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MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
November 27 2015 00:08 GMT
#141
not a clue, I actually thought it was correct here
Don't Panic
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
December 08 2015 07:06 GMT
#142
I think tyrande needs to be updated. It looks like all the top builds on hotslogs are taking shadowstalk at 10 and upgraded shadowstalk at 20. (even the owl build). Also, the autoattack build doesn't appear to be a thing anymore, as searing arrows is barely ever taken.
Don't Panic
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
December 08 2015 15:24 GMT
#143
On December 08 2015 16:06 MotherFox wrote:
I think tyrande needs to be updated. It looks like all the top builds on hotslogs are taking shadowstalk at 10 and upgraded shadowstalk at 20. (even the owl build). Also, the autoattack build doesn't appear to be a thing anymore, as searing arrows is barely ever taken.

Yeah I'm behind right now because of school (finals are this week) but I'm going to be updating a lot of it next week. Tyrande is on top of the list alongside Thrall and adding Cho'gall.
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
December 09 2015 17:47 GMT
#144
On December 09 2015 00:24 Valiver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2015 16:06 MotherFox wrote:
I think tyrande needs to be updated. It looks like all the top builds on hotslogs are taking shadowstalk at 10 and upgraded shadowstalk at 20. (even the owl build). Also, the autoattack build doesn't appear to be a thing anymore, as searing arrows is barely ever taken.

Yeah I'm behind right now because of school (finals are this week) but I'm going to be updating a lot of it next week. Tyrande is on top of the list alongside Thrall and adding Cho'gall.


Tbh, I think we're going to need a major overhaul of this, but we'll talk more about that later this week ^^. Good luck with finals!
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
December 10 2015 07:40 GMT
#145
Yeah, I just noticed there are three separate top builds for zeratul now, and none of them feature the level 4 talent pick this guide suggests: focused attack.
Don't Panic
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
December 10 2015 09:00 GMT
#146
that MIGHT be because focused attack was removed trust me if it was still there people would pick it :D
Immersion_
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom794 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-20 23:23:04
December 20 2015 23:22 GMT
#147
Good to hear you guys are still updating this. Still my go-to place for 80%+ of the hero pool!
http://www.twitch.tv/sybar1te Sybarite#2581 - add me for Heroes games. .Play Hots and Overwatch currently. Feel free to add.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
December 20 2015 23:49 GMT
#148
On December 21 2015 08:22 Immersion_ wrote:
Good to hear you guys are still updating this. Still my go-to place for 80%+ of the hero pool!


Excellent! Just to let you guys know how it's going, we went through and wrote down all the updates we wanted for the guide this week, and now all we have to do is just upload all the proper icons/descriptions and put everything in order. The plan is to have everything updated by the end of the year .
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
Kelwyn
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany143 Posts
December 22 2015 10:19 GMT
#149
On December 21 2015 08:49 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2015 08:22 Immersion_ wrote:
Good to hear you guys are still updating this. Still my go-to place for 80%+ of the hero pool!


Excellent! Just to let you guys know how it's going, we went through and wrote down all the updates we wanted for the guide this week, and now all we have to do is just upload all the proper icons/descriptions and put everything in order. The plan is to have everything updated by the end of the year .


Thank you and everyone contributing so much for this! This is also one of my two go-to guides for builds, along with icy-veins.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
January 03 2016 00:26 GMT
#150
Just wanted to say thank you as well! Really appreciate this thread!
Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 15:08:32
January 11 2016 15:07 GMT
#151
Really cool work guys. Here're a few suggestions, if you look (and have time) for improvements:

- Tyrande's build is really outdated, since she's the best hero right now maybe a small rework could be done.
- still no Trace's build on Murky, BTW I used the bubble build MotherFox advised here with some success, and this build is not there either.
- for Uther I think the easiest build (refered by John in another thread) should be mentionned (on level 4 and/or 7 you just pick holy radiance talents) as cleanse is quite a niche / pro pick to me (just consider how many times per game you use it).
- for Thrall xDaunt's cool CL build should be here imo. It's a good alternative to Wind Fury Thrall.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
January 11 2016 17:25 GMT
#152
On January 12 2016 00:07 Leolio wrote:
Really cool work guys. Here're a few suggestions, if you look (and have time) for improvements:

- Tyrande's build is really outdated, since she's the best hero right now maybe a small rework could be done.
- still no Trace's build on Murky, BTW I used the bubble build MotherFox advised here with some success, and this build is not there either.
- for Uther I think the easiest build (refered by John in another thread) should be mentionned (on level 4 and/or 7 you just pick holy radiance talents) as cleanse is quite a niche / pro pick to me (just consider how many times per game you use it).
- for Thrall xDaunt's cool CL build should be here imo. It's a good alternative to Wind Fury Thrall.


We're still in the process of updating. I went through and wrote down literally every build that needed to be changed, which includes most of what you suggested. We're probably not going to include Trace's Murky build though, since we pretty much all agree that it is subpar or at least a specialized build (sorry!).
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
January 11 2016 22:57 GMT
#153
I'm sad that none of the lili builds include gale force, which is by far my favorite pick at that level.
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
January 14 2016 19:47 GMT
#154
On January 12 2016 02:25 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 00:07 Leolio wrote:
Really cool work guys. Here're a few suggestions, if you look (and have time) for improvements:

- Tyrande's build is really outdated, since she's the best hero right now maybe a small rework could be done.
- still no Trace's build on Murky, BTW I used the bubble build MotherFox advised here with some success, and this build is not there either.
- for Uther I think the easiest build (refered by John in another thread) should be mentionned (on level 4 and/or 7 you just pick holy radiance talents) as cleanse is quite a niche / pro pick to me (just consider how many times per game you use it).
- for Thrall xDaunt's cool CL build should be here imo. It's a good alternative to Wind Fury Thrall.


We're still in the process of updating. I went through and wrote down literally every build that needed to be changed, which includes most of what you suggested. We're probably not going to include Trace's Murky build though, since we pretty much all agree that it is subpar or at least a specialized build (sorry!).

I can't imagine how much work you put in this. Thanks guys!
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
January 14 2016 20:24 GMT
#155
Abathur - Leoric have been updated, been going through them alphabetically. If you want any particular hero's builds before I get to that hero just ask and we can post them.
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Immersion_
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom794 Posts
January 14 2016 23:34 GMT
#156
Is the Artanis 'E' build generally considered weaker than the Standard build? Love to see the Thrall build you guys have, I can't stop taking the heal talent at 7. Seems so useful.
http://www.twitch.tv/sybar1te Sybarite#2581 - add me for Heroes games. .Play Hots and Overwatch currently. Feel free to add.
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 01:14:26
January 15 2016 01:13 GMT
#157
On January 15 2016 08:34 Immersion_ wrote:
Is the Artanis 'E' build generally considered weaker than the Standard build? Love to see the Thrall build you guys have, I can't stop taking the heal talent at 7. Seems so useful.

The Phase Prism talents just don't do enough, and replace vital other talents that Artanis needs.

For Thrall there's the Windfury Build and the Chain Lightning Build.

Windfury
  • Seasoned Marksman (or Rolling Thunder)
  • Envenom (or Ride the Lightning)
  • Wind Shear
  • Sundering
  • Grace of Air
  • Tempest Fury
  • Nexus Blades

Chain Lightning
  • Rolling Thunder
  • Ride the Lightning
  • Follow Through
  • Sundering
  • Grace of Air
  • Forked Lightning
  • Bolt of the Storm
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MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 05:47:47
January 15 2016 05:47 GMT
#158
On January 15 2016 05:24 Valiver wrote:
Abathur - Leoric have been updated, been going through them alphabetically. If you want any particular hero's builds before I get to that hero just ask and we can post them.


For Diablo, battle momentum is half as popular on 7, but has a higher winrate. It's also in 4/10 of the highest winrate builds on hotslogs, so it might be worth mentioning that with it you can keep fire devil up close to 100% of the time. This combined with more apocs make for a much higher damage diablo. [I think you end up amping damage by like a third at a sacrifice of 10% of your health pool some of the time]
Don't Panic
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 15 2016 06:35 GMT
#159
On January 15 2016 10:13 Valiver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 08:34 Immersion_ wrote:
Is the Artanis 'E' build generally considered weaker than the Standard build? Love to see the Thrall build you guys have, I can't stop taking the heal talent at 7. Seems so useful.

The Phase Prism talents just don't do enough, and replace vital other talents that Artanis needs.

For Thrall there's the Windfury Build and the Chain Lightning Build.

Windfury
  • Seasoned Marksman (or Rolling Thunder)
  • Envenom (or Ride the Lightning)
  • Wind Shear
  • Sundering
  • Grace of Air
  • Tempest Fury
  • Nexus Blades

Chain Lightning
  • Rolling Thunder
  • Ride the Lightning
  • Follow Through
  • Sundering
  • Grace of Air
  • Forked Lightning
  • Bolt of the Storm

And the sustain build that makes Thrall an actual bruiser and goes like this:
W
Q
D
Sundering
E
E
Bolt/Blades
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
January 15 2016 07:28 GMT
#160
On January 15 2016 14:47 MotherFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 05:24 Valiver wrote:
Abathur - Leoric have been updated, been going through them alphabetically. If you want any particular hero's builds before I get to that hero just ask and we can post them.


For Diablo, battle momentum is half as popular on 7, but has a higher winrate. It's also in 4/10 of the highest winrate builds on hotslogs, so it might be worth mentioning that with it you can keep fire devil up close to 100% of the time. This combined with more apocs make for a much higher damage diablo. [I think you end up amping damage by like a third at a sacrifice of 10% of your health pool some of the time]

I meant to add that battle momentum and imposing presence can both be good on diablo but I completely forgot to change his text blurb. Thanks for pointing that out

On January 15 2016 15:35 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 10:13 Valiver wrote:
On January 15 2016 08:34 Immersion_ wrote:
Is the Artanis 'E' build generally considered weaker than the Standard build? Love to see the Thrall build you guys have, I can't stop taking the heal talent at 7. Seems so useful.

The Phase Prism talents just don't do enough, and replace vital other talents that Artanis needs.

For Thrall there's the Windfury Build and the Chain Lightning Build.

Windfury
  • Seasoned Marksman (or Rolling Thunder)
  • Envenom (or Ride the Lightning)
  • Wind Shear
  • Sundering
  • Grace of Air
  • Tempest Fury
  • Nexus Blades

Chain Lightning
  • Rolling Thunder
  • Ride the Lightning
  • Follow Through
  • Sundering
  • Grace of Air
  • Forked Lightning
  • Bolt of the Storm

And the sustain build that makes Thrall an actual bruiser and goes like this:
W
Q
D
Sundering
E
E
Bolt/Blades

Thrall gimps himself if you have to give up that much damage in your early talents to get survivability. It doesn't matter if he heals himself for more if he's doing Illidan-like tickle damage.
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