On November 25 2011 15:04 LoCicero wrote:
Man, I have missed Windrunner so much. I've been massing WR games in dota2 lololol. Sorry LoL.
Man, I have missed Windrunner so much. I've been massing WR games in dota2 lololol. Sorry LoL.
I miss spectre
Forum Index > LoL General |
RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On November 25 2011 15:04 LoCicero wrote: Man, I have missed Windrunner so much. I've been massing WR games in dota2 lololol. Sorry LoL. I miss spectre | ||
taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On November 25 2011 15:17 Navi wrote: i think CLG handled the situation badly, if there was more real clear criticisms and how to improve - kind of effort put in (yes, they did say you suck elementz go practice more, but not detailed "you're lacking aggressive play at these stages, need to work on these comboes, stop playing overly aggressive at XYZ, etc." criticism that is more productive and clearer to the party being explained to the extent and depth of these flaws) then perhaps this wouldn't be as out of the blue as elementz seems to be making this seem. that being said, elementz has been the weakest link on CLG for a very long time, even jiji's "slump" doesn't prevent him from doing well. he just isn't as consistently farmed and never dying as he used to be. elementz as a solo was extremely underwhelming compared to chauster / jiji when he and hotshot primarily played bottom, and even recently when hotshot was playing support his tops were fairly lacking. if you watch him play, he'll take obvious good trades, but he gets baited more often than the other CLG members and is mechanically lacking in comparison (more missed skillshots, worse map awareness, bad decision making in comparison) which makes it such that he's weaker than hotshot in top, jiji and chauster in mid, and probably as an AD as well (missing cs hurts d00d). he got shuffled over into the support role for this reason, as we all remember his annie play at dreamhack, when he was in a high pressure situation he couldn't deliver and his confidence was crushed as a result. i think elementz, while probably not as egotistical as some of his teammates, is also having a couple of problems with seeing his play through rose-colored glasses. he views in retrospect his games with chauster as "never having lost lane, and having won sometimes." but when your AD carry is behind 20 cs and a kill or assist or two in the majority of games, that IS having lost lane. losing lane doesn't entail that chauster has to die, being behind on gold is obviously being behind, but if elementz can't view this in retrospect or at the time as a negative thing, that is in and of itself a big barrier to improvement. this game, like many others, means different things to different people. to newcomers and strangers to BW, they see an old game with old graphics about aliens. but to BW fans, we have a history of pros and a greater knowledge of what makes the game one of finesse. even to a BW fan, the selling and trading of players may be seen as a dick move, but the teams pay money to win. people may consider this a betrayal, but in the end to CLG winning is essential as a pro team. they haven't been getting the results that they believe they can get, and they are trying something to fix this. i don't believe they handled the first preliminary step or two correctly, but in the end i see their reasoning and agree with it. well put. also unfortunately a lot of people seemed to read Elementz's blog that he put out today and forget that it obviously is fairly biased and although his personal views may leave many feel like he was betrayed, they have to remember that being the best team possible should be CLG's goal. i just hope doublelift just plays his lane and follows calls, he plays the game extremely well only to go full retard multiple times a game which ended up costing curse quite a few matches, but if he can play his lane well like he does and listen to their calls he should be sick. | ||
emji
Canada82 Posts
On November 25 2011 15:04 LoCicero wrote: Man, I have missed Windrunner so much. I've been massing WR games in dota2 lololol. Sorry LoL. Loci, can you stream them DotA2 games? lol I find 95% of LoL streamers boring :< | ||
GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
On November 25 2011 15:23 taLbuk wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 25 2011 15:17 Navi wrote: i think CLG handled the situation badly, if there was more real clear criticisms and how to improve - kind of effort put in (yes, they did say you suck elementz go practice more, but not detailed "you're lacking aggressive play at these stages, need to work on these comboes, stop playing overly aggressive at XYZ, etc." criticism that is more productive and clearer to the party being explained to the extent and depth of these flaws) then perhaps this wouldn't be as out of the blue as elementz seems to be making this seem. that being said, elementz has been the weakest link on CLG for a very long time, even jiji's "slump" doesn't prevent him from doing well. he just isn't as consistently farmed and never dying as he used to be. elementz as a solo was extremely underwhelming compared to chauster / jiji when he and hotshot primarily played bottom, and even recently when hotshot was playing support his tops were fairly lacking. if you watch him play, he'll take obvious good trades, but he gets baited more often than the other CLG members and is mechanically lacking in comparison (more missed skillshots, worse map awareness, bad decision making in comparison) which makes it such that he's weaker than hotshot in top, jiji and chauster in mid, and probably as an AD as well (missing cs hurts d00d). he got shuffled over into the support role for this reason, as we all remember his annie play at dreamhack, when he was in a high pressure situation he couldn't deliver and his confidence was crushed as a result. i think elementz, while probably not as egotistical as some of his teammates, is also having a couple of problems with seeing his play through rose-colored glasses. he views in retrospect his games with chauster as "never having lost lane, and having won sometimes." but when your AD carry is behind 20 cs and a kill or assist or two in the majority of games, that IS having lost lane. losing lane doesn't entail that chauster has to die, being behind on gold is obviously being behind, but if elementz can't view this in retrospect or at the time as a negative thing, that is in and of itself a big barrier to improvement. this game, like many others, means different things to different people. to newcomers and strangers to BW, they see an old game with old graphics about aliens. but to BW fans, we have a history of pros and a greater knowledge of what makes the game one of finesse. even to a BW fan, the selling and trading of players may be seen as a dick move, but the teams pay money to win. people may consider this a betrayal, but in the end to CLG winning is essential as a pro team. they haven't been getting the results that they believe they can get, and they are trying something to fix this. i don't believe they handled the first preliminary step or two correctly, but in the end i see their reasoning and agree with it. well put. also unfortunately a lot of people seemed to read Elementz's blog that he put out today and forget that it obviously is fairly biased and although his personal views may leave many feel like he was betrayed, they have to remember that being the best team possible should be CLG's goal. i just hope doublelift just plays his lane and follows calls, he plays the game extremely well only to go full retard multiple times a game which ended up costing curse quite a few matches, but if he can play his lane well like he does and listen to their calls he should be sick. I feel like if they were just more mature about dealing with Elementz they could have ended up with a much better situation. Let Elementz know right away that you wanted to try out Doublelift, and that he and Doublelift would be splitting scrims for awhile. That way they could see how Chauster does on support, and what kind of chemistry they have with Doublelift. This would also motivate Elementz to work on his support and up his game. I don't really blame Elementz for not playing enough support, he was told that he was going to play top, and he was practicing the shit out of Yorick, Renekton, and Vayne. I think now CLG is stuck gambling that Chauster is going to be good at support (watching him today with missy doesn't give me much hope) and that Doublelift isn't going to continue being terrible at positioning and constant overextending. I honestly think that CLG has not gotten stronger by adding Doublelift. Maybe CLG should try mending some bridges, so they have a fallback in case the Doublelift experiment doesn't work out. | ||
SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On November 25 2011 15:51 GreenManalishi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2011 15:23 taLbuk wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 25 2011 15:17 Navi wrote: i think CLG handled the situation badly, if there was more real clear criticisms and how to improve - kind of effort put in (yes, they did say you suck elementz go practice more, but not detailed "you're lacking aggressive play at these stages, need to work on these comboes, stop playing overly aggressive at XYZ, etc." criticism that is more productive and clearer to the party being explained to the extent and depth of these flaws) then perhaps this wouldn't be as out of the blue as elementz seems to be making this seem. that being said, elementz has been the weakest link on CLG for a very long time, even jiji's "slump" doesn't prevent him from doing well. he just isn't as consistently farmed and never dying as he used to be. elementz as a solo was extremely underwhelming compared to chauster / jiji when he and hotshot primarily played bottom, and even recently when hotshot was playing support his tops were fairly lacking. if you watch him play, he'll take obvious good trades, but he gets baited more often than the other CLG members and is mechanically lacking in comparison (more missed skillshots, worse map awareness, bad decision making in comparison) which makes it such that he's weaker than hotshot in top, jiji and chauster in mid, and probably as an AD as well (missing cs hurts d00d). he got shuffled over into the support role for this reason, as we all remember his annie play at dreamhack, when he was in a high pressure situation he couldn't deliver and his confidence was crushed as a result. i think elementz, while probably not as egotistical as some of his teammates, is also having a couple of problems with seeing his play through rose-colored glasses. he views in retrospect his games with chauster as "never having lost lane, and having won sometimes." but when your AD carry is behind 20 cs and a kill or assist or two in the majority of games, that IS having lost lane. losing lane doesn't entail that chauster has to die, being behind on gold is obviously being behind, but if elementz can't view this in retrospect or at the time as a negative thing, that is in and of itself a big barrier to improvement. this game, like many others, means different things to different people. to newcomers and strangers to BW, they see an old game with old graphics about aliens. but to BW fans, we have a history of pros and a greater knowledge of what makes the game one of finesse. even to a BW fan, the selling and trading of players may be seen as a dick move, but the teams pay money to win. people may consider this a betrayal, but in the end to CLG winning is essential as a pro team. they haven't been getting the results that they believe they can get, and they are trying something to fix this. i don't believe they handled the first preliminary step or two correctly, but in the end i see their reasoning and agree with it. well put. also unfortunately a lot of people seemed to read Elementz's blog that he put out today and forget that it obviously is fairly biased and although his personal views may leave many feel like he was betrayed, they have to remember that being the best team possible should be CLG's goal. i just hope doublelift just plays his lane and follows calls, he plays the game extremely well only to go full retard multiple times a game which ended up costing curse quite a few matches, but if he can play his lane well like he does and listen to their calls he should be sick. I feel like if they were just more mature about dealing with Elementz they could have ended up with a much better situation. Let Elementz know right away that you wanted to try out Doublelift, and that he and Doublelift would be splitting scrims for awhile. That way they could see how Chauster does on support, and what kind of chemistry they have with Doublelift. This would also motivate Elementz to work on his support and up his game. I don't really blame Elementz for not playing enough support, he was told that he was going to play top, and he was practicing the shit out of Yorick, Renekton, and Vayne. I think now CLG is stuck gambling that Chauster is going to be good at support (watching him today with missy doesn't give me much hope) and that Doublelift isn't going to continue being terrible at positioning and constant overextending. I honestly think that CLG has not gotten stronger by adding Doublelift. Maybe CLG should try mending some bridges, so they have a fallback in case the Doublelift experiment doesn't work out. I bet they are secretly going to sign loci. | ||
locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
| ||
![]()
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On November 25 2011 15:09 LoCicero wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2011 15:06 dnastyx wrote: On November 25 2011 15:04 LoCicero wrote: Man, I have missed Windrunner so much. I've been massing WR games in dota2 lololol. Sorry LoL. LoCi come carry me in DOTA 2 :3 Sure, what's your steam? (PM me) Can I play with you too? | ||
nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
| ||
![]()
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 25 2011 16:05 locodoco wrote: any1 a fan of intotherain? as in the former starcraft player? edit: On November 25 2011 16:23 nyxnyxnyx wrote: wait wtf startale is an actual pro team? yes | ||
locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
On November 25 2011 16:23 infinitestory wrote: as in the former starcraft player? edit: Show nested quote + On November 25 2011 16:23 nyxnyxnyx wrote: wait wtf startale is an actual pro team? yes yes the han bang toss mig intotherain is actually the real deal he buys us lunch every wensday :D | ||
De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On November 25 2011 16:23 infinitestory wrote: as in the former starcraft player? edit: Show nested quote + On November 25 2011 16:23 nyxnyxnyx wrote: wait wtf startale is an actual pro team? yes ryu was on my team in soloq today. i tell him to first pick me soraka and i carry his ass gg. | ||
nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
TIL he is actually supposed to be good | ||
locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
On November 25 2011 16:42 nyxnyxnyx wrote: startale joker was rly bad when i met him once in solo q TIL he is actually supposed to be good every1 from startale comes from chaos(a korean dota clone) they been playing lol for 2 months i dont know why u think thier suppose to be good | ||
Nehsb
United States380 Posts
| ||
nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
| ||
Happy Frog
Australia490 Posts
Can't find the source though. Wish I was better at maths. | ||
![]()
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 25 2011 17:31 Happy Frog wrote: Doublelift has started using flat AD reds on AD carries, supposedly because Sydtko mathcrafted that they were better than Arp (post mastery change?). Can't find the source though. Wish I was better at maths. Ok, I figured I'd check this out. Let's say Cait vs Cait as an example, and compare autoattack strengths. I'll assume Arpen quints for now, and that the enemy will run Armor yellows. Boots/3 start. Basically, the most useful AD runes could possibly be. AD: 50 (+3) Arpen: Assuming 3 Sunder, 16 + 10% Opponent Armor: 25.69 (+3.5) 9 AD reds = 8.55 AD gives an autoattack damage of 52.33 at level 1 9 Arp reds = 14.94 Arp gives an autoattack damage of 50.80 at level 1 Not a huge difference, but yes at level 1 AD reds are better. Now let's say we're level 9 with a BF sword. The Arp outperforms the AD by 3.2 per autoattack. I'm sticking with my Arpen. | ||
SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
| ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On November 25 2011 16:05 locodoco wrote: any1 a fan of intotherain? I'm a huge fan, he was probably my favorite toss from back in the day. | ||
Niton
United States2395 Posts
| ||
| ||
![]() StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War Dota 2 League of Legends Counter-Strike Super Smash Bros Other Games summit1g15433 shahzam724 C9.Mang0409 WinterStarcraft276 Beastyqt271 ViBE237 Maynarde148 NeuroSwarm110 JuggernautJason71 Organizations Other Games StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War
StarCraft 2 • Hupsaiya StarCraft: Brood War![]() • practicex ![]() • AfreecaTV YouTube • intothetv ![]() • Kozan • IndyKCrew ![]() • LaughNgamezSOOP • Migwel ![]() • sooper7s League of Legends Other Games |
Afreeca Starleague
Snow vs Rain
Wardi Open
Afreeca Starleague
Soulkey vs Rush
Kung Fu Cup
PiGosaur Monday
GSL Code S
Cure vs sOs
Reynor vs Solar
GSL Code S
Maru vs TriGGeR
Rogue vs NightMare
The PondCast
CranKy Ducklings
SC Evo League
[ Show More ] Chat StarLeague
PassionCraft
Circuito Brasileiro de…
Sparkling Tuna Cup
Chat StarLeague
Circuito Brasileiro de…
|
|