[Role] Ranged AD - Page 11

On August 16 2012 01:11 Mondeezy wrote:
Hey jcc/TL,

I've got a question for you. My friend is a somewhat new player (he's level 23, but has been playing with my level 30 friends and I since the beginning so he has SOME experience over other players at his level), and he has decided he likes ad carry. The problem is, however, that he never really "carries". He's got the rune page set up, as well as masteries, so I don't think it's a "stat" issue.

His main weaknesses as far as I can tell are last hitting. He tends to have about 100-110 at the 20min mark, and usually says his auto attacks don't do much damage (due to not having items). Also, his positioning in team fights isn't too solid (it has improved, but he still spends more time running away from someone and not putting out too much damage, even with peels).

I guess what I'm trying to ask is -- how do I help him improve his mechanics and his positioning? He's a pretty casual player, but he can be pretty competitive and hard-headed at times. I don't think he would sit in a bot game and practice last hitting minions. Any advice to help him improve?

Thanks in advance!

Edit: One more question -- which AD carries would you recommend to start? I've recommended Trist and Graves as those seem to be his favorites, and he kind of likes Caitlyn but I feel like she is weak other than in lane.

On August 16 2012 02:07 little fancy wrote:


Last hitting is just a mechanic. Feeling for it comes over time. He should practice it over and over in bot games. Goals like 60-70 at 10 minutes or 150 at 20 minutes are good for a beginner. But to be honest, I really think 100-110 CS at 20 minutes is pretty good for a lvl 23 player. I have lvl 30 mates that don't hit three digits in 20 minutes neither when playing solo lanes nor when playing AD carry.

And very important: remind him that these marks only apply when playing a standard game with 20 minute lane phase and without too much pressure. I used to be disappointed while learning AD carry and not reaching the marks in a real game.
But when there is a lot of action going on the lane (constant ganks from both sides, you're losing because the enemy plays better or you picked an AD with weak laning capabilites, laning phase ends early etc.) your goal is to get as many last hits as possible in the time you're given the possibility to farm.

Maybe you can show him the OGN vids from the latest CLG.na matches where even famous carry players like Doublelift don't even scratch 200 CS at 20ish minutes because the enemy korean team played so aggressively (even the best don't have this impressive numbers at any given time when shit's going down for you team, it's only natural).


Positioning: I'd say spam as many games as you can and make him learn by doing. Certain situations occur again and again and once he found out what works he will remember and apply next time.

Some high end pro shit like perfect orbwalking / attack animation cancel and a-move can be ignored until he got the basics (staying in the background, only attack what's near and when it's safe etc.). Next big thing after that is kiting IMO. If he has achieved this stage he is probably better at AD carry than 90% of people that play LoL.

€dit: slap him in the face whenever he becomes greedy. He has to be patient and is NOT the one that's diving for kills. Make sure he realizes he is the big damage dealer that should never die.

Some time ago a friend of mine scored a pentakill at the 50ish minute mark and ended the game as 12/12 Vayne. He just couldn't believe that it was a bad score for an AD carry although he got a pentakill. Many people have that wrong mindset.

On August 16 2012 05:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think only thing you need to be a good AD is manning up in fights, CS isn't that big of a deal.

On August 16 2012 05:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think only thing you need to be a good AD is manning up in fights, CS isn't that big of a deal.

On August 16 2012 06:59 zulu_nation8 wrote:
its obv bad to be down by a lot of cs with no trades but if youre bad at lasthitting to begin with chances are you'll focus too much on lasthitting and give up trades. At all elos you should prioritize trading over lasthitting meaning if you have a chance to poke the other AD out of lane you should do so instead of going for creeps. Like if you get an auto in but a ranged creep is dying but youre not taking too much minion damage you should go for another one instead of killing the creep. When you reach a certain elo the other AD won't take more than one autoattack of harass, then you'll need to learn to position yourself to zone and just lasthit.

On August 16 2012 08:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
how does ashe qualify as a hypercarry

On August 16 2012 09:08 Zdrastochye wrote:


Cause lategame a 3s stun on their out of position ad without qss is game winning! CARRIED SON!

On August 16 2012 11:02 Caphe wrote:
Ashe is scary late game, but getting her there is quite difficult. Ashe can be shut down very easily esp with all the Korean 4 man gank bot recently. She can't trade well with some one like Graves, has to rely on summoner spell to actually get away if someone sticks to her face.
In theory, Ashe can kite forever but its not true with some many bruiser/jungler has gap closer and stun/slow themselves. If both teams are equal at 35 mins mark, Ashe will shine cos her OP ulti is a risk free initiator.

I still think Graves is better than Ashe, as you can see most games nowadays has a Graves in it.