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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
November 25 2011 13:40 GMT
#2281
On November 25 2011 22:37 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 22:35 Woony wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:26 Alaric wrote:
We need a new AP mid FOTM. When will I see you again, Morgana?


I have no idea why you would ever ban morg over some bs like Kass and Sion in soloqueue. I mean she's a very solid and good pick but there are champs that are so much more dumb.

Usually Morgana Kass and Sion are banned. Especially since we have 6 bans.

But Morgana is at least as good as Sion.


I'd still ban shit like Riven and Graves over Morg. Like I think on a overall level, Morg is probably even better than Sion, but Sion is just so abusive in soloqueue.
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
November 25 2011 13:43 GMT
#2282
I usually ban Kassadin-Morgana-Riven (unless I get first pick because I play Morgana ^^). I'm not quite sure who the candidates are atm, I still see Akali getting banned almost always tho I don't really feel she's such a big problem for teams who know what they'r doing and arent 80% squishy. Fizz get's banned quite a bit which I guess I understand, but what else? I rather dislike playing against good Fiddles but is he banworthy?
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 13:47:54
November 25 2011 13:44 GMT
#2283
Morgana is nearly impossible to mess up or gank for the first half of the game and is strong for the entire game so you have to ban her if you want to maximize your chance of carrying the game.
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
November 25 2011 13:47 GMT
#2284
Yea I agree on Morgana, she's just incredibly solid; almost impossible to gank early on and after that basically all her abilities become such a threat, she really is a first-pick first-ban for me, up there with Kassadin simply because when he snowballs there's almost no way to stop him if your team's not fantastically coordinated and full of hard CC.
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 25 2011 13:48 GMT
#2285
Morg, kass, sion, riven, skarner, rammus, graves, sometimes yorick. Common bans at 1650-1700 ELO'ish for me. Lee sin doesn't get banned that much anymore, though he is often picked, but i find other champions more annoying.
hi
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
November 25 2011 14:06 GMT
#2286
Xerath is a very strong ap that has flown under the rader for a few weeks. level qeqwqr R>Q>W>E, and just siege up and one shot squishies.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
November 25 2011 14:42 GMT
#2287
Fuck me is Karthus fun. You're farming in the middle, fight happens bottom, your ally dies. Ulti, grab 2 kills. GRIN IN MA FACE.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 25 2011 14:44 GMT
#2288
On November 25 2011 23:06 Sabin010 wrote:
Xerath is a very strong ap that has flown under the rader for a few weeks. level qeqwqr R>Q>W>E, and just siege up and one shot squishies.



I don't see him played often in solo Q compared to arranged. But those who do play him, just pewpewpew their way to victory.
hi
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
November 25 2011 14:54 GMT
#2289
On November 25 2011 22:35 Woony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 22:26 Alaric wrote:
We need a new AP mid FOTM. When will I see you again, Morgana?


I have no idea why you would ever ban morg over some bs like Kass and Sion in soloqueue. I mean she's a very solid and good pick but there are champs that are so much more dumb.

I was thinking of buying kassadin next so I went over to read the Kassadin tread. Mostly what I gathered from the discussion was that Kassadin's early game is horrible and its tough to get to a point vs a good opponent (cs wise) to make him work. Has that changed? How good is kassadin atm?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
November 25 2011 15:07 GMT
#2290
On November 25 2011 23:54 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 22:35 Woony wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:26 Alaric wrote:
We need a new AP mid FOTM. When will I see you again, Morgana?


I have no idea why you would ever ban morg over some bs like Kass and Sion in soloqueue. I mean she's a very solid and good pick but there are champs that are so much more dumb.

I was thinking of buying kassadin next so I went over to read the Kassadin tread. Mostly what I gathered from the discussion was that Kassadin's early game is horrible and its tough to get to a point vs a good opponent (cs wise) to make him work. Has that changed? How good is kassadin atm?


His levels 1-5 can be very rough, you are usually laning against AP, and you have to get up there and melee minons while being very squishy....it sucks. The second you get level 6 though the entire gameplan changes and Kass become crazy strong.

you will make it to level 6 though, so its just a rough patch really, its not like you're going to get totally shutdown.

Get a very early gank or poke and it helps a ton, even if it just reduces their health.

goodness wise, Kassadin is a strong situational pick in high level play, he just shits on some characters and is tier 1 for sure IMO.

Solo queue he is even better as people don't usually have to coordination to send their ad mid against him or switch lanes/pressure him early. He crushes solo.
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h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 15:09:05
November 25 2011 15:08 GMT
#2291
I always ban xerath. Mainly because his aoe is way wider than the animation makes it out to be and that is really annoying. I don't care much about bans usually, since unorganized teams can't make proper use of them anyway, but xerath is just so annyoing :D.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 25 2011 15:13 GMT
#2292
On November 25 2011 22:44 rob.au wrote:
Morgana is nearly impossible to mess up or gank for the first half of the game and is strong for the entire game so you have to ban her if you want to maximize your chance of carrying the game.

For Morgana to have any kind of sustain she has to push her lane pretty damn hard, use that to your advantage.
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
November 25 2011 15:21 GMT
#2293
It's certainly doable, just very hard. Quite often on Morgana I kill the jungler comming to gank me, because a snare-pool-ignite-ult gives you a very good chance to kill a slightly lower level character (that might not even be full hp), and junglers rushing in often fail to dodge the Q. Combine that with spellshield to get away from the AP and you've got a very tough lady to gank, even when she pushes =) She's a ton of fun but I reckon either her ult needs to be taken down a peg or her ability to farm minions THAT easily could take a hit. I outCS people mid who seem to be way better then me, but i just plonk down a pool and it's stupidly easy from there on ^^
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 15:34:19
November 25 2011 15:33 GMT
#2294
On November 26 2011 00:07 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:54 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:35 Woony wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:26 Alaric wrote:
We need a new AP mid FOTM. When will I see you again, Morgana?


I have no idea why you would ever ban morg over some bs like Kass and Sion in soloqueue. I mean she's a very solid and good pick but there are champs that are so much more dumb.

I was thinking of buying kassadin next so I went over to read the Kassadin tread. Mostly what I gathered from the discussion was that Kassadin's early game is horrible and its tough to get to a point vs a good opponent (cs wise) to make him work. Has that changed? How good is kassadin atm?


His levels 1-5 can be very rough, you are usually laning against AP, and you have to get up there and melee minons while being very squishy....it sucks. The second you get level 6 though the entire gameplan changes and Kass become crazy strong.

you will make it to level 6 though, so its just a rough patch really, its not like you're going to get totally shutdown.

Get a very early gank or poke and it helps a ton, even if it just reduces their health.

goodness wise, Kassadin is a strong situational pick in high level play, he just shits on some characters and is tier 1 for sure IMO.

Solo queue he is even better as people don't usually have to coordination to send their ad mid against him or switch lanes/pressure him early. He crushes solo.


if kass is just going to get zoned and shit on pre 6 why do people insist on sending him solo mid then? he cant be any worse vs bruiser top?

On November 26 2011 00:13 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 22:44 rob.au wrote:
Morgana is nearly impossible to mess up or gank for the first half of the game and is strong for the entire game so you have to ban her if you want to maximize your chance of carrying the game.

For Morgana to have any kind of sustain she has to push her lane pretty damn hard, use that to your advantage.


unless shes letting you poke her without dealing any damage back this is true. but if she are hurting her she should be trading blows and getting you low, makes ganking much harder no?

she does have a habit of pushing i agree but i dont think its inevitable
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 25 2011 15:43 GMT
#2295
So I haven't really been visiting these forums lately, what are the main thoughts on the new Summoner spells? I'm still using the same ones I did before (Flash on everything, Tele on top lane, Exhaust on AD carry, Smite for jungle), but what are other people using?
It's your boy Guzma!
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 15:50:50
November 25 2011 15:47 GMT
#2296
On November 25 2011 23:54 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 22:35 Woony wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:26 Alaric wrote:
We need a new AP mid FOTM. When will I see you again, Morgana?


I have no idea why you would ever ban morg over some bs like Kass and Sion in soloqueue. I mean she's a very solid and good pick but there are champs that are so much more dumb.

I was thinking of buying kassadin next so I went over to read the Kassadin tread. Mostly what I gathered from the discussion was that Kassadin's early game is horrible and its tough to get to a point vs a good opponent (cs wise) to make him work. Has that changed? How good is kassadin atm?


He is fucking retarded in soloqueue. I'm like 22-2 with him (1700 elo). You can counter him if you send an AD carry vs. him. The thing is NOBODY does that in soloqueue, especially at lower ELOs. Playing AP vs. Kass has to be the dumbest thing in the game, you sort of have an advantage at early levels but he can get by and once he has level 7 and blue he jumps on you and takes 40% of your HP in one combo and there is NOTHING you can do against it because he comes out of no where and silences you for forever. The other thing is that Kass is the best cleanup hero in the game and most of the time soloqueue team fights will be a mess of people running around/away so it's REALLY easy to pick up kills and if your team has even the tiniest advantage Kass will pick up on it and carry his team to victory.


On November 26 2011 00:43 Requizen wrote:
So I haven't really been visiting these forums lately, what are the main thoughts on the new Summoner spells? I'm still using the same ones I did before (Flash on everything, Tele on top lane, Exhaust on AD carry, Smite for jungle), but what are other people using?


Cleanse is now a viable option for a lot of champs (ad carries, certain melees) other than that not a whole lot changed. Well CV is pretty bad now and running Flash/Heal is probably better. (Heal pretty gud now)
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
November 25 2011 15:53 GMT
#2297
The new attack masteries have made me play a much more passive game, and I have been using ghost more, and only commiting to fights I know well enough we're going to win.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 25 2011 16:05 GMT
#2298
On November 26 2011 00:33 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 00:07 sob3k wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:54 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:35 Woony wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:26 Alaric wrote:
We need a new AP mid FOTM. When will I see you again, Morgana?


I have no idea why you would ever ban morg over some bs like Kass and Sion in soloqueue. I mean she's a very solid and good pick but there are champs that are so much more dumb.

I was thinking of buying kassadin next so I went over to read the Kassadin tread. Mostly what I gathered from the discussion was that Kassadin's early game is horrible and its tough to get to a point vs a good opponent (cs wise) to make him work. Has that changed? How good is kassadin atm?


His levels 1-5 can be very rough, you are usually laning against AP, and you have to get up there and melee minons while being very squishy....it sucks. The second you get level 6 though the entire gameplan changes and Kass become crazy strong.

you will make it to level 6 though, so its just a rough patch really, its not like you're going to get totally shutdown.

Get a very early gank or poke and it helps a ton, even if it just reduces their health.

goodness wise, Kassadin is a strong situational pick in high level play, he just shits on some characters and is tier 1 for sure IMO.

Solo queue he is even better as people don't usually have to coordination to send their ad mid against him or switch lanes/pressure him early. He crushes solo.


if kass is just going to get zoned and shit on pre 6 why do people insist on sending him solo mid then? he cant be any worse vs bruiser top?

Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 00:13 Hynda wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:44 rob.au wrote:
Morgana is nearly impossible to mess up or gank for the first half of the game and is strong for the entire game so you have to ban her if you want to maximize your chance of carrying the game.

For Morgana to have any kind of sustain she has to push her lane pretty damn hard, use that to your advantage.


unless shes letting you poke her without dealing any damage back this is true. but if she are hurting her she should be trading blows and getting you low, makes ganking much harder no?

she does have a habit of pushing i agree but i dont think its inevitable


play kass the taiwan way

flat hp5 quints

start regrowth pendant+pot -> philo

no more problems pre6 ezpz
cool beans
lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
November 25 2011 16:07 GMT
#2299
On November 25 2011 14:59 Ryalnos wrote:
Wow, I hope I remember never to go to GD again. Real bad.

Ya, I just went there for like the 3rd time in 2 years to see what people were talking about, and I think I lost a little bit more faith in humanity after just a little 5-10mins trip.

I guess I'll stick to TL LoL subforum...
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 16:15:23
November 25 2011 16:13 GMT
#2300
On November 26 2011 00:13 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 22:44 rob.au wrote:
Morgana is nearly impossible to mess up or gank for the first half of the game and is strong for the entire game so you have to ban her if you want to maximize your chance of carrying the game.

For Morgana to have any kind of sustain she has to push her lane pretty damn hard, use that to your advantage.

It doesn't really matter. Walk up > w > walk back. E for any ganks. If she has wards than she can stick around.

On November 25 2011 22:40 Woony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 22:37 mr_tolkien wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:35 Woony wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:26 Alaric wrote:
We need a new AP mid FOTM. When will I see you again, Morgana?


I have no idea why you would ever ban morg over some bs like Kass and Sion in soloqueue. I mean she's a very solid and good pick but there are champs that are so much more dumb.

Usually Morgana Kass and Sion are banned. Especially since we have 6 bans.

But Morgana is at least as good as Sion.


I'd still ban shit like Riven and Graves over Morg. Like I think on a overall level, Morg is probably even better than Sion, but Sion is just so abusive in soloqueue.

Main reason I ban morg is because solo queue are too dumb to deal with her, rather than her being super strong. Riot does need to nerf her passive spellvamp, though.
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