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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On January 13 2012 19:14 Shiragaku wrote: Yeah...but something about Anivia seems lost. I remember the gold old days when Anivia just one shotted everyone. She still can in the right hands. Just need superb team movement to utilize her fully. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 13 2012 19:24 RogerX wrote: Get the 5 pick ice team, Anivia E. GG. Doesn't work, only works with her own snares. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On January 13 2012 19:25 JackDino wrote: Doesn't work, only works with her own snares. Seriously? Eh, still a good team comp, a really hard skillshot is easier to hit with dat slow  Jungle alistar is my flavor of the month atm, its really fun and provides easy ganks even if you don't know how to utilize your W and Q combo. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On January 13 2012 19:27 RogerX wrote: Seriously? Eh, still a good team comp, a really hard skillshot is easier to hit with dat slow Jungle alistar is my flavor of the month atm, its really fun and provides easy ganks even if you don't know how to utilize your W and Q combo. Our jungler is still trying to get the hang of that combo, but so far hes just pulling HotShotGGs left n right. Even casting it in the wrong order, wich is especially hilarious in ganks. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
About Viktor, I felt strongest when on a double AP comp (notably jungling fiddle) as the more "support-ish" of the two mages: his W and R give control of the battlefield because people will want to avoid it. You can stack them to set up an AoE combo with your team but you can also use them to redirect the enemy team (possibly cut paths if they position badly or you've got Gravity, but he loses so much on pushing power if you don't buy Death it's disheartening  ).He won't provide neither the biggest burst nor the most overall damage (except if the other AP gets blown up before a second round of spells and you're on clean up duty). Top I'd just rather get Swain I think. Viktor's got no sustain pre-WotA, and he is actually easily punished by champs with gapclosers: you have to drop W on top of you if you don't want them to just dash through it, and then the effective "zoning" period is reduced. It's better than Nevermove/Decrepify/Rune prison against ganks, but against an aggressive laner looking to trade or just bash you, you have to stay much closer to the turret than Swain/Ryze. He's more easily trashed. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
He was the only one decent teamfighting player on the team tho. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
adfest, oddone damn you. | ||
Redox
Germany24794 Posts
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/36276-SKLoL_confirm_their_lineup_for_IEM_Kiev Ocelote, Nyph, Candy Panda, SR Kev1n, SleazyWeazy Kev1n seems to be confirmed as new fix solo top for the team. SleazyWeazy maybe only fillin for this tournament. Probably because Aranae, the Jungler they played with the last weeks, is still contracted with MYM. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On January 13 2012 18:54 Shiragaku wrote: Haters gonna hate on mah Leona. But sadly, it seems like everything Leona does, Alistar does better, especially with dat ult. Since most of us play this game casually, I'd say having fun is more important than anything else. Play what's fun for you. I cringe when people ask what champions they should play in ranked to raise their elo. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On January 13 2012 18:03 JackDino wrote: Leona can tank just fine, if you get farm you can build tanky cdr and initiate perfectly fine, and completely lock down someone. That's not what a support does. It's just that she's bad in a sololane. Amumu isn't a tank, all he has is his ult, when that's on cd he can bandage once every ~10? seconds and just run around crying. The things your tanks do can be done by a lot of bruisers aswell. ye aoe stun plus target stun on 5 sec cd, so much worse than other tanks. how is that worse than rammus's 1 target taunt and hard to use once already engaged stun? | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On January 13 2012 17:59 wei2coolman wrote: She's one of the funnest champions to play. Yeah, as someone who plays a lot of support, I find Leona v.fun/rewarding - her kit has a nice flow to it w/the staggering of Sunlight procs, being able to judge where to land a good ult for initiation/counterinitation, and the visual design/lore fluff syncs up nicely. I used to play a lot of Alistar, and while they have reasonable similarities (esp shiny shiny Matador Alistar), it's nice to not have to pray that you get a proper Headbutt=>Pulv-at-point-of-Headbutt-impact on New Zealand latency, heh. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On January 13 2012 17:24 JackDino wrote: Just curious, what exactly is your definition of a tank? A tank has two things he has to do. Be able to take damage, and force the enemy to acknowledge your presence in the team fight (in most cases this is phasing or peeling). This is why champions like warmog boots gp blows in team fights, because even though he has hp, no one gives a shit because he doesn't do anything, and can just be left to the end to kill. This is why maokai is good early and mid game, but falls off to ignorable late game, but someone like cho can have very little items and not be ignored. Leona gets some bonus armor/mr, and has 3 stuns, but not much damage on them, and a passive that requires someone else to hit the target to do extra damage. For leona it would be best to be on a target that someone else is killing, or a target that needs to be peeled, which is essentially always the job of the support. Leona attacks the target the ad carry is on, and peels anyone that is on the ad carry, maximizing leona and the ad carries damage. That is essentially the entire purpose of a support. Compare this to someone like nocturne, who dives onto someone, and then with his free ad, and 3000+ hp can solo almost anyone. He also has a fear, and a shield (anti peel skill). This is why some "tanks" can build straight tank, and other needs to build a tanky ad build (rammus, nocturne). Rammus doesn't need any ad or ap items to deal hundreds of damage a second, and amumu doesn't build ap/ad for the same reason (though amumu isn't nearly as good at this job compared to rammus). It's easy to see why some champions make good tanks, while some make iffy tanks in some games (malphite and warwick are good examples of champions that are very common tanks, yet sometimes are underwhelming while other times play their role well). | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
if you build 3 tank items, boots, rod of ages and a deathcap on amumu you have about 300 ap. thats + 300 dmg on q, 300 aoe dmg on r, 5% of peoples TOTAL health per second around you. and if they are dumb enough to hit you e comes off cd quickly with a 0.5 ratio for decent bonus dmg. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On January 13 2012 21:48 turdburgler wrote: but if you classify a tank as anyone who takes damage away from the squishy carry amumu is 1 of the best, with reverie and FH you have 40% cdr which means a stun every 5 seconds, i dont think any other tank can match that for annoying. plus due to his retardedly high ratios he is doing TONS OF DAMAGE without even making a triforce if you build 3 tank items, boots, rod of ages and a deathcap on amumu you have about 300 ap. thats + 300 dmg on q, 300 aoe dmg on r, 5% of peoples TOTAL health per second around you. and if they are dumb enough to hit you e comes off cd quickly with a 0.5 ratio for decent bonus dmg. I'm just saying tank is a vague term. Its not really a role rather there are various roles that fulfill the requirement of being a tank i.e. Soaking damage. | ||
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