On October 14 2015 02:55 MotherFox wrote:
The hoverover for water elemental on Jaina for the individual builds is out of date. (Currently says the water ele chills enemy on casting.)

Lol I'm not really sure how I updated the main ability description without doing the build ones, but thanks for pointing that out.

MotherFox

United States1529 Posts

October 15 2015 20:33 GMT

#102

AFor sonya it seems that ferocious healing has taken over for followthrough on the standard build.

It also seems like war paint and shot of fury are the two choices for level 1, judging from the top builds on hotslogs. I wonder if it's a matter of damage(shot of fury means more slams) vs sustain(war paint is healing)?

Also, of course, prolific dispersal is more popular on abby since Fan's guide came out.

Sjokola

Netherlands800 Posts

October 18 2015 19:29 GMT

#103

This has been very helpful. Is there a plan to do the newer heroes too?

[Phantom]

Mexico2170 Posts

October 18 2015 20:16 GMT

#104

Yeah. Valiver is working on updating it as we speak.

Sjokola

Netherlands800 Posts

October 18 2015 23:18 GMT

#105

That is awesome!

Valiver

Caldeum1977 Posts

October 19 2015 05:43 GMT

#106

Here's the builds for Rexxar and Lt. Morales that will be added soon:

Rexxar:
The Misha Build is more of the Standard, and concentrates on making Misha an unstoppable annoyance and do a lot of damage and disruption to the enemy team. The Tank build is better for laning and clearing merc camps, and is more of a typical warrior role.

Misha build

hunter-gatherer
hungry bear
aspect of the beast
bestial wrath
wildfire bear
feign death
frenzy of khalimdor

Tank build

hunter-gatherer
easy prey
bird of prey
bestial wrath
wildfire bear
primal intimidation
hardened shield

Lt. Morales:
The talents listed first are given priority generally, but the 2nd ones are situational.

Standard Support build

trauma trigger
advanced block or bioshield
irradiate or clear!
stim drone
couples therapy
inoculation or shield sequencer
caduceus reactor

EsportsJohn

United States4883 Posts

October 19 2015 07:44 GMT

#107

On October 16 2015 05:33 MotherFox wrote:
AFor sonya it seems that ferocious healing has taken over for followthrough on the standard build.

It also seems like war paint and shot of fury are the two choices for level 1, judging from the top builds on hotslogs. I wonder if it's a matter of damage(shot of fury means more slams) vs sustain(war paint is healing)?

Also, of course, prolific dispersal is more popular on abby since Fan's guide came out.

On Sonya:

Sonya is really in flux right now. In the pro scene, level 7 is split between Follow Through and Ferocious Healing depending on who's playing it, and level 16 talents can vary widely between Nerves of Steel, Furious Blow, and No Escape. The build I tend toward is a safe one which a lot of the Koreans and Europeans seem to favor:

War Paint
Focused Attack
Ferocious Healing
Wrath of the Berserker
Mystical Spear
Nerves of Steel
Ignore Pain

iDream plays a very different version of Sonya that is very much like a melee assassin and less like a tanky bruiser:

Shot of Fury
Focused Attack
Follow Through
Wrath of the Berserker
Mystical Spear
Furious Blow
Ignore Pain/Nexus Blades

Once you get Mystical Spear, you have unlimited slams available to you. Shot of Fury is more like a flex pick...it can allow you to save your Spear if you need it for a gap closer, it can be used to Whirlwind instantly in a situation where you find yourself in the thick of things without any fury, or it can just be to keep Wrath of the Berserker going for a bit longer. I typically always pick War Paint (or Block) because I play conservatively enough that I don't feel like I need Shot of Fury.

Ramiz1989

12124 Posts

October 19 2015 12:27 GMT

#108

I've seen iDream taking Whirlwind talent at level 4, Sonya has quite a lot of viable talents which is why she is awesome.

Also, in the SolidJake's State of the Game, bkbgrnrjefek from Virtus.Pro said something that I've been thinking about for a very long time, and that her Leap heroic is quite underrated and that is great when you play against a lot of backline heroes that can kite you and you would have a hard time to catch the targets. So after that we've played a game against other team on Haunted Mines, where they took 4 range heroes and 1 tank. I've picked up Leap and it was absolutely gamebreaking. They probably didn't expect it but we also had Johanna and anytime she managed to charge into them and Condemn it was a 3-4 man Leap for 1.5 sec stun into a team wipe, or even I would initiate the fight on 2-3 heroes with Leap followed by Jaina's Blizzard and Johanna's Blessed Shield and Condemn, it really felt strong.

MotherFox

United States1529 Posts

October 19 2015 15:42 GMT

#109

The hoverhover for tassadar's dimensional warp is a little misspelled.

Wuster

1974 Posts

October 19 2015 15:43 GMT

#110

I love how often the game goes full circle like this.

Sonya was all about Leap during Beta, it was considered the premier engaging tool and landing one could be game ending. Then they nerfed Leap and she was considered too squishy to be initiating like that (also double support started going out of fashion iirc).

Now people remember an AoE stun that puts your bruiser right in the thick of things can be pretty useful if you have the right follow-up / team comp!

AgamemnonSC2

Canada254 Posts

October 21 2015 02:28 GMT

#111

Add Artanis please!

Thanks.

Larkin

United Kingdom7161 Posts

October 21 2015 03:09 GMT

#112

On October 19 2015 21:27 Ramiz1989 wrote:
her Leap heroic is quite underrated and that is great when you play against a lot of backline heroes that can kite you and you would have a hard time to catch the targets.

Even the 20 upgrade to Leap can be brutal to win a fight if you can Leap onto the backline and stop them getting away. I distinctly remember being up a level and the Sonya going for that just so he could kill Kael and Raynor before they got to 20 and got blink (which would nullify it). We crushed the fight and won the game off the back of it. Pretty sick for a one off.

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

October 21 2015 04:04 GMT

#113

Here's my Artanis build that I'm having a lot of success with:

Seasoned Marksman
Templar's Zeal
Psionic Synergy
Suppression Pulse
Triple Strike
Zealot Charge (this is sooooo good)
Orbital Bombardment

Valiver

Caldeum1977 Posts

October 22 2015 23:58 GMT

#114

A big update just went up, and Artanis, Lt. Morales, and Rexxar have all been added!

Zeratul, Sonya, and Abathur saw slight changes as well.

Tassadar, Chen, Tyrande, and ETC will get small updates tomorrow.

MotherFox

United States1529 Posts

October 23 2015 17:35 GMT

#115

On October 23 2015 08:58 Valiver wrote:
A big update just went up, and Artanis, Lt. Morales, and Rexxar have all been added!

Zeratul, Sonya, and Abathur saw slight changes as well.

Tassadar, Chen, Tyrande, and ETC will get small updates tomorrow.

Thanks so much for keeping this updated. I rely on this thread fairly heavily every time the meta shifts and find myself needing to dip into unfamiliar territory.

Nuclease

United States1049 Posts

October 24 2015 07:42 GMT

#116

Just so you know, the bottom right of the builds currently has a black area. If you click it, the builds become unviewable and the whole html layout seems to kinda break.

Thanks for new builds! Will look and give feedback later

Valiver

Caldeum1977 Posts

October 24 2015 17:02 GMT

#117

On October 24 2015 16:42 Nuclease wrote:
Just so you know, the bottom right of the builds currently has a black area. If you click it, the builds become unviewable and the whole html layout seems to kinda break.

Thanks for new builds! Will look and give feedback later

Good catch, and it's been fixed now

Sjokola

Netherlands800 Posts

October 25 2015 14:54 GMT

#118

This has been such an invaluable resource to me. Thank you guys so much

EsportsJohn

United States4883 Posts

October 27 2015 08:58 GMT

#119

Prescience is such a staple to Tassadar builds that I think it's worth putting in at level 13 for the support build at least. Even damage builds on Tassadar are now going:

Conjurer's Pursuit
Leeching Plasma
Static Charge
Archon
Prescience
Dimensional Shift
Twilight Archon

The survivability it offers tends to outweigh the damage from Second Strike and the utility of Distortion Beam.

MotherFox

United States1529 Posts

October 27 2015 15:35 GMT

#120

On October 27 2015 17:58 SC2John wrote:
Prescience is such a staple to Tassadar builds that I think it's worth putting in at level 13 for the support build at least. Even damage builds on Tassadar are now going:

Conjurer's Pursuit
Leeching Plasma
Static Charge
Archon
Prescience
Dimensional Shift
Twilight Archon

The survivability it offers tends to outweigh the damage from Second Strike and the utility of Distortion Beam.

Plus prescience is a combo with dimensional shift, which is probably a reason why it's so popular.

I don't know if there is a way to mine this from hotslogs(or if map-specific builds are something we want here), but I suspect there may be other builds specifically for haunted mines. I've been running

Reinforce Structure
Healing Ward
Mule
Archon
Prescience
Dimensional Shift
Twilight Archon

and it is really fantastic, since enemy golems can never damage your keeps and you still provide some healing/damage in teamfights. Per my usual caveat, this is for games in the low 20s ranking wise, so maybe it changes once players know how to react to it. Sacrificing a mana talent on 1 is not a problem since haunted mines fights are so short in terms of time spent outside of your base. [at least they are for me]

edit-> Oh hey, this build is actually at the top of the hotslogs popular talent builds on haunted mines. I do run it every chance I get, and I have 100% winrate on the map with this build...so a fair share of those 27 games are mine.