd say is in the "top tier" is M5. | ||
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Shiv.
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:52 wei2coolman wrote: TSM isn't top tier? I mean I don't like how they approach the game, but it'd be hard to argue that they aren't top tier. Not in the face of Blaze/M5. It's hard to argue that there isn't at least one degree of separation between Blaze/M5 and TSM. Plus it's very easy overrate TSM by virtue of the comparatively weak competition they've faced in comparison. Everyone looks good beating on weaker teams. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:55 TheYango wrote: Not in the face of Blaze/M5. It's hard to argue that there isn't at least one degree of separation between Blaze/M5 and TSM. I haven't really seen enough recent TSM vs Blaze, or TSM vs m5 games to judge. TSM can be pretty dominant... they should be put in same circle I think. Clg.eu too. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:55 TheYango wrote: Not in the face of Blaze/M5. It's hard to argue that there isn't at least one degree of separation between Blaze/M5 and TSM. Plus it's very easy overrate TSM by virtue of the comparatively weak competition they've faced in comparison. Everyone looks good beating on weaker teams. there is absolutely nothing basing your claim sure there is nothing basing the fact that tsm is on the same level as blaze/m5, but that doesn't mean the opposite is true | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:58 wei2coolman wrote: I haven't really seen enough recent TSM vs Blaze, or TSM vs m5 games to judge. TSM can be pretty dominant... they should be put in same circle I think. Clg.eu too. Pretty dominant against what? NA teams? Again, easy to look good when you're stomping bad teams. TSM vs. Blaze is the only recent game we've seen where TSM played against a relevant team in another region and they were very clearly outclassed. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
many things happen in a game and skill isn't the only deciding factor | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:58 wei2coolman wrote: I haven't really seen enough recent TSM vs Blaze, or TSM vs m5 games to judge. TSM can be pretty dominant... they should be put in same circle I think. Clg.eu too. clg.eu still seems like Froggen + 4 other dudes to me. we'll see how things go, but I think speculation at this point is pretty difficult since there hasn't been a whole lot of recent cross-continent play (that I've seen). | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22065 Posts
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
edit: does anyone know when the groups are announced? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:08 Gorsameth wrote: Tuned into HSGG for a bit and hes talking about how for the next 2 months every single one of em is going to stream atleast 8 hours a day. Is that really there idea of practice for a 1mil dollar tournament? Im not going to be suprised if they dont even make top 5. Honestly, even without mentioning that, I'm pretty skeptical that they'd get out of group stage unless they got super lucky with group arrangements. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:03 TheYango wrote: Pretty dominant against what? NA teams? Again, easy to look good when you're stomping bad teams. TSM vs. Blaze is the only recent game we've seen where TSM played against a relevant team in another region and they were very clearly outclassed. TSM facing new meta, it's happened before in EU vs NA matches, where one develops a new meta, and it either dominates other teams, or it doesn't work. Clearly, Korean meta was something TSM not use to, got wrecked. I'm sure they're gunna be a lot more weary of other strategies now. On September 21 2012 00:08 Gorsameth wrote: Tuned into HSGG for a bit and hes talking about how for the next 2 months every single one of em is going to stream atleast 8 hours a day. Is that really there idea of practice for a 1mil dollar tournament? Im not going to be suprised if they dont even make top 5. CLG lost a lot of fans going to Korea, they didn't stream very much during their stay there. Probably more of a marketing thing, than practice thing. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
if someone pulls an m5 or a dignitas and does some amazing shit it's probably just going to be 1 team and tsm can still make top 2 if the entire korean scene has some trick up their sleeve i think it would have leaked by now ^ ya, but they get a lot of viewers, they pretty much started streaming at a prime time where there was a real void in the market (oddone doesn't stream as much, scarra neither, so basically just dyrus and ocelote and aphromoo competition) it also means lots and lots of money and to be fair if they stream 8 hours and scrim 4-5 hours it's still fine, the real question is what they are doing with their team outside of those hours (because i know that they play scrims that they don't stream) | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22065 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:14 OutlaW- wrote: no they will just play what they usually do, the question is if their play will be solid enough if someone pulls an m5 or a dignitas and does some amazing shit it's probably just going to be 1 team and tsm can still make top 2 if the entire korean scene has some trick up their sleeve i think it would have leaked by now The Korean scene has 1 giant trick up there sleeve that imo may well get them # 1 and 2. They know how to actualy practice. | ||
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