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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
May 03 2012 00:15 GMT
#521
On May 03 2012 08:54 cLutZ wrote:
Why is Udyr like never banned SQ? He just dominates lane or jungle when anyone competent is using him. And you cant counterpick...because he can do both.


He's not very interesting to play.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
May 03 2012 00:16 GMT
#522
Udyr boring and he's countered by janna's passive. Most people in solo que also don't have an actual udyr page. Not alot of folks running around with move speed quints and attack speed red page.

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zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 03 2012 00:34 GMT
#523
On May 03 2012 09:03 phyvo wrote:
Ryze is one step closer to being like every other AP carry in the game. AA stack + deathcap now does more Q damage than RoA stack + AA.

Excuse me as I leave myself with no hp or resistences after spending 15k gold for 70 more damage.


Ryze can't really afford getting a dcap though, his whole deal is being tough as shit to kill tbh
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 03 2012 00:43 GMT
#524
On May 03 2012 09:34 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 09:03 phyvo wrote:
Ryze is one step closer to being like every other AP carry in the game. AA stack + deathcap now does more Q damage than RoA stack + AA.

Excuse me as I leave myself with no hp or resistences after spending 15k gold for 70 more damage.


Ryze can't really afford getting a dcap though, his whole deal is being tough as shit to kill tbh


Well not necessarily. That's what he turned into after his remake because of the mana ratios. He could get away with doing a shit ton of damage on spammable skills while building very tanky, mana heavy items.

The idea behind the change was that now if you want to build this tanky build, you sacrifice damage, and vice versa. I don't know the extent to which they succeeded with this plan - I haven't been able to play much the last couple days.
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
May 03 2012 00:48 GMT
#525
On May 03 2012 09:16 Parnage wrote:
Udyr boring and he's countered by janna's passive. Most people in solo que also don't have an actual udyr page. Not alot of folks running around with move speed quints and attack speed red page.


Who doesn't have movement speed quints? Attack speed reds, sure only junglers would use those, but movement speed quints are deceptively good. They are among the few quints that actually gain value as you buy items.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 03 2012 00:49 GMT
#526
Udyr rune page is uncommon? All my friends and their brothers have that generic 15% attack speed, 4.5% MS page
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
May 03 2012 00:50 GMT
#527
On May 03 2012 09:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 09:34 zodde wrote:
On May 03 2012 09:03 phyvo wrote:
Ryze is one step closer to being like every other AP carry in the game. AA stack + deathcap now does more Q damage than RoA stack + AA.

Excuse me as I leave myself with no hp or resistences after spending 15k gold for 70 more damage.


Ryze can't really afford getting a dcap though, his whole deal is being tough as shit to kill tbh


Well not necessarily. That's what he turned into after his remake because of the mana ratios. He could get away with doing a shit ton of damage on spammable skills while building very tanky, mana heavy items.

The idea behind the change was that now if you want to build this tanky build, you sacrifice damage, and vice versa. I don't know the extent to which they succeeded with this plan - I haven't been able to play much the last couple days.


Well sure, but pretty much anyone can see that building him glasscannon is going to be a poor idea.

Having no survivability on a mage champ who has to stand right next to their target for extended periods of time is a bad idea, and they even further discouraged it by nerfing his range and his snare duration, and nerfing Wota more.

Maybe you could run glass cannon Ryze bottom with soraka and he could be your magic AD carry....Thats basically what they are: glass cannon sustained damage with 600 range. His new ult synergizes with that.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 03 2012 01:17 GMT
#528
On May 03 2012 09:48 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 09:16 Parnage wrote:
Udyr boring and he's countered by janna's passive. Most people in solo que also don't have an actual udyr page. Not alot of folks running around with move speed quints and attack speed red page.


Who doesn't have movement speed quints? Attack speed reds, sure only junglers would use those, but movement speed quints are deceptively good. They are among the few quints that actually gain value as you buy items.


AS reds are pretty common on junglers...I think.

On May 03 2012 09:50 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 09:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On May 03 2012 09:34 zodde wrote:
On May 03 2012 09:03 phyvo wrote:
Ryze is one step closer to being like every other AP carry in the game. AA stack + deathcap now does more Q damage than RoA stack + AA.

Excuse me as I leave myself with no hp or resistences after spending 15k gold for 70 more damage.


Ryze can't really afford getting a dcap though, his whole deal is being tough as shit to kill tbh


Well not necessarily. That's what he turned into after his remake because of the mana ratios. He could get away with doing a shit ton of damage on spammable skills while building very tanky, mana heavy items.

The idea behind the change was that now if you want to build this tanky build, you sacrifice damage, and vice versa. I don't know the extent to which they succeeded with this plan - I haven't been able to play much the last couple days.


Well sure, but pretty much anyone can see that building him glasscannon is going to be a poor idea.

Having no survivability on a mage champ who has to stand right next to their target for extended periods of time is a bad idea, and they even further discouraged it by nerfing his range and his snare duration, and nerfing Wota more.

Maybe you could run glass cannon Ryze bottom with soraka and he could be your magic AD carry....Thats basically what they are: glass cannon sustained damage with 600 range. His new ult synergizes with that.


How would you build ryze as a Glass Cannon?

Stacking AA is...meh and kinda expensive. WOuld have CDR problems as well.
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nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
May 03 2012 01:19 GMT
#529
Tryndamere is going to do an AMA on reddit tomorrow

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=23879361

be sure to ask him some tough questions TL!
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
May 03 2012 01:20 GMT
#530
On May 03 2012 10:19 nojitosunrise wrote:
Tryndamere is going to do an AMA on reddit tomorrow

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=23879361

be sure to ask him some tough questions TL!


Why u no nerf Tryndamere?

kidding

I want to know about that stealth rework
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 03 2012 01:27 GMT
#531
On May 03 2012 09:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 09:34 zodde wrote:
On May 03 2012 09:03 phyvo wrote:
Ryze is one step closer to being like every other AP carry in the game. AA stack + deathcap now does more Q damage than RoA stack + AA.

Excuse me as I leave myself with no hp or resistences after spending 15k gold for 70 more damage.


Ryze can't really afford getting a dcap though, his whole deal is being tough as shit to kill tbh


Well not necessarily. That's what he turned into after his remake because of the mana ratios. He could get away with doing a shit ton of damage on spammable skills while building very tanky, mana heavy items.

The idea behind the change was that now if you want to build this tanky build, you sacrifice damage, and vice versa. I don't know the extent to which they succeeded with this plan - I haven't been able to play much the last couple days.


the thing is when he completes a voidstaff / wota/ aa he actually has so much ap that his damage probably wont go down building tanky, but his ratios are still so low that its not attractive building him 'standard'

so nothing really changed.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
May 03 2012 01:39 GMT
#532
On May 03 2012 10:20 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 10:19 nojitosunrise wrote:
Tryndamere is going to do an AMA on reddit tomorrow

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=23879361

be sure to ask him some tough questions TL!


Why u no nerf Tryndamere?

kidding

I want to know about that stealth rework

gee even i can answer that one... its coming... soon!
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 03 2012 01:41 GMT
#533
On May 03 2012 10:17 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 09:48 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On May 03 2012 09:16 Parnage wrote:
Udyr boring and he's countered by janna's passive. Most people in solo que also don't have an actual udyr page. Not alot of folks running around with move speed quints and attack speed red page.


Who doesn't have movement speed quints? Attack speed reds, sure only junglers would use those, but movement speed quints are deceptively good. They are among the few quints that actually gain value as you buy items.


AS reds are pretty common on junglers...I think.

Most junglers have given up aspd runes in favor of AD or armor pen afaik. Reason being that with the influx of junglers with aoe skills that aren't affected by autoattacks means that it's better to take AD/apen runes for more per-hit power.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
May 03 2012 01:49 GMT
#534
Junglers used to run a hyprid of attackspeed armor pen for best of both worlds( I seem to remember it being used on Ww/noct awhile ago) I still run them on noct and they do fine enough. As far as move speed quints I honestly don't see many people with them except for people I've told "OH GOD THEY GOOD GET THEM"
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 03 2012 02:17 GMT
#535
Is there any mathcraft about as/apen red mixes?
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
May 03 2012 02:17 GMT
#536
On May 03 2012 10:20 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 10:19 nojitosunrise wrote:
Tryndamere is going to do an AMA on reddit tomorrow

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=23879361

be sure to ask him some tough questions TL!


Why u no nerf Tryndamere?

kidding

I want to know about that stealth rework

Morello has said over and over recently, in regards to the stealth rework, is that he will say something when it is sure fire correct. He doesn't want people to go "but you said blah blah blah" anymore because he has admitted to poorly managing this specific project.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 03 2012 02:37 GMT
#537
Has anyone by any chance specced my last game where I was AP nid vs an Akali mid? How did she leave shroud both those times without me seeing her?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 02:48:50
May 03 2012 02:41 GMT
#538
On May 03 2012 11:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Is there any mathcraft about as/apen red mixes?

If you go 4 Apen reds(6.7) and the rest attack speed, along with 3/3 Apen mastery in the offense tree you hit 13 Apen total with 10% extra penetration, enough to do true damage to all small camps and 4 less damage to buff camps

Edit- just tried with 3 apen reds(5.0) and you still do true damage to small camps and gain +2% atk spd instead
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
capnspiff46
Profile Joined October 2010
United States49 Posts
May 03 2012 02:48 GMT
#539
Is Ahri very OP right now? I cannot seem to lose w/ her.

I assume that she is banned in ranked games?
LoL: Brouk
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 03 2012 02:50 GMT
#540
On May 03 2012 11:48 capnspiff46 wrote:
Is Ahri very OP right now? I cannot seem to lose w/ her.

I assume that she is banned in ranked games?

Seen her banned before but it's quite rare. She's strong yes but not very op.
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