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On April 01 2012 04:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If both Snoopeh AND whoever the al jungle is have kills and deaths, then they are both ganking. So your first point is moot.
And Mundo should have WELL more CS than a Maokai. No matter what. If you dont, then you are playing the champion INCREDIBLY wrong. Its basically the same as playing Lee Sin or Maokai and never ganking. You dont pick Mundo to gank. You pick him to double the cs of the enemy jungle.
Thats why Im saying you dont know how mundo works. Because you dont. And neither does this AL dude.
The bolded statement is straight up wrong. You can't look at kills/deaths and cs and make reasonable conclusions about how they played the champ. He probably wanted to be constantly clearing and double the cs of the enemy jungler, but the context of the game didn't allow him to. Making statements without consideration of the context of the specific game is silly.
Ion accurately pointed out that his team was losing badly, isn't it possible that forced him to alter his gameplay to more of a support/gank style gameplay?
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No you don't understand.
He is right, because he is right and we are wrong.
He does not need fickle things like reading comprehension.
Seriously though, stop this discussion.
Malunoo is a really good jungler, and AL lost that game, end of story
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On April 01 2012 04:26 petered wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 04:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If both Snoopeh AND whoever the al jungle is have kills and deaths, then they are both ganking. So your first point is moot.
And Mundo should have WELL more CS than a Maokai. No matter what. If you dont, then you are playing the champion INCREDIBLY wrong. Its basically the same as playing Lee Sin or Maokai and never ganking. You dont pick Mundo to gank. You pick him to double the cs of the enemy jungle.
Thats why Im saying you dont know how mundo works. Because you dont. And neither does this AL dude. The bolded statement is straight up wrong. You can't look at kills/deaths and cs and make reasonable conclusions about how they played the champ. He probably wanted to be constantly clearing and double the cs of the enemy jungler, but the context of the game didn't allow him to. Making statements without consideration of the context of the specific game is silly. Ion accurately pointed out that his team was losing badly, isn't it possible that forced him to alter his gameplay to more of a support/gank style gameplay?
I was watching the game. I was merely trying to point out that it wasnt the case where 1 person was ganking alone. Both were ganking.
And altering your gameplay in that sense IS a mistake when you are playing the wrong hero. You wouldnt play Leblanc and just afk farm mid, for example.
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Hmm I think AL's botlane should win these next games, Dunno about they synergy between pete and havoc and CLG will be missing a lot of his calls.
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On April 01 2012 04:34 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 04:26 petered wrote:On April 01 2012 04:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If both Snoopeh AND whoever the al jungle is have kills and deaths, then they are both ganking. So your first point is moot.
And Mundo should have WELL more CS than a Maokai. No matter what. If you dont, then you are playing the champion INCREDIBLY wrong. Its basically the same as playing Lee Sin or Maokai and never ganking. You dont pick Mundo to gank. You pick him to double the cs of the enemy jungle.
Thats why Im saying you dont know how mundo works. Because you dont. And neither does this AL dude. The bolded statement is straight up wrong. You can't look at kills/deaths and cs and make reasonable conclusions about how they played the champ. He probably wanted to be constantly clearing and double the cs of the enemy jungler, but the context of the game didn't allow him to. Making statements without consideration of the context of the specific game is silly. Ion accurately pointed out that his team was losing badly, isn't it possible that forced him to alter his gameplay to more of a support/gank style gameplay? I was watching the game. I was merely trying to point out that it wasnt the case where 1 person was ganking alone. Both were ganking. And altering your gameplay in that sense IS a mistake when you are playing the wrong hero. You wouldnt play Leblanc and just afk farm mid, for example.
There isn't a lightswitch between "ganking - not ganking" there's a certain amount of time invested into not farming and junglers are in control of that. You can gank a lot, a moderate amount, a little bit, and your farm will change accordingly.
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I other news, a Talon pick in a competetive game!
Froggen gets to play Lee Sin mid?? Finally?
€: @shrinky: Krepo had to go after game 1, "havoc24" is their ringer for him
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On April 01 2012 04:37 dooraven wrote:
Hmm I think AL's botlane should win these next games, Dunno about they synergy between pete and havoc and CLG will be missing a lot of his calls.
w00t?
can't really watch the games, krepo sick or something?
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On April 01 2012 04:38 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 04:34 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 01 2012 04:26 petered wrote:On April 01 2012 04:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If both Snoopeh AND whoever the al jungle is have kills and deaths, then they are both ganking. So your first point is moot.
And Mundo should have WELL more CS than a Maokai. No matter what. If you dont, then you are playing the champion INCREDIBLY wrong. Its basically the same as playing Lee Sin or Maokai and never ganking. You dont pick Mundo to gank. You pick him to double the cs of the enemy jungle.
Thats why Im saying you dont know how mundo works. Because you dont. And neither does this AL dude. The bolded statement is straight up wrong. You can't look at kills/deaths and cs and make reasonable conclusions about how they played the champ. He probably wanted to be constantly clearing and double the cs of the enemy jungler, but the context of the game didn't allow him to. Making statements without consideration of the context of the specific game is silly. Ion accurately pointed out that his team was losing badly, isn't it possible that forced him to alter his gameplay to more of a support/gank style gameplay? I was watching the game. I was merely trying to point out that it wasnt the case where 1 person was ganking alone. Both were ganking. And altering your gameplay in that sense IS a mistake when you are playing the wrong hero. You wouldnt play Leblanc and just afk farm mid, for example. There isn't a lightswitch between "ganking - not ganking" there's a certain amount of time invested into not farming and junglers are in control of that. You can gank a lot, a moderate amount, a little bit, and your farm will change accordingly.
Of course. But throwing away mundo's farming ability early to try to offset maokai just seems foolish to me. Mao is gonna gank better than you. IMO the best thing you can do is just carry a farm advantage into midgame and win there.
I mean, we did see him eventually pull away in cs by taking advantage of his clearing, but he could have done that SO much sooner and possibly be in a position to turn game around by being unkillable.
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On April 01 2012 04:38 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 04:34 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 01 2012 04:26 petered wrote:On April 01 2012 04:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If both Snoopeh AND whoever the al jungle is have kills and deaths, then they are both ganking. So your first point is moot.
And Mundo should have WELL more CS than a Maokai. No matter what. If you dont, then you are playing the champion INCREDIBLY wrong. Its basically the same as playing Lee Sin or Maokai and never ganking. You dont pick Mundo to gank. You pick him to double the cs of the enemy jungle.
Thats why Im saying you dont know how mundo works. Because you dont. And neither does this AL dude. The bolded statement is straight up wrong. You can't look at kills/deaths and cs and make reasonable conclusions about how they played the champ. He probably wanted to be constantly clearing and double the cs of the enemy jungler, but the context of the game didn't allow him to. Making statements without consideration of the context of the specific game is silly. Ion accurately pointed out that his team was losing badly, isn't it possible that forced him to alter his gameplay to more of a support/gank style gameplay? I was watching the game. I was merely trying to point out that it wasnt the case where 1 person was ganking alone. Both were ganking. And altering your gameplay in that sense IS a mistake when you are playing the wrong hero. You wouldnt play Leblanc and just afk farm mid, for example. There isn't a lightswitch between "ganking - not ganking" there's a certain amount of time invested into not farming and junglers are in control of that. You can gank a lot, a moderate amount, a little bit, and your farm will change accordingly.
T_D is right, he'll always be right (even when he's not), no sense in trying to telling him he isn't.
AL playing double assassin, fuck yeah, I love it. Hope it doesn't hit lategame.
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I'm confuse these comps are so weird.
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Froggen playing Lee mid. Curious to see as to how this will work out.
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On April 01 2012 04:42 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 04:38 Slayer91 wrote:On April 01 2012 04:34 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 01 2012 04:26 petered wrote:On April 01 2012 04:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If both Snoopeh AND whoever the al jungle is have kills and deaths, then they are both ganking. So your first point is moot.
And Mundo should have WELL more CS than a Maokai. No matter what. If you dont, then you are playing the champion INCREDIBLY wrong. Its basically the same as playing Lee Sin or Maokai and never ganking. You dont pick Mundo to gank. You pick him to double the cs of the enemy jungle.
Thats why Im saying you dont know how mundo works. Because you dont. And neither does this AL dude. The bolded statement is straight up wrong. You can't look at kills/deaths and cs and make reasonable conclusions about how they played the champ. He probably wanted to be constantly clearing and double the cs of the enemy jungler, but the context of the game didn't allow him to. Making statements without consideration of the context of the specific game is silly. Ion accurately pointed out that his team was losing badly, isn't it possible that forced him to alter his gameplay to more of a support/gank style gameplay? I was watching the game. I was merely trying to point out that it wasnt the case where 1 person was ganking alone. Both were ganking. And altering your gameplay in that sense IS a mistake when you are playing the wrong hero. You wouldnt play Leblanc and just afk farm mid, for example. There isn't a lightswitch between "ganking - not ganking" there's a certain amount of time invested into not farming and junglers are in control of that. You can gank a lot, a moderate amount, a little bit, and your farm will change accordingly. Of course. But throwing away mundo's farming ability early to try to offset maokai just seems foolish to me. Mao is gonna gank better than you. IMO the best thing you can do is just carry a farm advantage into midgame and win there. I mean, we did see him eventually pull away in cs by taking advantage of his clearing, but he could have done that SO much sooner and possibly be in a position to turn game around by being unkillable.
Maybe watch Malunoo's stream before judging him like that.
He plays tons of Mundo.
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On April 01 2012 04:43 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 04:38 Slayer91 wrote:On April 01 2012 04:34 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 01 2012 04:26 petered wrote:On April 01 2012 04:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If both Snoopeh AND whoever the al jungle is have kills and deaths, then they are both ganking. So your first point is moot.
And Mundo should have WELL more CS than a Maokai. No matter what. If you dont, then you are playing the champion INCREDIBLY wrong. Its basically the same as playing Lee Sin or Maokai and never ganking. You dont pick Mundo to gank. You pick him to double the cs of the enemy jungle.
Thats why Im saying you dont know how mundo works. Because you dont. And neither does this AL dude. The bolded statement is straight up wrong. You can't look at kills/deaths and cs and make reasonable conclusions about how they played the champ. He probably wanted to be constantly clearing and double the cs of the enemy jungler, but the context of the game didn't allow him to. Making statements without consideration of the context of the specific game is silly. Ion accurately pointed out that his team was losing badly, isn't it possible that forced him to alter his gameplay to more of a support/gank style gameplay? I was watching the game. I was merely trying to point out that it wasnt the case where 1 person was ganking alone. Both were ganking. And altering your gameplay in that sense IS a mistake when you are playing the wrong hero. You wouldnt play Leblanc and just afk farm mid, for example. There isn't a lightswitch between "ganking - not ganking" there's a certain amount of time invested into not farming and junglers are in control of that. You can gank a lot, a moderate amount, a little bit, and your farm will change accordingly. T_D is right, he'll always be right (even when he's not), no sense in trying to telling him he isn't. AL playing double assassin, fuck yeah, I love it. Hope it doesn't hit lategame.
I like how you post that right beneath the post where I acknowledge his point.
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On April 01 2012 04:42 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 04:38 Slayer91 wrote:On April 01 2012 04:34 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 01 2012 04:26 petered wrote:On April 01 2012 04:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If both Snoopeh AND whoever the al jungle is have kills and deaths, then they are both ganking. So your first point is moot.
And Mundo should have WELL more CS than a Maokai. No matter what. If you dont, then you are playing the champion INCREDIBLY wrong. Its basically the same as playing Lee Sin or Maokai and never ganking. You dont pick Mundo to gank. You pick him to double the cs of the enemy jungle.
Thats why Im saying you dont know how mundo works. Because you dont. And neither does this AL dude. The bolded statement is straight up wrong. You can't look at kills/deaths and cs and make reasonable conclusions about how they played the champ. He probably wanted to be constantly clearing and double the cs of the enemy jungler, but the context of the game didn't allow him to. Making statements without consideration of the context of the specific game is silly. Ion accurately pointed out that his team was losing badly, isn't it possible that forced him to alter his gameplay to more of a support/gank style gameplay? I was watching the game. I was merely trying to point out that it wasnt the case where 1 person was ganking alone. Both were ganking. And altering your gameplay in that sense IS a mistake when you are playing the wrong hero. You wouldnt play Leblanc and just afk farm mid, for example. There isn't a lightswitch between "ganking - not ganking" there's a certain amount of time invested into not farming and junglers are in control of that. You can gank a lot, a moderate amount, a little bit, and your farm will change accordingly. Of course. But throwing away mundo's farming ability early to try to offset maokai just seems foolish to me. Mao is gonna gank better than you. IMO the best thing you can do is just carry a farm advantage into midgame and win there. I mean, we did see him eventually pull away in cs by taking advantage of his clearing, but he could have done that SO much sooner and possibly be in a position to turn game around by being unkillable.
It's not a matter of offsetting the other jungler. If certain lanes need help and malunoo decides to spend lots of time there well so be it. He caught up in farm later so it's the same as not farming as much after the first 10 minutes which is what most junglers do with oracles. You can argue he could have invested most of that time in farming better, but it's situational to say the least. If you could change a lane to snowball in the opposite direction but lose 30 cs early well it's probably worth it.
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Malunoo is a really great jungler and T_D is absurd and overreactive to call him terrible after one game where the entirety of AL were on the backfoot.
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On April 01 2012 04:45 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 04:43 Zdrastochye wrote:On April 01 2012 04:38 Slayer91 wrote:On April 01 2012 04:34 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 01 2012 04:26 petered wrote:On April 01 2012 04:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If both Snoopeh AND whoever the al jungle is have kills and deaths, then they are both ganking. So your first point is moot.
And Mundo should have WELL more CS than a Maokai. No matter what. If you dont, then you are playing the champion INCREDIBLY wrong. Its basically the same as playing Lee Sin or Maokai and never ganking. You dont pick Mundo to gank. You pick him to double the cs of the enemy jungle.
Thats why Im saying you dont know how mundo works. Because you dont. And neither does this AL dude. The bolded statement is straight up wrong. You can't look at kills/deaths and cs and make reasonable conclusions about how they played the champ. He probably wanted to be constantly clearing and double the cs of the enemy jungler, but the context of the game didn't allow him to. Making statements without consideration of the context of the specific game is silly. Ion accurately pointed out that his team was losing badly, isn't it possible that forced him to alter his gameplay to more of a support/gank style gameplay? I was watching the game. I was merely trying to point out that it wasnt the case where 1 person was ganking alone. Both were ganking. And altering your gameplay in that sense IS a mistake when you are playing the wrong hero. You wouldnt play Leblanc and just afk farm mid, for example. There isn't a lightswitch between "ganking - not ganking" there's a certain amount of time invested into not farming and junglers are in control of that. You can gank a lot, a moderate amount, a little bit, and your farm will change accordingly. T_D is right, he'll always be right (even when he's not), no sense in trying to telling him he isn't. AL playing double assassin, fuck yeah, I love it. Hope it doesn't hit lategame. I like how you post that right beneath the post where I acknowledge his point.
"of course, but" isn't listening to anything. But whatever I'm not gonna get in a flame war about this, lets jsut agree to disagree and you can continue never being wrong.
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So does anyone know much about Havoc24?
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On April 01 2012 04:50 Craton wrote:
So does anyone know much about Havoc24?
Apparantly he's an old friend of yeollowpete, most played champs are urgot, janna and sona.
Bot seems to work out for them so far
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Akali building Phage. Huh.
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On April 01 2012 04:53 ManyCookies wrote:
Akali building Phage. Huh.
My guess would be trinity. FM just doesnt make a lot of sense.
Although TBH trinity doesnt make a WHOLE lot of sense as a first pickup either.
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