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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 14 2012 01:28 Two_DoWn wrote: There are realistically only 4 roles in LoL Tanky dps, Support, Ranged Ad, and Caster. Thats it. You have it all wrong the four roles are Feeder, Troll, Ragequitter and Primadonna. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
x: Damage: High ------ Low y: Survivability (or tankiness, if you want): High -------- Low z: Utility: Offensive -------- None ---------- Defensive Things that fall under high damage, low survival, and no utility are "assassin" types, like Yi or Talon or Akali. Low damage, high survival, offensive utility would be Alistar, while defensive utility would be like, Taric (shield, armor, steroid). On January 14 2012 01:37 spinesheath wrote: Make that ranged DPS and Burst (of indefinite type) instead of Ranged AD and Caster. Else you're going to have trouble with the likes of Cassiopeia and Talon. Then where do you put Xin and Yi, who aren't innately tanky (aside from Xin's meh ult), but aren't bursty or ranged? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 14 2012 01:37 spinesheath wrote: Make that ranged DPS and Burst (of indefinite type) instead of Ranged AD and Caster. Else you're going to have trouble with the likes of Cassiopeia and Talon. Both are casters. The reason I chose not to split it that way is because realistically ranged ad play a very different role in the game from a sustained damage caster, while sustained casters are much closer to traditional casters. And Xin and Yi are tanky dps. It isnt my fault if everyone fucks up and builds them improperly. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 14 2012 01:46 Two_DoWn wrote: Both are casters. The reason I chose not to split it that way is because realistically ranged ad play a very different role in the game from a sustained damage caster, while sustained casters are much closer to traditional casters. And Xin and Yi are tanky dps. It isnt my fault if everyone fucks up and builds them improperly. Ah, I wasn't aware we were going off builds, I thought we were talking specifically about skillsets. In that case, I agree with you. Edit: Actually, take Yi off that, I always forget about his defense boost/heal thing. I never play him or see him in games. Xin's passive and ult technically give him tankiness, but it's about as noticable as a rejuv bead at 18. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 14 2012 01:59 Requizen wrote: Ah, I wasn't aware we were going off builds, I thought we were talking specifically about skillsets. In that case, I agree with you. Well, you have to think about both. Yi and Xin's kit point them in the direction of being tanky dps, simply because they have gap closers and enjoy hitting you in the face from right in front of you. And then if you look at how you want to build them optimally: enough health and resists to stay alive throughout the fight with 1, MAYBE 2 actual damage items. Thats a tanky dps mindset for both cases. And if it wanst clear for anyone when I made the ranged ad/caster distinction: Ranged ad can kill towers, casters and sustained casters cant. That is enough differentiation for a separation of the roles. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
And just rolling people. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 13 2012 21:27 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Since most of us play this game casually, I'd say having fun is more important than anything else. Play what's fun for you. I cringe when people ask what champions they should play in ranked to raise their elo. This, picking the champ you enjoy the most will raise your elo, not a good champ you might not enjoy. On January 13 2012 21:31 turdburgler wrote: ye aoe stun plus target stun on 5 sec cd, so much worse than other tanks. how is that worse than rammus's 1 target taunt and hard to use once already engaged stun? That's why I added the part that bruisers can pretty much do the same. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:21 Alaric wrote: And using power augment... He did get his blue as well as opposing blue which helps. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On January 14 2012 01:28 Two_DoWn wrote: There are realistically only 4 roles in LoL Tanky dps, Support, Ranged Ad, and Caster. Thats it. That's simplification. Where do i put Yi or Rammus ? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:23 Noocta wrote: That's simplification. Where do i put Yi or Rammus ? We already talked about Yi as tanky-dps, and T_D's logic is sound in that regard. Rammus is Support, if we're going off his list. He's an offensive support since his damage is low, but CC (Powerball and Taunt), survival, and mobility put him there. His job is to support the team by getting in, disrupting the enemy, and CCing a specific target. I'm more interested as to where Talon goes. You could consider him tanky-dps as he sort of builds that way and has an invis for avoiding(reducing) damage, but he's more of an AD caster in his skillset. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:26 Requizen wrote: We already talked about Yi as tanky-dps, and T_D's logic is sound in that regard. Rammus is Support, if we're going off his list. He's an offensive support since his damage is low, but CC (Powerball and Taunt), survival, and mobility put him there. His job is to support the team by getting in, disrupting the enemy, and CCing a specific target. I think people are too obsessed with putting certain champions in very specific "roles". | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:27 wei2coolman wrote: I think people are too obsessed with putting certain champions in very specific "roles". People need something to talk about besides gp5 items and crit runes. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:30 Sandster wrote: People need something to talk about besides gp5 items and crit runes. Basically. I'm bored, the discussion is interesting and mostly non-confrontational. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 14 2012 01:28 Two_DoWn wrote: There are realistically only 4 roles in LoL Tanky dps, Support, Ranged Ad, and Caster. Thats it. IMO: Carry, Support, Initiator, Ganker/Anti-Carry Going by the player's "role" in teamfights, this is somewhat more informative, because, for example "Caster" doesn't really tell you exactly what they're supposed to do in a fight. There are casters like Leblanc that are supposed to insta-burst high value targets (Anti-Carry), there are casters that have high-value initiating spells that get shit started (Annie), there are casters that having defensive/supportive mid-lategame teamfighting roles (Zilean), and there are casters that just do fked damage to everyone (Carry). | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:34 mordek wrote: The urge to ask about AD runes vs ArmorPen is incredible at the moment. And how Last Whisper works. Asking about that without having done a search should be bannable IMO. | ||
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