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[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 191
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
But then I was like no. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 13 2012 15:03 Cloud9157 wrote: Or maybe its because Viktor actually isn't all that good? He does NOTHING better than any other mid. More burst? lolannie. More range? Cassio+Brand disagree. CC? Kennen and Swain have better CC than him. The main issue (for me) is his garbage range overall. Q is a really nice skill, except the missile speed is too slow. Enemy mid will be able to damage you before it returns to give you shield. My other problem is his passive. Don't get me wrong, it was a nice idea and all, but it will hurt him come late game. I would rather have another DC or a Void Staff than any of his augments. Viktor also gets a lane pushed on him super hard. All he has to clear a lane is E, and if you constantly use it, you will run out of mana. So his laning sucks imo, his mid is alright, and his late gets hurt because augments take up a spot. The one thing I can admit is that if Viktor does manage to land W for the stun, opponent will be taking a lot of damage. E+R will drain so many champs. His ult is the one thing that saves him from being awful to me. I play a lot of xerath, and I think Viktor has a few advantages. -Clearing power is much better, one E clears it all easily, xerath has to get pretty fat to do that. -Better autoattack, one of the best in the game -More consistent damage output, Xerath burst is amazing, but Viktor lazer outdamages normal Q spam in poke wars -More utility and safety in W, it can block an entire team from jumping you -ult is better in teamfights -mobility while casting (you can cast lazer while kiting) Xerath is amazing but he's more of a few target burst whereas Viktor is more of a team player, viktor severely punishes being initiated on in a way that Xerath doesn't. Obviously Xerath is better sniper and single target with better burst range, I still have no idea why pros arent all over him. Mana is fine also just get 2 Drings and no problem, same as Xerath | ||
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
1) Give him an extra item slot and give his passive a small nerf. It's a complete joke that his passive doesn't give him 7 item slots. 2) Make the missile speed on his Q faster and have the shield appear instantly after he hits his target. Most likely his early game numbers will need to be changed (to something like 20,25,30,35,40% shield per level) The fact that his passive is actually a hinderance at later stages of the game is idiotic as I feel having a high tier item is better than his passive. I would much rather have an hourglass or WoTA or something later on in the game over any of his passives. I would nerf his passive and make it be a 7th item slot or something. I also feel that his Q doesn't really serve the purpose it should. It should theoretically allow him to favorably trade in lane, making him a pretty big beast during the laning phase. Right now the missile speed is so slow that he will almost always take damage before he gets his shield. His kit doesn't seem too terrible, but I just don't understand what riot was going for. I don't really see what role he plays as I don't think he's tanky enough to effectively use his ult and I don't he has enough burst damage or range to be played as a squishy, high AP champ. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On January 13 2012 15:11 Craton wrote: I still don't understand how Xerath continues to be so underplayed. He's just not satisfying enough to play. The effects and graphics from his abilities are lackluster and those things actually have a huge impact on how fun a character Is. Like the satisfying sound when nid's spear hits its target, panth spear, yi running around with his ulti melting everything, swain laserbird, cass E spam etc | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
"Doublelift, you are like a fountain of stupidity. The stupidity never ends." | ||
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Craton
United States17264 Posts
On January 13 2012 13:57 sethrakill wrote: TeamLiquiders: Last december I announced that I was going to be running a tournament with the purpose of promoting the amatuer 5v5 scene. Recently Riot has cntacted me with the good news that they are willing on contributing the following prizes, if I meet a registered teams stipulation. 1st place: $15 RP + Triumphant Ryze + Champion Skin Bundle (whatever the next release will be) per player 2nd place: $15 RP 3rd place: $10 RP 4th place: $5 RP per player Once again I'd like to announce that I am accepting teams to register at sethrakill@gmail.com. The tournament is a 32 team single elimination tournament each round played as a best of three, the rosters will be 3 permanent members with up to 4 subs. I am using http://sites.google.com/site/leagueopen/ as the location for team pages, brackets and rules. Thank you It's a shame how troublesome it is to find 4 people at a skill level similar to your own with personalities you mesh with and availability to play with any regularity. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 13 2012 15:32 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: He's just not satisfying enough to play. The effects and graphics from his abilities are lackluster and those things actually have a huge impact on how fun a character Is. Like the satisfying sound when nid's spear hits its target, panth spear, yi running around with his ulti melting everything, swain laserbird, cass E spam etc Xerath's ult is pretty fun :3 | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 13 2012 15:39 Two_DoWn wrote: Have I mentioned recently that I love saintivicious? "Doublelift, you are like a fountain of stupidity. The stupidity never ends." That's that retarded Doublelift decisionmaking we were JUST talking about. | ||
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whatsupchan
United States61 Posts
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
This week so far ive been getting free wins vs all the viktors mid, hes just too easy to counter. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Norada
China482 Posts
On January 13 2012 13:57 sethrakill wrote: TeamLiquiders: Last december I announced that I was going to be running a tournament with the purpose of promoting the amatuer 5v5 scene. Recently Riot has cntacted me with the good news that they are willing on contributing the following prizes, if I meet a registered teams stipulation. 1st place: $15 RP + Triumphant Ryze + Champion Skin Bundle (whatever the next release will be) per player 2nd place: $15 RP 3rd place: $10 RP 4th place: $5 RP per player Once again I'd like to announce that I am accepting teams to register at sethrakill@gmail.com. The tournament is a 32 team single elimination tournament each round played as a best of three, the rosters will be 3 permanent members with up to 4 subs. I am using http://sites.google.com/site/leagueopen/ as the location for team pages, brackets and rules. Thank you if any 1800+ team is looking for a support player id be interested in playing. play during aussie hours though | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 13 2012 16:34 JackDino wrote: Anyone know how long the Lunar skins will be avaible? I checked riot's site but couldnt'find any date on the lunar event page. They are not limited. Buy them whenever you want. | ||
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Attakijing
United States693 Posts
for another example of what i am talking about look at leona. there is literally nothing interesting about her whatsoever. her passive maybe but it is literally a copy of lux's passive right down to the "light" effect. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 13 2012 16:50 Attakijing wrote: op or up, viktor is awful because he is one of the shittiest character designs in a long while. his moves have absolutely zero synergy. his W E R and hexcore are just 4 ideas that riot wanted to test out, and instead of playtesting them they just put them in a champion and see who will buy him. Looking at the numbers it is really obvious that they were too scared to try to make him fill a new role and just made his E powerful with augment (.91 ap ratio) for another example of what i am talking about look at leona. there is literally nothing interesting about her whatsoever. her passive maybe but it is literally a copy of lux's passive right down to the "light" effect. Well, leona is a failure from a design standpoint because Riot doesnt understand what a "tank" is and what a "support" is. They assumed that if you threw a bunch of cc and that passive together you would get a tank. Instead we get a champion who is realistically anything but. Actually, new champ looks like Riot take 2 at trying to put a new tank in the game. Of course, they had to lift 3 abilities from another tank to do it, plus use a bastardized version of the best initiation in the game. We shall see if they actually learned anything or not. | ||
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deskscaress
United States399 Posts
has she gotten any buffs or nerfs since her release? i feel like she's the epitome of a balanced and awesome champ that truly relies on skill rather than herp derp spellvamp resourceless derp herp 15 dashes kinda shit they've been releasing | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 13 2012 16:56 Two_DoWn wrote: Well, leona is a failure from a design standpoint because Riot doesnt understand what a "tank" is and what a "support" is. They assumed that if you threw a bunch of cc and that passive together you would get a tank. Instead we get a champion who is realistically anything but. Actually, new champ looks like Riot take 2 at trying to put a new tank in the game. Of course, they had to lift 3 abilities from another tank to do it, plus use a bastardized version of the best initiation in the game. We shall see if they actually learned anything or not. There are no real tanks in this game, most tanks are somewhat of a support anyways. Btw, take a solo lane on leona, farm, build tanky cdr, run into the enemy team and stun whoever. You are now tanking.(This works for anyone, just build tanky and overextend, they all jump on you and your team kills them). | ||
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