[Patch 1.0.0.128: Shyvana] General Discussion - Page 129

On November 10 2011 03:59 Alzadar wrote:
How true is true damage? Are true damage spells affected at all by things like Exhaust, Urgot's passive, Poppy's passive, Alistar ultimate, stacked Leviathan, etc?

And on the topic of Poppy's passive, is it calculated before or after resistances?

On November 10 2011 04:00 Slayer91 wrote:
IE is very underrated on EZ. It's not like you never auto attack. IE vastly vastly increases your ability to burst down bruisers when you arcane shift away and have 5 stacks of passive. BT is nice if you don't have wriggles as it helps you in the poke war though, so I can see the argument. I'd almost definitely say IE is better if you already have lifesteal, though.

On November 10 2011 04:01 TheYango wrote:

True damage ignores all % damage reductions, not just armor/MR.

On November 10 2011 04:02 Requizen wrote:

BT would still be better, IMO. Straight AD on it is higher, which effects Q and R, where your damage is coming from. The crit (and crit % passive) only effects your autos. And the lifesteal actually makes you a monster 1v1er against some champs.

On November 10 2011 03:55 Slayer91 wrote:


I never see any sucessful Yi players. All the yi players I do see go wriggles/berserkers (seriously lol)/ghostblade-->more damage shit like triforce, ie etc).

I don't understand your post. You just explained to me your version of glass cannon yi and then told me its fine without any justification. You are putting yourself in the position to be attacked by every member their team in teamfights as a melee if you want to do damage. Every other sustained damage melee in the game except tryndamere (who has his ultimate) builds lots of tank items due to this. What makes yi different? Why do you insist on building so much damage so fast when in terms of 1v1 potential it doesn't help that much because you rape ad carries with either tank items or damage items and ap carries will 1 combo you with squishy builds. You end up doing MORE damage when you have enough survivability to go for squishies without worrying about getting instant killed.

And i'm not saying split pushing isn't effective. I'm saying split pushing with that yi build isn't all that amazing since most bruisers can stop you pushing because hybrid builds are way more efficient for 1v1ing than pure damage builds and generally all you need to do it hold tower. Being squishy and having lots of damage is great for killing towers before solo queue teams can react but I'm saying I'd prefer to be tankier that the risk of getting 1 combo'd and giving free baron is much less. A typical solo top with teleport is actually generally more effective at split pushing because he's insanely hard to kill but can also TP to fights whereas smite flash yi can't really do that.

On November 10 2011 03:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
Bloodrazor proc is 4%. That means in order to take 1 extra bar of health the opponent needs to have 2500 health- and thats with no mr. To take 2 bars it takes 5000 health. And NO ONE gets 5000 health. So basically what you are seeing is the ad reflected in the sheen and scaling, NOT the madreds proc. And to make that q and sheen proc bigger, what do you need? Thats right, damage.

On November 10 2011 04:18 gtrsrs wrote:


you're kidding in this post, right, two_downs?

On November 10 2011 04:24 Two_DoWn wrote:

eh, you know what I meant. 1 bar is not a big enough visual feedback when someone has 25 to demonstrate tons of damage coming from a madreds, so if you actually do notice a chunk coming when you hit someone, it is from other sources which scale from damage (his q) or LW (his q and sheen proc).

On November 10 2011 04:16 Juicyfruit wrote:
Let's be fair though, SV is crazy. Don't imitate his build unless you plan on imitating his craziness.

On November 10 2011 03:16 Kyhron wrote:

I usually dont get MBR on Ez unless the other team starts building alot of health into the 3k plus range of health. Obviously LW is a better choice but saying that MBR isnt good because of MR while ignoring the champs that get large amounts of health without getting MR or when someone gets an Atmogs and no MR item doesnt disprove it

On November 10 2011 03:38 Kyhron wrote:

Like I said lets leave it at agreeing to disagree. Ill play my way you play yours and theres less arguing

On November 10 2011 04:32 dnastyx wrote:


You don't get it. The scenario you pointed out will almost never happen, so it's not useful for thinking about the effectiveness of the item.

I didn't say that bloodrazor was bad because of MR. You picked what is literally the worst edge case for when you should buy bloodrazor: Tanks on the enemy didn't build any MR, your AP carry is failing mid...

TIME TO BUILD BLOODRAZOR! At that point you probably lost the game if the other team is that ahead, so it doesn't really matter what you build.

As for your point about the Atmogs/no MR thing, it's been addressed already.



But apparently you're not interested in actually discussing by merits, so you decide to cop out and leave.

Dude.We're not trying to bash on you here. (Well, that last sentence was kind of a dig at you I guess?) We're trying to have a real discussion, and your points have basically been 1) well here's a worst case scenario and 2) anecdotes.

The plural of anecdotes still isn't data.

On November 10 2011 03:59 Alzadar wrote:
How true is true damage? Are true damage spells affected at all by things like Exhaust, Urgot's passive, Poppy's passive, Alistar ultimate, stacked Leviathan, etc?

And on the topic of Poppy's passive, is it calculated before or after resistances?