EPT[Patch 1.0.0.129: Fizz] General Discussion - Page 18
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 16 2011 06:41 travis wrote: except i dont, I don't agree. I think RE is better almost always. what is the point of lvl 2 w again? I can see going W lvl 2 if im not starting blue.. but if im starting blue i simply want E to be able to run faster or gank at lvl 2/3 if there is some kind of weird great opportunity. I don't need w at lvl 2! Level 2 W allows you to clear at significantly higher health. And in the case of the new masteries, allows you to start boots+3pot and have enough HP to gank after a full clear. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
>rylai's 100% does not work with his w's passive nor it's active >rylai's is an awful item on him tbh, i'd rather have mallet if you need the slow/HP, but i'd rather RATHER have real damage items i think >i question the efficiency of an AP build when his W is so strong >at the same time, his W makes last-hitting under a tower a nightmare (if you "prep" a ranged creep like you would with any other champ with an auto, it will die due to the dot, but if you wait for a tower hit first, you the dot won't apply fast enough to kill the creep from 1 attack. CRISIS) so i think that pushing champs will be very strong against him >cuteness overload | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 16 2011 06:44 TheYango wrote: Level 2 W allows you to clear at significantly higher health. And in the case of the new masteries, allows you to start boots+3pot and have enough HP to gank after a full clear. haven't tried the new masteries, I could totally see that as for health issues before I never had any with cloth +5pot. like not even close to having any issues. but yeah i def like the concept of starting boots + 3pot | ||
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JewJewBees
United States87 Posts
On November 16 2011 06:41 travis wrote: I can see going W lvl 2 if im not starting blue.. but if im starting blue i simply want E to be able to run faster or gank at lvl 2/3 if there is some kind of weird great opportunity. I don't need w at lvl 2! i think the only time you might want to go bear at 2 is if you're doing the wolves->blue->their wraiths path and have to skill bear to get away otherwise not having turtle when you're doing red actually means you get pretty low, might have to end up going back after your first full clear if you wanted to gank at 2 or w/e then you might as well run tiger udyr | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Also no one answered my question earlier....someone mention a 7/1013 jungle masteries page. Would you want to take Greed and Def. mastery for the +gp/10? Or go for Vet scars and fewer points in Hardiness...? | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On November 16 2011 06:50 travis wrote: haven't tried the new masteries, I could totally see that as for health issues before I never had any with cloth +5pot. like not even close to having any issues. but yeah i def like the concept of starting boots + 3pot with w second you can really explore a lot more openings. I've seen dblade, longsword and boots openings and they clear fairly safely, but i'd imagine a lot hinges on that lvl 2 w (prob dblade in particular) | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 16 2011 06:52 JewJewBees wrote: i think the only time you might want to go bear at 2 is if you're doing the wolves->blue->their wraiths path and have to skill bear to get away otherwise not having turtle when you're doing red actually means you get pretty low, might have to end up going back after your first full clear if you wanted to gank at 2 or w/e then you might as well run tiger udyr i generally went back to get boots before i did red anyways i didn't see any sense in doing otherwise | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 16 2011 06:58 travis wrote: i generally went back to get boots before i did red anyways i didn't see any sense in doing otherwise Because doing a full clear with red allows you to buy and contest the enemy first red with double buff if they're a jungler that bluepills before doing red? If you take your red after your first clear, you miss that opportunity. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On November 16 2011 06:41 travis wrote: except i dont, I don't agree. I think RE is better almost always. what is the point of lvl 2 w again? I can see going W lvl 2 if im not starting blue.. but if im starting blue i simply want E to be able to run faster or gank at lvl 2/3 if there is some kind of weird great opportunity. I don't need w at lvl 2! I think the opposite lol. I take W at lvl2 because I open blue, and spamming W each time it's on cool down, allows you to do wolves/blue/their wraiths/(their golems if they gank)/wolves/wraiths/red/golem ah ah ah. Udyr on early blue is ridiculous in the jungle. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
With the new masteries I have no idea. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:13 Sandster wrote: Previously W at level 2 was highly recommended because of how squishy you are on wraiths/red without it. Meanwhile E is completely pointless unless you're ganking. Also, you could previously do full clear and immediately gank at level 4 with red without having to back. With the new masteries I have no idea. new masteries basically does the same thing | ||
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Kyhron
United States945 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:17 Frolossus wrote: new masteries basically does the same thing But you open boots +3 now? How does a wolves -> blue -> wraiths -> gols -> red look hp wise? Assuming 9/21/0 or 0/21/9. Don't have the opportunity to test this myself for a while. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:01 TheYango wrote: Because doing a full clear with red allows you to buy and contest the enemy first red with double buff if they're a jungler that bluepills before doing red? If you take your red after your first clear, you miss that opportunity. well now this is getting very situational.. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:13 Sandster wrote: Previously W at level 2 was highly recommended because of how squishy you are on wraiths/red without it. Meanwhile E is completely pointless unless you're ganking. Also, you could previously do full clear and immediately gank at level 4 with red without having to back. yeah except if I wanted to I can still do that just fine with e lvl 2 instead of w lvl 2. cloth + 5pot i could do red if I wanted and have nearly full life. and e isn't pointless.. you run faster. given that with blue u don't run out of mana i like running faster, I clear my jungle faster. none of this arguing is supposed to be saying "you guys are doing it wrong", im just saying I think some of you act like the best method is a little more clear than it really is. or maybe I just suck. but I really don't think that's the case. | ||
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OGKruemmel
Croatia270 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
udyr is about as faceroll as it gets, but you can fuck it up if you dont skill properly. guess thats where those squishy bad udyrs come from. | ||
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eNyoron
United States170 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
I wonder if Jatt will consider going back to his old Sapphire+2pot opening with the new masteries, Sheen isn't as good as wit's end, but you get it faster because you can build into it with an opening item(unless you want to start null mantle...). Could even give up a bit of the 2nd jungle clearing speed and go back to catalyst rush udyr, that way you have crazy mana sustain even after you give up your 2nd blue. | ||
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