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lifesteal quint seem to be pretty good 9% wihtout even dorans
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have to harass cs and poke sustain all at same time
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varus max E or go home
Q 1 lvl just to proc shit, taken at 4 or 8
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On August 20 2012 06:21 D u o wrote:
Looking to improve my adc mechanics, its all about last hitting but the only problem is that at lower levels [I'm currently level 17] all people do is try to kill you, should I just get 10-15 cs ahead and then fight back? So that way I'm always ahead even if I die?
Get ahead in CS but don't be afraid to trade back while they are going aggro, buy more items than them because you're ahead in CS, now that you have more gold than them whenever they come to kill you, kill them back.
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On August 20 2012 06:21 D u o wrote:
Looking to improve my adc mechanics, its all about last hitting but the only problem is that at lower levels [I'm currently level 17] all people do is try to kill you, should I just get 10-15 cs ahead and then fight back? So that way I'm always ahead even if I die?
May I ask which adc you're using? because certain champs can out lane others during the early game so knowing what your champ can do and what the enemy champ can do is important as it helps your assessment in whether u can take them or not. Overall the priority is farm and aiming to win the lane so focus on the global objective.
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Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on.
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On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on.
Vayne is pretty good vs. Ez, too. But if you can't rely on your support for whatever reason (standard solo q dumbness I assume) the only real adc that can lane most independently on its own vs Ez is Cait.
Generally, hard CC melee support (Ali, Leona, Taric) + bursty adc matchups focus on the 2-3 seconds of immobilization. You have to respect his stun and try to outplay them / harass back when stun is on cooldown. Just never be in stun range when the enemy adc can follow up easily. Brush control is very important, too.
You can also abuse the fact that Taric's stun has a relatively slow travel time (quickly executed escape's work wonders) and 'only' moderate range (CC on Taric before he reaches you).
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On August 23 2012 01:32 little fancy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on. Vayne is pretty good vs. Ez, too. But if you can't rely on your support for whatever reason (standard solo q dumbness I assume) the only real adc that can lane most independently on its own vs Ez is Cait. Generally, hard CC melee support (Ali, Leona, Taric) + bursty adc matchups focus on the 2-3 seconds of immobilization. You have to respect his stun and try to outplay them / harass back when stun is on cooldown. Just never be in stun range when the enemy adc can follow up easily. Brush control is very important, too. You can also abuse the fact that Taric's stun has a relatively slow travel time (quickly executed escape's work wonders) and 'only' moderate range (CC on Taric before he reaches you).
Ez shits on Vayne super hard...
Vayne does beat Q max Ezreal but against one that maxes W, no chance.
The thing I don't like about bot lane atm is that there are really only a few viable ADs. Vayne/Kog/Ashe all get shit on so hard by Corki/Ezreal/Graves. Trist and Sivir can do okay and I haven't seen enough Varus/Urgot to know but like 95% of games it's Corki, Ezreal, and/or Graves.
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On August 23 2012 02:01 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 01:32 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on. Vayne is pretty good vs. Ez, too. But if you can't rely on your support for whatever reason (standard solo q dumbness I assume) the only real adc that can lane most independently on its own vs Ez is Cait. Generally, hard CC melee support (Ali, Leona, Taric) + bursty adc matchups focus on the 2-3 seconds of immobilization. You have to respect his stun and try to outplay them / harass back when stun is on cooldown. Just never be in stun range when the enemy adc can follow up easily. Brush control is very important, too. You can also abuse the fact that Taric's stun has a relatively slow travel time (quickly executed escape's work wonders) and 'only' moderate range (CC on Taric before he reaches you). Ez shits on Vayne super hard... Vayne does beat Q max Ezreal but against one that maxes W, no chance. The thing I don't like about bot lane atm is that there are really only a few viable ADs. Vayne/Kog/Ashe all get shit on so hard by Corki/Ezreal/Graves. Trist and Sivir can do okay and I haven't seen enough Varus/Urgot to know but like 95% of games it's Corki, Ezreal, and/or Graves.
Maybe in Solo Queue, but we still see Vayne, Kog, and Ashe picked in competitive play because if you get past the lane phase on even terms, you have more potential to crush teamfights. They require more coordination from your team, that doesn't mean they aren't viable.
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On August 23 2012 02:12 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 02:01 Curu wrote:On August 23 2012 01:32 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on. Vayne is pretty good vs. Ez, too. But if you can't rely on your support for whatever reason (standard solo q dumbness I assume) the only real adc that can lane most independently on its own vs Ez is Cait. Generally, hard CC melee support (Ali, Leona, Taric) + bursty adc matchups focus on the 2-3 seconds of immobilization. You have to respect his stun and try to outplay them / harass back when stun is on cooldown. Just never be in stun range when the enemy adc can follow up easily. Brush control is very important, too. You can also abuse the fact that Taric's stun has a relatively slow travel time (quickly executed escape's work wonders) and 'only' moderate range (CC on Taric before he reaches you). Ez shits on Vayne super hard... Vayne does beat Q max Ezreal but against one that maxes W, no chance. The thing I don't like about bot lane atm is that there are really only a few viable ADs. Vayne/Kog/Ashe all get shit on so hard by Corki/Ezreal/Graves. Trist and Sivir can do okay and I haven't seen enough Varus/Urgot to know but like 95% of games it's Corki, Ezreal, and/or Graves. Maybe in Solo Queue, but we still see Vayne, Kog, and Ashe picked in competitive play because if you get past the lane phase on even terms, you have more potential to crush teamfights. They require more coordination from your team, that doesn't mean they aren't viable.
Yeah I meant in solo queue. You can find ways around the lane dominance in a coordinated team but in solo queue those 3 ADs are king.
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On August 23 2012 02:01 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 01:32 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on. Vayne is pretty good vs. Ez, too. But if you can't rely on your support for whatever reason (standard solo q dumbness I assume) the only real adc that can lane most independently on its own vs Ez is Cait. Generally, hard CC melee support (Ali, Leona, Taric) + bursty adc matchups focus on the 2-3 seconds of immobilization. You have to respect his stun and try to outplay them / harass back when stun is on cooldown. Just never be in stun range when the enemy adc can follow up easily. Brush control is very important, too. You can also abuse the fact that Taric's stun has a relatively slow travel time (quickly executed escape's work wonders) and 'only' moderate range (CC on Taric before he reaches you). Ez shits on Vayne super hard... Vayne does beat Q max Ezreal but against one that maxes W, no chance. The thing I don't like about bot lane atm is that there are really only a few viable ADs. Vayne/Kog/Ashe all get shit on so hard by Corki/Ezreal/Graves. Trist and Sivir can do okay and I haven't seen enough Varus/Urgot to know but like 95% of games it's Corki, Ezreal, and/or Graves.
Vayne has an advantage over Ezreal just because he is skillshot based. Ofc, if you try to beat Ez pre 6 like the standard solo queue player does, you're going to get shit on. But beating in lane doesn't necessarily mean you must go 3-0 in the first 10 minutes, does it?
As long as Vayne doesn't fall behind too far (read: eat every skill shot harass and get pushed out of lane which she shouldn't because of her Q) and Ez doesn't have ungodly anticipating skills and hits her with everything he has while she tumbles into stealth, her lvl 6 all in will own the Ezreal and from there on she can start snowballing.
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On August 23 2012 02:39 little fancy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 02:01 Curu wrote:On August 23 2012 01:32 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on. Vayne is pretty good vs. Ez, too. But if you can't rely on your support for whatever reason (standard solo q dumbness I assume) the only real adc that can lane most independently on its own vs Ez is Cait. Generally, hard CC melee support (Ali, Leona, Taric) + bursty adc matchups focus on the 2-3 seconds of immobilization. You have to respect his stun and try to outplay them / harass back when stun is on cooldown. Just never be in stun range when the enemy adc can follow up easily. Brush control is very important, too. You can also abuse the fact that Taric's stun has a relatively slow travel time (quickly executed escape's work wonders) and 'only' moderate range (CC on Taric before he reaches you). Ez shits on Vayne super hard... Vayne does beat Q max Ezreal but against one that maxes W, no chance. The thing I don't like about bot lane atm is that there are really only a few viable ADs. Vayne/Kog/Ashe all get shit on so hard by Corki/Ezreal/Graves. Trist and Sivir can do okay and I haven't seen enough Varus/Urgot to know but like 95% of games it's Corki, Ezreal, and/or Graves. Vayne has an advantage over Ezreal just because he is skillshot based. Ofc, if you try to beat Ez pre 6 like the standard solo queue player does, you're going to get shit on. But beating in lane doesn't necessarily mean you must go 3-0 in the first 10 minutes, does it? As long as Vayne doesn't fall behind too far (read: eat every skill shot harass and get pushed out of lane which she shouldn't because of her Q) and Ez doesn't have ungodly anticipating skills and hits her with everything he has while she tumbles into stealth, her lvl 6 all in will own the Ezreal and from there on she can start snowballing.
It's pretty hard to dodge W especially with Vayne's range. Ezreal can just E forward and unload in your face too and you have to run away every single time. You're going to be constantly poked to hell too and even if you do get a chance to all in I'm not sure Vayne wins that one as long as Ez has the W debuff on her.
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On August 23 2012 03:09 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 02:39 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 02:01 Curu wrote:On August 23 2012 01:32 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on. Vayne is pretty good vs. Ez, too. But if you can't rely on your support for whatever reason (standard solo q dumbness I assume) the only real adc that can lane most independently on its own vs Ez is Cait. Generally, hard CC melee support (Ali, Leona, Taric) + bursty adc matchups focus on the 2-3 seconds of immobilization. You have to respect his stun and try to outplay them / harass back when stun is on cooldown. Just never be in stun range when the enemy adc can follow up easily. Brush control is very important, too. You can also abuse the fact that Taric's stun has a relatively slow travel time (quickly executed escape's work wonders) and 'only' moderate range (CC on Taric before he reaches you). Ez shits on Vayne super hard... Vayne does beat Q max Ezreal but against one that maxes W, no chance. The thing I don't like about bot lane atm is that there are really only a few viable ADs. Vayne/Kog/Ashe all get shit on so hard by Corki/Ezreal/Graves. Trist and Sivir can do okay and I haven't seen enough Varus/Urgot to know but like 95% of games it's Corki, Ezreal, and/or Graves. Vayne has an advantage over Ezreal just because he is skillshot based. Ofc, if you try to beat Ez pre 6 like the standard solo queue player does, you're going to get shit on. But beating in lane doesn't necessarily mean you must go 3-0 in the first 10 minutes, does it? As long as Vayne doesn't fall behind too far (read: eat every skill shot harass and get pushed out of lane which she shouldn't because of her Q) and Ez doesn't have ungodly anticipating skills and hits her with everything he has while she tumbles into stealth, her lvl 6 all in will own the Ezreal and from there on she can start snowballing. It's pretty hard to dodge W especially with Vayne's range. Ezreal can just E forward and unload in your face too and you have to run away every single time. You're going to be constantly poked to hell too and even if you do get a chance to all in I'm not sure Vayne wins that one as long as Ez has the W debuff on her.
yeah that W debuffs a real pain in the dick
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On August 23 2012 03:17 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:09 Curu wrote:On August 23 2012 02:39 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 02:01 Curu wrote:On August 23 2012 01:32 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on. Vayne is pretty good vs. Ez, too. But if you can't rely on your support for whatever reason (standard solo q dumbness I assume) the only real adc that can lane most independently on its own vs Ez is Cait. Generally, hard CC melee support (Ali, Leona, Taric) + bursty adc matchups focus on the 2-3 seconds of immobilization. You have to respect his stun and try to outplay them / harass back when stun is on cooldown. Just never be in stun range when the enemy adc can follow up easily. Brush control is very important, too. You can also abuse the fact that Taric's stun has a relatively slow travel time (quickly executed escape's work wonders) and 'only' moderate range (CC on Taric before he reaches you). Ez shits on Vayne super hard... Vayne does beat Q max Ezreal but against one that maxes W, no chance. The thing I don't like about bot lane atm is that there are really only a few viable ADs. Vayne/Kog/Ashe all get shit on so hard by Corki/Ezreal/Graves. Trist and Sivir can do okay and I haven't seen enough Varus/Urgot to know but like 95% of games it's Corki, Ezreal, and/or Graves. Vayne has an advantage over Ezreal just because he is skillshot based. Ofc, if you try to beat Ez pre 6 like the standard solo queue player does, you're going to get shit on. But beating in lane doesn't necessarily mean you must go 3-0 in the first 10 minutes, does it? As long as Vayne doesn't fall behind too far (read: eat every skill shot harass and get pushed out of lane which she shouldn't because of her Q) and Ez doesn't have ungodly anticipating skills and hits her with everything he has while she tumbles into stealth, her lvl 6 all in will own the Ezreal and from there on she can start snowballing. It's pretty hard to dodge W especially with Vayne's range. Ezreal can just E forward and unload in your face too and you have to run away every single time. You're going to be constantly poked to hell too and even if you do get a chance to all in I'm not sure Vayne wins that one as long as Ez has the W debuff on her. yeah that W debuffs a real pain in the dick
I'd imagine not for Vayne.
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On August 23 2012 03:20 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:17 arb wrote:On August 23 2012 03:09 Curu wrote:On August 23 2012 02:39 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 02:01 Curu wrote:On August 23 2012 01:32 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on. Vayne is pretty good vs. Ez, too. But if you can't rely on your support for whatever reason (standard solo q dumbness I assume) the only real adc that can lane most independently on its own vs Ez is Cait. Generally, hard CC melee support (Ali, Leona, Taric) + bursty adc matchups focus on the 2-3 seconds of immobilization. You have to respect his stun and try to outplay them / harass back when stun is on cooldown. Just never be in stun range when the enemy adc can follow up easily. Brush control is very important, too. You can also abuse the fact that Taric's stun has a relatively slow travel time (quickly executed escape's work wonders) and 'only' moderate range (CC on Taric before he reaches you). Ez shits on Vayne super hard... Vayne does beat Q max Ezreal but against one that maxes W, no chance. The thing I don't like about bot lane atm is that there are really only a few viable ADs. Vayne/Kog/Ashe all get shit on so hard by Corki/Ezreal/Graves. Trist and Sivir can do okay and I haven't seen enough Varus/Urgot to know but like 95% of games it's Corki, Ezreal, and/or Graves. Vayne has an advantage over Ezreal just because he is skillshot based. Ofc, if you try to beat Ez pre 6 like the standard solo queue player does, you're going to get shit on. But beating in lane doesn't necessarily mean you must go 3-0 in the first 10 minutes, does it? As long as Vayne doesn't fall behind too far (read: eat every skill shot harass and get pushed out of lane which she shouldn't because of her Q) and Ez doesn't have ungodly anticipating skills and hits her with everything he has while she tumbles into stealth, her lvl 6 all in will own the Ezreal and from there on she can start snowballing. It's pretty hard to dodge W especially with Vayne's range. Ezreal can just E forward and unload in your face too and you have to run away every single time. You're going to be constantly poked to hell too and even if you do get a chance to all in I'm not sure Vayne wins that one as long as Ez has the W debuff on her. yeah that W debuffs a real pain in the dick I'd imagine not for Vayne.
? Why would an AS debuff not be?
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because girls don't have weiners
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On August 23 2012 04:13 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:20 Requizen wrote:On August 23 2012 03:17 arb wrote:On August 23 2012 03:09 Curu wrote:On August 23 2012 02:39 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 02:01 Curu wrote:On August 23 2012 01:32 little fancy wrote:On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on. Vayne is pretty good vs. Ez, too. But if you can't rely on your support for whatever reason (standard solo q dumbness I assume) the only real adc that can lane most independently on its own vs Ez is Cait. Generally, hard CC melee support (Ali, Leona, Taric) + bursty adc matchups focus on the 2-3 seconds of immobilization. You have to respect his stun and try to outplay them / harass back when stun is on cooldown. Just never be in stun range when the enemy adc can follow up easily. Brush control is very important, too. You can also abuse the fact that Taric's stun has a relatively slow travel time (quickly executed escape's work wonders) and 'only' moderate range (CC on Taric before he reaches you). Ez shits on Vayne super hard... Vayne does beat Q max Ezreal but against one that maxes W, no chance. The thing I don't like about bot lane atm is that there are really only a few viable ADs. Vayne/Kog/Ashe all get shit on so hard by Corki/Ezreal/Graves. Trist and Sivir can do okay and I haven't seen enough Varus/Urgot to know but like 95% of games it's Corki, Ezreal, and/or Graves. Vayne has an advantage over Ezreal just because he is skillshot based. Ofc, if you try to beat Ez pre 6 like the standard solo queue player does, you're going to get shit on. But beating in lane doesn't necessarily mean you must go 3-0 in the first 10 minutes, does it? As long as Vayne doesn't fall behind too far (read: eat every skill shot harass and get pushed out of lane which she shouldn't because of her Q) and Ez doesn't have ungodly anticipating skills and hits her with everything he has while she tumbles into stealth, her lvl 6 all in will own the Ezreal and from there on she can start snowballing. It's pretty hard to dodge W especially with Vayne's range. Ezreal can just E forward and unload in your face too and you have to run away every single time. You're going to be constantly poked to hell too and even if you do get a chance to all in I'm not sure Vayne wins that one as long as Ez has the W debuff on her. yeah that W debuffs a real pain in the dick I'd imagine not for Vayne. ? Why would an AS debuff not be?
She has two AA resets, and only wants to trade maximum three shots anyway versus ez.
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On August 23 2012 04:20 kainzero wrote:
because girls don't have weiners
You should get a medal.
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On August 23 2012 01:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there another AD other than Corki that can consistently beat a Ez lane, regardless of the support champ you're playing with? Kind of bored of playing Corki every other game lol.
Also, how do you stop Ez+Taric or Graves+Taric? Ali and Blitz are usually banned out and I normally get stuck with a Soraka or Sona, and I feel like I definitely can't out-trade them nor go up to CS without getting dunked on.
I personally like playing sivir against ezreal lanes. pre-6, if you can consistently spellshield harass and return it with your Q, winning the lane isn't too hard. If ezreal engages on you, especially if he E's in, his mobility is pretty bad, meaning he'll eat both ticks of your Q. AA>Q>AA>W>AA generally will outtrade ezreal.
Post-6, you can generally rely on mobility between your passive, ulti, and spellshield to make it difficult for ezreal to hit his ulti and skillshots on you if he wants to engage.
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Why don't I ever see MF played, in solo que or competitive games? I'm debating between buying her and Kog'Maw, but I tend to lean toward champs with mobility so I was leaning towards her.
Is she just not as much of a beast as Vayne, Ezreal, etc?
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