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I've always gone by 75 at 10, 100 at 15, 150 at 20 and counted kills as roughly 15cs, are these cs scores good for an ADC, obviously higher is better, I just want to know what is average?

and counted kills as roughly 15cs

On August 13 2012 15:27 Ryuu314 wrote:
Well, to be fair, every time Draven appears in a tourney he almost always loses. He's barely ever picked though and the tip top teams haven't picked him up. Iirc, only Evo and Crs (?) have ever played him in a tourney.

On the other hand, I'm starting to think Ez is overrated if tourney performances are anything to go by. At IPL Faceoff, Ez was picked in 16 games and had a 12.5% winrate (compared to Graves in 17 games with 58.82% winrate) out of 65 games total. At MLG Arena, Ez did better with a 50% winrate, but had a smaller sample size with only 8 games (20% of all games). At ECC Poland, Ez was played in 11 games with a 45.45% winrate out of a total of 41 games. So basically, at the last three major tournaments, Ez has been played in 35 out of 146 games (23.97% of games) but only has a 31.4% winrate.

It's probably important to note that in solo q ez has a winrate of about 53%.

I've done this analysis in detail before, so I will go ahead and verify that you are correct. Double Phantom dancers does infact outdamage Last Whisper over time, even as much as 200 armor or more.
I think some of that is due to the crit value item costs which is strange and RNG. If you do a similar analysis with crit runes, you'll find that crit runes out damage armor penetration/attack damage runes on auto attack.
There's many reasons why you shouldn't get double PD though.
For one, the burst damage on Last Whisper is much higher (which is the fundamental reason why it's better.)
Secondly, you have to be extremely efficient with PD to have higher damage over time. If you do not utilize every second of auto attack, but instead, are kiting/walking and not attacking, that's time that favors Last Whisper. PD is only better over a long period of time and that discourages kiting and possibly wasting milliseconds between auto attacks.
Third, Last Whisper favors burst. The first attack is always instant cast, so that puts Last Whisper Far ahead in the lead from the onset, that's something you need to account when analysing. What this means is, anyone that can reset their auto attack with their spells and attack twice without relying as much on attack speed (Vayne Tumble, Ezreal Q, etc.) means Last Whisper will GREATLY outdamage double PD by a lot.
Fourth, double PD is damage over time and better on lower armored targets/squishies (although still pretty good on higher armored targets too). What that means is, you'll be killing squishier targets in 4 quick auto attacks, you won't get the luxury of attacking them 20+ times for the damage to normalize. That heavily favors burst damage too. For the calculations to make sense, it has to be damage over many successive hits over time.
Fifth, because you're doing less damage per hit, Randuin's Omen and Thornmail more negatively impacts double PD. More hits on Randuin's = more AS/slow procs.
And of course, Sixth, if you have skills that do physical damage and benefits from LW, it's better there as well. Crit and AS are only good on auto attacks.
Double PD is definitely better if you're planning on doing Baron where your damage is over time. In Pvp combat, I think LW is better because burst is more favored over less damage per hits but over time.

Essentially, the conclusion is that PDPD vs PDLW is only viable on certain AD carries. It left out the thornmail thing but that's a niche scenario.

Secondly, you have to be extremely efficient with PD to have higher damage over time. If you do not utilize every second of auto attack, but instead, are kiting/walking and not attacking, that's time that favors Last Whisper. PD is only better over a long period of time and that discourages kiting and possibly wasting milliseconds between auto attacks.

Third, Last Whisper favors burst. The first attack is always instant cast, so that puts Last Whisper Far ahead in the lead from the onset, that's something you need to account when analysing.

Fifth, because you're doing less damage per hit, Randuin's Omen and Thornmail more negatively impacts double PD. More hits on Randuin's = more AS/slow procs.