On March 31 2016 21:40 ThomasjServo wrote: Has anyone seen Zagara go for Nydus in game now? I tried it out while grinding out dailies but the channel time to get into a nydus is long and interruptible.
Faye from Cognitive was using it the other day and liked it. Useful with a battle momentum build for spamming abilities and split pushing and quickly refilling mana, but you can't rely on nydus as an escape once you are engaged on. You have to push and anticipate the rotation and leave before it gets there so it takes really good mini map awareness of where all the opponents are. Chu8 also tried it on the PTR with success using a baneling spam build, but PTR is such a random experience in skill level and comps that it's hard to judge anything by success there. I haven't had a chance to try it myself yet.
Has to be, otherwise you would just destroy forts with abathur together, once you hit level 10. You exit instantly though its awesome. Don't remove a creep tumor in your retreat pass. Guess you will have to get past a full health Zagara on your retreat. Qued as Dehaka, BW, Zagara. I split pushed like mad and the moment they split up they got ganked and died. That team combination is insane on Dragonshire. Got both shrines and DK by myself after a team fight where both sides had to disengange.
Long story short, Nydus is still the same. But you don't need a Nydus in your hall of the storm anymore and you can now gank with it really easly. Balanced it out by making it like a B if you enter a Nydus. So you really need a good map awareness if you need a Nydus to escape.
I hope split pushing won't become a thing, because if it does they will remove Battle Momentum from Zagara, which makes Nydus extremely strong.
Banelings >.>. Tough Roaches are the thing to get. With Battle Momentum camps can't kill your roaches fast enough and they drain tower Ammo like crazy.
I suppose I'm thinking about the channel to enter the wrong way. In terms of maps I'd have to imagine good maps for falstad=best maps for Zagara to take nydus as well would they not?
On March 31 2016 22:14 FeyFey wrote: Has to be, otherwise you would just destroy forts with abathur together, once you hit level 10. You exit instantly though its awesome. Don't remove a creep tumor in your retreat pass. Guess you will have to get past a full health Zagara on your retreat. Qued as Dehaka, BW, Zagara. I split pushed like mad and the moment they split up they got ganked and died. That team combination is insane on Dragonshire. Got both shrines and DK by myself after a team fight where both sides had to disengange.
Long story short, Nydus is still the same. But you don't need a Nydus in your hall of the storm anymore and you can now gank with it really easly. Balanced it out by making it like a B if you enter a Nydus. So you really need a good map awareness if you need a Nydus to escape.
I hope split pushing won't become a thing, because if it does they will remove Battle Momentum from Zagara, which makes Nydus extremely strong.
Banelings >.>. Tough Roaches are the thing to get. With Battle Momentum camps can't kill your roaches fast enough and they drain tower Ammo like crazy.
Did nydus even get significantly buffed? Healing like you are in the back of your base is really just a quality of life improvement since you don't automatically put one in base every time, and you don't have to juggle getting in and out as much.
On April 01 2016 01:22 MotherFox wrote: Did nydus even get significantly buffed? Healing like you are in the back of your base is really just a quality of life improvement since you don't automatically put one in base every time, and you don't have to juggle getting in and out as much.
You heal like hall, and some QOL changes to the worm. It's faster.
He skipped Uther and Lili, too. Speaking of which I suspect that Lili may see more use with all of these auto-attackers showing up again. I actually wanted to pick her in a game for that very reason a couple of days ago, but couldn't because she's only Level 4 on my account.
Very early, but so far Tychus and KT are lowest win rates over all with the new patch. I would buy Illidan if you like melee assassins and wait on Tychus.
What happens when Pyroblast hits a Lunara with Greater Spell Shield and Shield Dust
On April 01 2016 01:50 karazax wrote: Very early, but so far Tychus and KT are lowest win rates over all with the new patch. I would buy Illidan if you like melee assassins and wait on Tychus.
Honestly I wouldn't draw any conclusions until we are a week or two into the patch. Currently the numbers show Sgt Hammer with a 2nd highest winrate, and I expect there to be some major adjustment there. Not to mention that people are still figuring out how to play these heroes. (I've seen numerous KTs ask why their chain bomb isn't spreading, because they skipped the patch notes and didn't realize it doesn't spread to minions anymore)
That said, I do think KT and Jaina got hit really hard with no bolt of the storm. Now they are much later draft candidates than they were before IMO.
On April 01 2016 01:46 NKB wrote: With new patch worth getting tychus and illidan now? Only ever managed to play a couple of games when they were on the f2p rotation.
Illidan is definitely worth taking, he is a lot better than before in my opinion.
Tychus is alright. KT is decent. Sylv is good. Gaz is Gaz.
The pettiness of HL players even at rank 1 is so ridiculous. Didn't get the hero you wanted because of a ban? Trollpick. Has happened multiple times today.
Also, silenced players flat out shouldn't be allowed to play HL. Silenced player sitting last pick on a Butcher pre-pick, obviously can't respond to us, so we have to shape our team around him. Gets to his pick, insta locks in Azmodan, we get rekt.
On March 31 2016 22:14 FeyFey wrote: Has to be, otherwise you would just destroy forts with abathur together, once you hit level 10. You exit instantly though its awesome. Don't remove a creep tumor in your retreat pass. Guess you will have to get past a full health Zagara on your retreat. Qued as Dehaka, BW, Zagara. I split pushed like mad and the moment they split up they got ganked and died. That team combination is insane on Dragonshire. Got both shrines and DK by myself after a team fight where both sides had to disengange.
Long story short, Nydus is still the same. But you don't need a Nydus in your hall of the storm anymore and you can now gank with it really easly. Balanced it out by making it like a B if you enter a Nydus. So you really need a good map awareness if you need a Nydus to escape.
I hope split pushing won't become a thing, because if it does they will remove Battle Momentum from Zagara, which makes Nydus extremely strong.
Banelings >.>. Tough Roaches are the thing to get. With Battle Momentum camps can't kill your roaches fast enough and they drain tower Ammo like crazy.
What build do you liek to use?
I like the build that fits the team and map the best. Zagara's talents don't change her, just improve an aspect of hers. So even my Nydus build, that I experiment with if my team can work on their own and doesn't need Maw and if its a big map, has many variation except 1) Corpse Feeders 7) Battle Momentum 10) Nydus 20) Bolt Talent on level 4 dictates the rest of the build to some extent. My fave is 4) Tumor Clutch 13) Muta 16) Metabolic Boost Mostly because its really rare that I can use 16) Metabolic Boost, especially since taking Endless Creep is rarely an option.
On April 01 2016 01:50 karazax wrote: Very early, but so far Tychus and KT are lowest win rates over all with the new patch. I would buy Illidan if you like melee assassins and wait on Tychus.
Honestly I wouldn't draw any conclusions until we are a week or two into the patch. Currently the numbers show Sgt Hammer with a 2nd highest winrate, and I expect there to be some major adjustment there. Not to mention that people are still figuring out how to play these heroes. (I've seen numerous KTs ask why their chain bomb isn't spreading, because they skipped the patch notes and didn't realize it doesn't spread to minions anymore)
That said, I do think KT and Jaina got hit really hard with no bolt of the storm. Now they are much later draft candidates than they were before IMO.
Sure, but people are trying to figure out Illidan too and his win rate has increased at most levels. Tychus and KT have low win rates at all levels with 11,500 and 6,000+ games played, while Sgt Hammer's results are only over 1,600 games. Plus Li-Ming bans make it safer to play Sgt Hammer.
KT wasn't played pre-patch because he was hard to keep alive and now he has even less defensive options. Tychus problem is that he does fast low damage auto attacks with a relatively short range so he can't stutter step without losing tons of dps. Given the opportunity to just stand still he can do great damage, but that's rarely safe. Both may increase in win rate with practice, but I suspect that both will stay at or below their already low pre-patch win rates in a week.
I'm not saying never buy them, just that if you have doubts wait a week or so and see how they are doing then.
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