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Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
November 10 2011 00:39 GMT
#2641
On November 10 2011 09:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
In your opinion, who are the hardest champions to play effectively and in general?


Evelyn, because she just sucks

eh I don't really think there are any reallllly hard champs, but there are certainly ones where there is a massive difference between great play and just proficiency. TF is pretty hard now to do well with, but thats mostly just because he was overnerfed pretty hard. Nidalee has a pretty tricky skillset to really master, Leesin and Vayne are also very hard to play optimally. Karma is also odd.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 00:44:56
November 10 2011 00:44 GMT
#2642
Disregarding champions that just plain suck, normal karthus (not tp/revive) is pretty hard to play optimally. You basically have to have amazing positioning/awareness/game sense to tell when you can go in to teamfights, since you have no mobility at all but have to get in range to do damage.

Anivia is also similar, but she has the benefit of her longer range.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
November 10 2011 00:46 GMT
#2643
On November 10 2011 09:39 Cloud9157 wrote:
Apparently lane phase ends even though there are 0 towers down.

And my team wouldn't ward for me to tele, so oh well. We lost dragon twice? Try warding next time.

Coulda tele'd to minions/tower, but Irelia should be in the middle of a fight from the time it starts. People so dumb. =\


Use http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220361 to vent rage. I do. Often
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 10 2011 00:59 GMT
#2644
id say the hardest is Cassiopeia because learning her range is the hard part
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 10 2011 00:59 GMT
#2645
Is it just me, or do instapops result in losses a lot more frequently than normal q times. I always seem to lose instapops or whenever someone dodges, then the q pops fast again.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 10 2011 01:17 GMT
#2646
On November 10 2011 08:35 rigwarl wrote:
Haunting Guise is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G vs targets with over 50 MR. However, the stats are most likely going to be wasted vs at least half of your targets.


Guise is garbage just stats for gold, not to mention the slot cost.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 10 2011 01:20 GMT
#2647
Guise is "ok", there are just a lot of better items for cost and slot. :X

They really need to have Guise build into something bigger.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 01:37:50
November 10 2011 01:23 GMT
#2648
1k value on the hp and ap, rest is the magic pen. that's wildly inefficient, 20 magic pen is not worth 500 gold no matter how you cut it. Even if you don't consider 1:1 pen and resist values a fair method of computation compare it to brutalizer, which has 15 resistance reduction for 45 gold.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
November 10 2011 01:36 GMT
#2649
On November 10 2011 10:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
Guise is "ok", there are just a lot of better items for cost and slot. :X

They really need to have Guise build into something bigger.


This is how I feel with almost every intermediate item. I want to want to build them, but they just aren't good enough.
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wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
November 10 2011 01:37 GMT
#2650
On November 10 2011 09:15 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 08:41 Kenpachi wrote:
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Yordle_Stompers
jesus christ, these boots would have been ridiculously op lol

Would have been more OP if they made it into an ability so you could use different boots and have Flash as well. wait....

it's just like blink dagger or pk in dota/hon. theres nothing wrong with it since flash didn't exist before hand o.o
BW -> League -> CSGO
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 10 2011 01:40 GMT
#2651
lolol neo laying down the law, i like it

salce wins the most attractive guy prize on sotl dam
:)
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
November 10 2011 01:41 GMT
#2652
On November 10 2011 10:37 wussleeQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:15 Requizen wrote:
On November 10 2011 08:41 Kenpachi wrote:
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Yordle_Stompers
jesus christ, these boots would have been ridiculously op lol

Would have been more OP if they made it into an ability so you could use different boots and have Flash as well. wait....

it's just like blink dagger or pk in dota/hon. theres nothing wrong with it since flash didn't exist before hand o.o


Blink dagger has the taken damage clause which is awesome, but yeah probably would have been weird cause everyone would buy these instead of merc treads .. so cc reduction gots to come from somewhere else.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
November 10 2011 01:45 GMT
#2653
On November 10 2011 09:44 Hakker wrote:
Disregarding champions that just plain suck, normal karthus (not tp/revive) is pretty hard to play optimally. You basically have to have amazing positioning/awareness/game sense to tell when you can go in to teamfights, since you have no mobility at all but have to get in range to do damage.

Anivia is also similar, but she has the benefit of her longer range.



I find annivia to be harder. Her wall is unforgiving, she has a harder time w/o blue, the stun flies really slowly, and you have to explode it just at the right time to maximize damage output.

With Karthus I find I am most of the time (without revive and teleport ) just ignoring defensive stats, getting stupid amounts of ap, and in teamfights just turning my aura on, running into the middle and spamming away, using my ult after death. Yeah I will die, but I will deal a ridiculous amount of damage before and after. Of course I don't die on purpose just for the sake of it, but when I know I will deal enough damage to be worth it I will do it.

Karthus is not easy though, but he cant screw over your own team with a poorly placed wall.

freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
November 10 2011 01:53 GMT
#2654
lol im watching loci's stream

opposing team's summoner 1 picks pantheon
2 sec later
message from voyboy:
hey what masteries to pantheon

then loci just gave legit answers while brutally counterpicking him with armor malphite + advising own jungler to get rammus lol
And all is illuminated.
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
November 10 2011 01:53 GMT
#2655
Should I buy rivens or lee sin?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 10 2011 02:09 GMT
#2656
On November 10 2011 10:53 HeroHenry wrote:
Should I buy rivens or lee sin?

They're both really strong. Lee sin is harder to learn to imo
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 02:16:31
November 10 2011 02:16 GMT
#2657
Both characters take quite a bit of skill to play properly and both are very different. It really depends on if you want to be a jungler (Lee Sin's role 90% of the time) or a top lane bamf. I am a pretty big Riven player and she carries really hard late game which is why I play her ranked quite a bit. Lee Sin can do the same but I believe the Jungler is more team-dependent. I suggest watch some Replays of voyboy or westrice playing riven and some replays of an awesome lee sin and see which style suits your playstyle more.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 02:42:53
November 10 2011 02:40 GMT
#2658
Ehh, I shoulda thought of using the Letting off Steam thread, my bad.

Anyway, I've been thinking of getting Kennen. Hes not too good apparently (little to no use and I don't think too many pros like him, and he isn't very high on any tier lists iirc).

Is he still viable enough to keep up with guys like Brand/Cass?

Edit: Just saw he was mid tier 2 on Elementz list. Not too bad.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 10 2011 02:43 GMT
#2659
I love kennen. He fits in every team, lanes like a boss, carries like a boss, and if you are good, you WILL win games.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
November 10 2011 02:46 GMT
#2660
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1465383

From the sounds of it, the new champ will have an hourglass ability and the ability to tag people with fish so they get eaten by a shark. I hope they make unique death animations for this so that the body is just gone when the shark gets the kill, but it's probably too much work.
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