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On April 20 2016 04:55 FeyFey wrote:
Found the ultimate conter to Tracer. Malf just Moonfires her to death, nothing she can do.
Patchnotes said, hero level will be taken into account. So low level heroes of you will get easier opponents. So yeah. I hate that change btw.
Ranged instant poke like moonfire or chain lightning is good against tracer but really is not an ultimate counter. She has 1270 hp at level 1, only 5% less than nova and the same as valla. Those heroes typically don't have sustain either and don't really suffer from the poke either as long as you don't go sololaning with them against something like thrall. Tracer is very easily healed up by the support and her damage is just great, 99% sure she is OP and will be needing a nerf in about 3 weeks (they won't do anything earlier given the way tracer is released).
Also you can even get the sustain talent at 4 if poke really is a problem, which it can be in the barren support empty land that is QM. But in HL with the right comp she is godly. Then again I expect her to get a large share of bans, just because it's an irritating hero to face.
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Ye i am already banning her. Very annoying hero.
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On April 20 2016 20:07 Foxxan wrote:
Ye i am already banning her. Very annoying hero.
I played five games of hero league last night and surprisingly didn't see her once.
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I was playing mostly QM with Friend last night and Tracer was in every game, and every single one of them was feeding like crazy.
It's a typical trap with these highly mobile heroes, people think that they are a lot more mobile in fights than they actually are. Seeing Tracer using 3 blinks and charging into 5 enemies only to get stunned and blown up instantly, or using 3 blinks then recalling and getting back into the fight INSTANTLY without having blinks off cooldown is cringe worthy. I mean, what the fuck did you think will happen?
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On April 20 2016 18:31 Foxxan wrote:
KT is one of my favorite heroes right now. Seeing tempo storm rank him "S" doesnt feel good.
Nerf incoming?
I suspect he will be nerfed at some point unless the win rate shifts over the next week or two. He is above the win rate he was at the last time he was a first pick/first ban tier 1 and got nerfed, though most people still pick or ban Li Ming and Illidan over him. Bugged Tychus is at a similar win rate, though with significantly less games played.
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On April 20 2016 21:04 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I was playing mostly QM with Friend last night and Tracer was in every game, and every single one of them was feeding like crazy.
It's a typical trap with these highly mobile heroes, people think that they are a lot more mobile in fights than they actually are. Seeing Tracer using 3 blinks and charging into 5 enemies only to get stunned and blown up instantly, or using 3 blinks then recalling and getting back into the fight INSTANTLY without having blinks off cooldown is cringe worthy. I mean, what the fuck did you think will happen?
The counter to Tracer is counting to three. XD
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Tracer has lots of problems with Cho'Gall. Can't stay in range to do any significant damage without getting blown up.
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Alright, I just played against a couple Tracers in QM, and she is just annoying enough in moderately capable hands (not mine) to be ban-ish worthy imo.
It should be noted that in both cases our Tracer fed like she was a cafeteria worker.
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That was like a few good episode merged into an epic one
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Tracer thread lost to Dehaka just like in heroes ! Love the Teamfight ones. First one still more legendary though. But its not over, level 20 Chogall is still out there lol.
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So maybe the support patch is next week. Hopefully it is, i really want a "major" one for the supports.
Way more build diversity and probably more important, more skill while playing them.
Their utility should matter, maybe even alot so its utility+healing, 65/35% or something.
No support should really be a healbot, but i might be dreaming if blizzard will change that.
Anyway, hopefully they make it more reactfull to. Thats when its as most fun to play support imo, when you really need to pay attention to every teammate and who to choose to heal and such.
Maybe add more healing power to all supports+more impactful talents.
Iam having the most fun with playing a support when i dont take cleanse but instead take the healing talent at that tier.
Uther=the better accuracy, the more healing.
Reghar=The more you use ghostwolf, the more healing.
BW=well she dont use cleanse really, she uses the shield and its rewarding, especially when it comes off cooldown in long teamfights.
Kharazim, morales, malfurion needs added stuff, something like the one above.
Well, i need to say something more here. For example, if we look at uther, something that would fit him would be to have a "new" talent that you target your teammate with and when that teammate does an autoattack against an enemy that teammate gets healed. Should be skillful to use it, so perhaps the faster that teammate does the autoattack, the more healing it is.
More stuff like that and so on maybe
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I expect the warrior patch changes for Anub and Arthas to come next. Perhaps some supports will see tweaks as well.
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I'm really curious what they'll do with Cleanse. Cleanse keeps fhe abundant stuns in check, which makes it mandatory on supports to run, except for the few who can't (BW/Tass/BW IIRC) putting them in a worse spot artificially.
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Cleanse is in a good spot right now.
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Illidan isn't nearly as good now right? Where do you think he stands in comparison to Xul/Li Ming?
EDIT: As far as being ban worthy is concerned
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On April 24 2016 17:36 Zambrah wrote:
Illidan isn't nearly as good now right? Where do you think he stands in comparison to Xul/Li Ming?
EDIT: As far as being ban worthy is concerned
Li Ming isn't as good as before after the nerfs, I mean she is still good but not godlike.
Illidan is top ban priority in my opinion, he is back to being one of the best melee assassins together with Thrall and is a lot stronger than before. If enemy builds right composition around Illidan, you will have a very tough time.
I definitely expect Tyrael and Arthas to have major talents reworks in next patch, Anub could be on the same boat, but maybe he just needs buffs as he already has talent diversity(at least compared to Arthas and Tyrael). Kerrigan needs a bit of better scaling, Butcher needs buffs(probably few talent reworks).
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Blizzard confirmed that Anub and Arthas are getting talent changes at some point, no mention of Tyrael so far.
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Blizzard have said somewhere that anub wont get any major rework at all, its in line with what they did with stitches.
I agree that illidan is ban worthy, but mostly because your own team many times build a crap draft against him, meaning, they suck at adapting. Especially if the MM is fucked up and give you low mmr shit noobs.
For cleanse, its in a really bad spot. First its mandatory, second the tier its mandatory on has the most variation of all tiers.
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Yeah part of me thinks they should just make cleanse base line for all supports at level 1.
Mcintyre released a new hero league tier list if you want some more insight in a pro player's perspective, though personally I think Tracer is tier 1 in that you need to build a team around beating her rather than building a team to make her successful.
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