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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
November 09 2011 20:30 GMT
#2601
T_D I like getting more dodge on my Renekton in the form of Ninja tabi, but then in the later stages when peoples cc scales up to its longest levels I tend to sell my Ninja Tabi and buy mercury treads. Ninja tabi is only 500 gold from boots one so I can get a faster anything else while still being able to have tenacity when I need it in the later stages of the game.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 20:42:30
November 09 2011 20:40 GMT
#2602
Tabi + some Tenacity item is pretty solid on a bunch of top laners.
If you get boots other than Mercs or Tabi you often don't get Tenacity at all and instead go staight for QSS if you need something against CC.

Partly because you don't even need the Tenacity, partly because you can't delay your big items by relatively weak dead end mid tier items.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
benefluence
Profile Joined January 2010
United States158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 20:45:18
November 09 2011 20:40 GMT
#2603
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/release-notes-v100115
Fixed a bug where a capped Leviathan was reducing true damage

according to the lol wiki, no form of damage mitigation mitigates true damage (poppy passive, alistar ult, etc.). True damage that is part of an auto attack will not apply if the attack is evaded or blocked by Panth's passive, and Kayle's ult blocks all damage, including true damage.

edit: I type way too slow
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 09 2011 20:45 GMT
#2604
I actually think cloak and dagger is the best item out of the tenacity items. It's stats aren't abysmal for the cost and they scale well off each other. IMO it's a great item for anyone with an AD steroid or who gets IE early.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
November 09 2011 20:51 GMT
#2605
On November 10 2011 05:45 STS17 wrote:
I actually think cloak and dagger is the best item out of the tenacity items. It's stats aren't abysmal for the cost and they scale well off each other. IMO it's a great item for anyone with an AD steroid or who gets IE early.

For me it depends on the role. If I'm playing a ranged Cloak and Dagger is better but id still get Mercs on a melee since theres a higher chance youll get cced as a melee and the tenacity will help more then say the ranged thats in theory thats getting cced at a range so the less tenacity would be alright?
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 09 2011 20:52 GMT
#2606
On November 10 2011 05:45 STS17 wrote:
I actually think cloak and dagger is the best item out of the tenacity items. It's stats aren't abysmal for the cost and they scale well off each other. IMO it's a great item for anyone with an AD steroid or who gets IE early.


its too similar to zeal imo, i kinda wish it had a bit different stats
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 09 2011 20:53 GMT
#2607
On November 10 2011 05:45 STS17 wrote:
I actually think cloak and dagger is the best item out of the tenacity items. It's stats aren't abysmal for the cost and they scale well off each other. IMO it's a great item for anyone with an AD steroid or who gets IE early.


The biggest thing about ad carries is that if you're eating cc in the first place you're probably dead. You need to QSS and flash away or just not get caught in the first place. Tenacity won't save you so there's really no point in buying it.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 09 2011 20:55 GMT
#2608
On November 10 2011 05:52 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 05:45 STS17 wrote:
I actually think cloak and dagger is the best item out of the tenacity items. It's stats aren't abysmal for the cost and they scale well off each other. IMO it's a great item for anyone with an AD steroid or who gets IE early.


its too similar to zeal imo, i kinda wish it had a bit different stats

That's the good part, you can get it on someone like trynd and not lose out that much.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 09 2011 21:00 GMT
#2609
Just got an IP boost for 14 days with no reason whatsoever on EU oO

No Riot mail, not anything... It's activated for 14 days... Is there a special occasion ?
The legend of Darien lives on
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 09 2011 21:01 GMT
#2610
On November 10 2011 05:55 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 05:52 barbsq wrote:
On November 10 2011 05:45 STS17 wrote:
I actually think cloak and dagger is the best item out of the tenacity items. It's stats aren't abysmal for the cost and they scale well off each other. IMO it's a great item for anyone with an AD steroid or who gets IE early.


its too similar to zeal imo, i kinda wish it had a bit different stats

That's the good part, you can get it on someone like trynd and not lose out that much.


but it doesnt build into pdancer. so you're eventually gonna sell it for zeal, to replace 5% crit and tenacity for movespeed and the ability to make it a better item. dunno, at first glance it seems more worth it to just get mercs or qss, which also shore up your mres, which is typically a weak point for ppl who would like c&d.
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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 21:10:24
November 09 2011 21:08 GMT
#2611
IMO Miracle should combine with Aegis to make an OP aura tenacity item. So the support can get me my tenacity and I can use both slots for something more useful. Like a madreds blood razer, and a 2nd gardian angel.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 09 2011 21:13 GMT
#2612
On November 10 2011 05:18 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 04:51 Mogwai wrote:
On November 10 2011 04:46 MoonBear wrote:
On November 10 2011 03:59 Alzadar wrote:
How true is true damage? Are true damage spells affected at all by things like Exhaust, Urgot's passive, Poppy's passive, Alistar ultimate, stacked Leviathan, etc?

And on the topic of Poppy's passive, is it calculated before or after resistances?

  • Leviathan will lower true damage taken as it blocks all forms of damage instead of providing mitigation.
  • Urgot's passive was fixed to not affect true damage.
  • Alistar Ultimate will not block true damage as it provides mitigation stats, not damage blocking.
  • Spell shields will block any spell that has a true damage component so will block the damage.
  • Exhaust will not lower the true damage component of any spell damage, but will lower the rest of the damage.
  • Poppy's passive should not block true damage.
  • Kayle Ult and Panth Passive blocks all form of damage and so will block True Damage.

Re Poppy's Passive: Afaik it is based on actual damage dealt and not pre-mitigation damage, so armour and resistances are taken into account first. Her passive also only applies to the component of the damage that exceeds 10% of her current health. So it doesn't apply to the entire attack, only the part that does more damage than the 10% threshold.

You are 100% wrong on Pantheon passive =\. Also, I have no idea why Leviathan would block when Ali and Poppy wouldn't. Are you sure on all these cases MoonBear.

Just tested it. Panth passive will block the physical component of an autoattack but not the true damage component. Seems a little odd... Will check with QA on this. Not sure if oversight or just unclear wording.

My apologies on mentioning Leviathan as blocking True Damage. As USnip pointed out correctly, was patched over.

Re Mercs: Whenever you get Tabi I guess? HSGG sometimes goes Tabi Cho and then Moonflair or Eleisa. The current non-boots Tenacity items aren't very good though. Design is thinking of allowing you to upgrade them into something else further but no concrete plans.

Pantheon's Passive blocks the physical component of an auto attack and nothing more. It has always functioned this way and has always pissed me off . Seems sucky that I can block Ashe's frost shot and still get slowed by 35%. Should function identically to dodge IMO, blocking all on-hit aspects of the attack in question.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 09 2011 21:23 GMT
#2613
maybe if you were a more manly spartan you could...
twitch.tv/cratonz
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 09 2011 21:30 GMT
#2614
On November 10 2011 06:23 Craton wrote:
maybe if you were a more manly spartan you could...

I think the true answer is that if you wore less clothes you could.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
November 09 2011 21:35 GMT
#2615
6000 people watching HSGG set up his desktop.....lol
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 09 2011 21:42 GMT
#2616
On November 10 2011 06:35 Koenig99 wrote:
6000 people watching HSGG set up his desktop.....lol

wtf whats that thing hes using it looks tite
:)
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
November 09 2011 21:55 GMT
#2617
It's Rainmeter, using the Enigma suit.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 21:58:12
November 09 2011 21:57 GMT
#2618
zzz... spend 2 hrs trying to download pbe only to have it fail at 99% now my normal launcher is patching up the game. don't know if they're related but i'm never going through the trouble again for that (2 hr for just being stuck at 99%)
BW -> League -> CSGO
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 09 2011 22:03 GMT
#2619
A lot of item problems (especially tenacity alternatives) suffer from having no build paths. You could turn some of the worst items into some of the best with just a bigger thing to build into. Look at haunting guise, eleisa's miracle, cloak and dagger, moonflair spellblade, hexdrinker and even soul shroud to a lesser extend. They're all great midgame items, but they're completely worthless the longer the game goes on. Riot tries to argue that they're ok because they give an immediate boost of strength in the midgame, yet they're almost never used because everyone realizes it's almost always better to just work toward a big item. You give them a build path into a stronger item and suddenly they'll get used all the time.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 09 2011 22:07 GMT
#2620
Hexdrinker's a lot better than most people give it credit for.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
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