EPT[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 197
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:51 JackDino wrote: Your definitions are based on what items champs buy which is just wrong, most bruisers can build like a fighter and lots of fighters can build like a bruiser and get away with it. Then there's also AD mages like pantheon and Talon. Rammus perfectly fits into the bruiser category, you can build him like one, he'll be tanky(lol W) and he'll do shittons of dmg. Heck he can assassinate carries if he's not the one initiating(which he is amazing at). Also saying yi is a fighter and not a bruiser is weird, you can build atmogs on yi which is a bruiser build and he'll do fine, the definitions are just weird/champs roles overlap. A character role is tied to what he builds. If you build an AP Tristana, you're suddenly a mage, if you build Yi atmog, he's in the role of a bruiser. ( fuck atmog btw, stupidiest thing to ever happen in this game ) You can't take a character kit and say " he's that and only that ". But a character has often a way to build it which is the better. Take Riven as an example, lot of people like to try the bruiser way, but she's still better off as a fighter. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote: OK, and depending on their skew towards one of those three things, they play as a support, anti-carry, or carry. Utiliy-heavy casters play like supports. Burst-heavy casters play like anti-carries. Sustained damage casters play like carries. Again, why are they all lumped together? I still think classing Cassi as a carry, Morgana as a support, and Leblanc as an anti-carry is more informative than calling them all "casters" just because they all happen to cast a lot of spells. Regardless of how we classify things, there won't be neat categories just because the game is too dynamic. Champions can do different roles (and fill multiple roles at the same time) simply based on the team comp on both sides in a given game, which affect how they build. Champions can build: pure damage (AD or AP), mostly damage, mixed, mostly defensive (with stuff like a Wit's End), pure tank, or support/aura. Of course people will build differently game to game, but some champions always build similar items regardless of team comps; those are the roles most easily defined and generally most straightforward champions. Champions with more diverse build paths can fill multiple roles, and it leads to questions like what a Warmog Cassio is. I'm actually ok with the "bruiser" or "fighter" category because, chances are, you're supposed to build tanky and get up in someone's face, whether that means you start fights with (Shurelia/Flash) Nimbus->Whirlwind in the heart of their team, or you just run around Parlay'ing people and slowing them down. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:59 TheYango wrote: They're carries. This is really not that hard. Carry - my role is to kill anyone/everyone I can Anti-carry - my role is to kill a specific target on the enemy team Support - my role is to protect my teammates Initiator - my role is to get the fight started, then do whatever I just feel "Initiator" is too specific of a role, though. Galio initiates, yes, but he also does good AoE damage and harasses AP away by running at them and shrugging off damage. Skarner initiates, but then he also can focus down a target quickly. In fact, most "Initiators" are just "Anti-carries" with a strong opening move, in your definition. They do their opener, then focus the most dangerous target to death. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 14 2012 03:03 Requizen wrote: I just feel "Initiator" is too specific of a role, though. Galio initiates, yes, but he also does good AoE damage and harasses AP away by running at them and shrugging off damage. Skarner initiates, but then he also can focus down a target quickly. In fact, most "Initiators" are just "Anti-carries" with a strong opening move, in your definition. They do their opener, then focus the most dangerous target to death. This is true, I only really included it as a category because of the existence of a few heroes in Riot's roster for whom their initiation simply far outshines every other part of their kit, and can therefore role-wise only really be looked at as "Initiators" (e.g. Amumu, Malphite). | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:59 TheYango wrote: They're carries. This is really not that hard. Carry - my role is to kill anyone/everyone I can Anti-carry - my role is to kill a specific target on the enemy team Support - my role is to protect/set up my teammates Initiator - my role is to get the fight started, then do whatever I like this a lot more than the bruiser/fighter/whatever shit, except that the anti-carry can also be a carry. | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On January 13 2012 14:03 hasuprotoss wrote: Found this out from Nhat's stream: help for the color blind is coming next patch! http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/new-color-palettes-available-colorblind-players Apparently the top left picture is what color blind people currently see, top right is what's already in the game and the bottom is what's coming in the next patch. Even though I'm not color blind I'll probably still be using the new pallete. Blue looks really sharp. Thank god lol I feel so dumb when I click on my own minion >_< | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On January 14 2012 03:16 Senx wrote: Initiator kinda blends into all of the roles, so wouldn't put that as a seperate one. i agree initiator seems to boil down to 1 spell rather than a characters whole kit. ashes arrow makes her one, but she isnt a tank like most initiators are. rammus's powerball is another but he is a tank On January 14 2012 03:12 JackDino wrote: I like this a lot more than the bruiser/fighter/whatever shit, except that the anti-carry can also be a carry. imo anti carry and carry cannot be the same thing, you are confusing anti carry with having a lot of damage. vayne may blow people up but she isnt an anti carry, because its sustained damage and thus keeping herself alive is more important than the enemy - when you value yourself above your target you are not an anti carry, leblanc on the other hand just needs to kill the carry then can die or hide or whatever, her job is done most of the time. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
On January 14 2012 03:33 57 Corvette wrote: Why does any of this matter? Some people have an obsessive compulsive desire to categorize everything, you nerdy human you. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 14 2012 03:21 Requizen wrote: I think there needs to be a "disruptor" type classification. Like, Singed. He's not the damage dealer, he can't initiate unless he gets a lucky Fling, but his job is to get in and make the enemy get caught out of position. Amumu does this, as does Leona. I guess it's a sub-type of "Tank", however you want to take that. Offensive support. | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 14 2012 03:33 57 Corvette wrote: Why does any of this matter? Because doing work at work is boring. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
That said, I'm pretty sure the only category that truly matters is the "Es #1" category. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23463 Posts
Dyrus is always like in carry mindset and he plays singed all the time? You think he's being a support? The reason you get so tanky on singed is so you can run straight to their squishies and poison them all. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On January 14 2012 03:33 57 Corvette wrote: Why does any of this matter? It doesn't. People keep trying to split champs into non-disparate roles and then claim they can only be one or the other. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 14 2012 04:00 Slayer91 wrote: Have any of you guys played singed recently? He does insane damage to squishies, much like other tanky dps, but not a lot to bruisers. Dyrus is always like in carry mindset and he plays singed all the time? You think he's being a support? The reason you get so tanky on singed is so you can run straight to their squishies and poison them all. No one can really kill you 1v1 so you can even just push a lane as singed, if 1 comes to stop you you just kill them or ignore them, if more come to stop you your team can push or win a teamfight, take baron or w/e the heck they want. If no one comes, as long as your team doesn't get caught you just derp around in their base and kill all minions. Don't even need to kill their squishies. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 13 2012 17:00 deskscaress wrote: lol leona is like one of the best champs in the game imo has she gotten any buffs or nerfs since her release? i feel like she's the epitome of a balanced and awesome champ that truly relies on skill rather than herp derp spellvamp resourceless derp herp 15 dashes kinda shit they've been releasing Unfortunately balanced mean's she's underpowered compared to the other overpowered champions. It's fun to win games. She's halfway down the list in W/L ratio and under just about all the supports save karma. http://www.riot5.com/main/index/champions On the plus side she's above quite a few tanks. | ||
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