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On July 23 2012 10:07 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 00:36 CubEdIn wrote:
would you bet your life that the dog wins? Because that's basically what you're saying when voting for the dog. What? You're not betting anything. Where did you get this impression? On a separate note, about the "average person" thing. An "average person" isn't a male in their teens/early twenties in great athletic condition. That's already the top of the population in terms of ability. Also, a lot of people are poorly equipped to deal with the adrenaline response. It can lead just as easily to panic as it can to a battle trance, especially if you have a (even mild) fear of dogs. And many people are unprepared for the pain of what is effectively a row of knives piercing your flesh. People experience panic attacks, fainting, or other symptoms when just getting a needle, and I would expect even more would react badly to getting an armful of teeth. Even if you have time to "psych yourself up" for the fight beforehand, you can very easily psych yourself out and make things even worse for yourself. Your human intelligence can actually be a drawback in this case. If you're afraid, having time to think can make it incapacitating. It's funny that the mental aspect is so important, because it might be that both answers are right. If you believe that you can kill the dog, then you'll stay calm and win. If you believe the dog will kill you, then you'll panic and lose.
I'm just saying that voting in the thread is like "betting" on who will win. If you're thinking a dog would win, then you're saying that you would get killed by a dog in a closed room if that were the situation. I know the phrasing is weird but what I mean is, people don't seem to REALLY think about it, as in, if you were there, would you REALLY get killed by a DOG?
Yes, they're vicious, and it's going to be hard to do some damage, but once you do, they are fucked. I've been attack by dogs at least twice in my life. Once by a GS and once by a mix-breed-street-dog. Both times I raised my arm towards my face (instinct) and both times they latched on to it. They either bite several times or shake their head trying to tear off flesh. But do not underestimate what adrenaline does to people. The street dog was rather small (somewhere between 10-15kgs I would say), but I grabbed it with my other hand and threw it at least 15 feet (5m) away. The shepherd was pulled back by his owner but he did not manage to drop me to the ground in the whole 5-10 seconds of the attack. If I knew my life depended on defending myself, would have tried to gouge an eye out. If you manage that, you've won, hands down.
Also, the nose of the dog is sensitive, if you stick your fingers/fingernails and scratch/rip, they will be in horrible pain. I know it's hard to do so, but this is apart from all the other things.
I don't think they can drop you to the ground, so you have weight to your advantage. Fuck it, if he won't get off your arm you can literally body-slam it, drop your whole weight on top of the dog while he's ripping your arm apart.
The only thing I would really be afraid of is their speed, ability to dodge your kicks or get out of the way of your attempts to gouge/rip/etc. Their strength is not as impressive as some people think. And their bite force is as strong as a human's, albeit they have much scarier teeth.
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On July 23 2012 17:42 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 14:22 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Now this is a stupid statement. I hate it when I see people say this. Two things. First, you usually see dogs go for the arm in the media because they are trained to do so. Dogs will more than likely go for your throat or face in a life-or-death situation. Second, even if it did go for your arm, a dog doesn't just sit there and chew on it; it will thrash viciously, and a German Shephard will probably thrash so hard that it will throw you around like a rag doll. haha, relax. I'm sorry I ruined your day. And elaborate? From what I've read about dog attacks, a dog is perfectly fine with biting an extremity if it can't reach your face. It's not like you won't die from a severed leg artery anyways. Also I can't see a dog throwing something around "like a rag doll" that weighs twice as much as it.
more than likely the dog will be the one that will be thrown about. Also i like how ppl underrestimate human kick power, and overrestimate dog bite force. German shepherd bite came up at 238 pounds(108kgs), pit bull's bite was measured at 235pounds and no dog bit over 328pounds of force. In comparison Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell was measured, straddling an opponent, with a 2400 psi(pound per square inch) punch. Ofcourse he is profesional martial artist, but you can understand how powerfull human kicks and punches are? average human could prolly punch to about 500-1000. And kicks with boots are alot more powerfull.
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Ppl in the military are trained to kill dogs with bare hands, in a very efficient way. No kick / punches invovled you just have to crush the tracheria of the dog wich is awfully easy it seems.
edit : basically you want to use your shirt rolled up around your left arm, bait the dog to bite on it while you seize with your right hand his tracheria and crush it while hes destroying a bit of your left arm.
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On July 23 2012 18:18 Boonbag wrote:
Ppl in the military are trained to kill dogs with bare hands, in a very efficient way. No kick / punches invovled you just have to crush the tracheria of the dog wich is awfully easy it seems.
edit : basically you want to use your shirt rolled up around your left arm, bait the dog to bite on it while you seize with your right hand his tracheria and crush it while hes destroying a bit of your left arm.
that's a good way to fight the dog. But we are talking about the average man who didn't get trained by the army :p Poke at his eyes, noose can also make him less aggressive and easier to fight.
An average human would be scarred to death though and might just get jumped on, pushed to the ground by the dog and get biten to death while shouting and crying. This or the adrenaline rush makes him aware that he fights for his life and he actually get something done.
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On July 23 2012 18:02 CubEdIn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 23 2012 10:07 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 00:36 CubEdIn wrote:
would you bet your life that the dog wins? Because that's basically what you're saying when voting for the dog. What? You're not betting anything. Where did you get this impression? On a separate note, about the "average person" thing. An "average person" isn't a male in their teens/early twenties in great athletic condition. That's already the top of the population in terms of ability. Also, a lot of people are poorly equipped to deal with the adrenaline response. It can lead just as easily to panic as it can to a battle trance, especially if you have a (even mild) fear of dogs. And many people are unprepared for the pain of what is effectively a row of knives piercing your flesh. People experience panic attacks, fainting, or other symptoms when just getting a needle, and I would expect even more would react badly to getting an armful of teeth. Even if you have time to "psych yourself up" for the fight beforehand, you can very easily psych yourself out and make things even worse for yourself. Your human intelligence can actually be a drawback in this case. If you're afraid, having time to think can make it incapacitating. It's funny that the mental aspect is so important, because it might be that both answers are right. If you believe that you can kill the dog, then you'll stay calm and win. If you believe the dog will kill you, then you'll panic and lose. I'm just saying that voting in the thread is like "betting" on who will win. If you're thinking a dog would win, then you're saying that you would get killed by a dog in a closed room if that were the situation. I know the phrasing is weird but what I mean is, people don't seem to REALLY think about it, as in, if you were there, would you REALLY get killed by a DOG? Yes, they're vicious, and it's going to be hard to do some damage, but once you do, they are fucked. I've been attack by dogs at least twice in my life. Once by a GS and once by a mix-breed-street-dog. Both times I raised my arm towards my face (instinct) and both times they latched on to it. They either bite several times or shake their head trying to tear off flesh. But do not underestimate what adrenaline does to people. The street dog was rather small (somewhere between 10-15kgs I would say), but I grabbed it with my other hand and threw it at least 15 feet (5m) away. The shepherd was pulled back by his owner but he did not manage to drop me to the ground in the whole 5-10 seconds of the attack. If I knew my life depended on defending myself, would have tried to gouge an eye out. If you manage that, you've won, hands down. Also, the nose of the dog is sensitive, if you stick your fingers/fingernails and scratch/rip, they will be in horrible pain. I know it's hard to do so, but this is apart from all the other things. I don't think they can drop you to the ground, so you have weight to your advantage. Fuck it, if he won't get off your arm you can literally body-slam it, drop your whole weight on top of the dog while he's ripping your arm apart. The only thing I would really be afraid of is their speed, ability to dodge your kicks or get out of the way of your attempts to gouge/rip/etc. Their strength is not as impressive as some people think. And their bite force is as strong as a human's, albeit they have much scarier teeth.
Mm. Yeah. I think I haven't been giving humans enough credit. I actually had a hard time finding cases where a human in good condition in their teens/twenties died to a dog attack. Those that did die were usually incapacitated in some manner (eg having a seizure) or there were multiple dogs involved. On the other hand there are a couple of accounts of people just strangling dogs (pit bulls) without any special technique, so it's definitely possible.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-18950751
This might be interesting and informative on the debate. Two dogs accidentally unleashed and they rampage and injure 8 people before being subdued by police. Don't think the average person would have much of a chance one on one, although probably most reasonably fit young men would.
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Being attacked by a dog in the street is not the same situation as being in a closed room in 1v1 situation. In the street you would try to escape rather than fight the dog
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On July 23 2012 18:55 Dawg_Snow wrote:
Being attacked by a dog in the street is not the same situation as being in a closed room in 1v1 situation. In the street you would try to escape rather than fight the dog
Yeah, I think this is the main point that evades people when thinking about the debate. We've all seen savage dogs, or rabid, or generally set-to-kill dogs, but we've rarely seen a human caged and facing death. I'm telling you, we're much deadlier than you think when it comes to our own lives. When you know it's you or the dog, the dog's changes go down dramatically.
There are several incidents when people in life-or-death situations did incredible super-human things, and you guys are saying that we couldn't kill a 20kg dog?
Also this: http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/37069754.html
A 9-year-old Bakersfield boy is being called a hero after he saved a girl and her dog from a larger dog that attacked them.
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Heredia said he jumped on the larger dog and applied a choke hold that he learned while taking classes at a Brazilian jiujitsu studio in southwest Bakersfield.
He said he held the larger dog for 20 minutes until an animal control officer arrived.
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Animal control officers later identified the dog as a mutt comprised of pit bull, shar-pei and rottweiler.
And he was 9. :|
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Ok, white shark vs alligator
Who would win?
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Such a strange thing to debate O_o
Let's do human vs chimp.. Much cooler..
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The human wins.. no doubt about it.
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On July 23 2012 19:44 infii wrote:
Ok, white shark vs alligator
Who would win?
i think that in a closed room without water the alligator would win. 
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bruce lee will whip the dogs ass.
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MC v MVP v Nestea in a cage, who will win? :D
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On July 23 2012 21:34 badboymav wrote:
MC v MVP v Nestea in a cage, who will win? :D
Incontrol
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Incontrol vs khaldor, i bet on khaldor
On May 26 2008 14:39 Failsafe wrote:
human martial arts surpasses dog martial arts. i'd favor any well-trained human against an unarmored dog.
as for the average human male, it really depends what region you're drawing from. your average frenchman will probably not fare well against your average german shepherd, but there's little hope for the german shepherd against your average zulu warrior.
skadoosh
what the actual fuck ?
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On July 23 2012 19:22 CubEdIn wrote:
There are several incidents when people in life-or-death situations did incredible super-human things, and you guys are saying that we couldn't kill a 20kg dog?
The poll says the dog is a German Sheppard.
They can be 65cm shoulder height and 40kg. Shouldnt compare that one to a 20kg puppy.
I think human would win if he uses his brain > poking in the eyes or whatever.
If you just look at bare fighting power, average human would have no chance.
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On July 23 2012 22:36 PlasticBrain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 19:22 CubEdIn wrote:
There are several incidents when people in life-or-death situations did incredible super-human things, and you guys are saying that we couldn't kill a 20kg dog? The poll says the dog is a German Sheppard. They can be 65cm shoulder height and 40kg. Shouldnt compare that one to a 20kg puppy. I think human would win if he uses his brain > poking in the eyes or whatever. If you just look at bare fighting power, average human would have no chance.
depends on average human, if its 40kg shepherd, like average asian is like 165 60kg or something, while average nordic is like 185cm 85kg, ofc asian would have alot more problem than nordic.
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On July 23 2012 22:35 Dawg_Snow wrote:Incontrol vs khaldor, i bet on khaldor Show nested quote +On May 26 2008 14:39 Failsafe wrote:
human martial arts surpasses dog martial arts. i'd favor any well-trained human against an unarmored dog.
as for the average human male, it really depends what region you're drawing from. your average frenchman will probably not fare well against your average german shepherd, but there's little hope for the german shepherd against your average zulu warrior.
skadoosh what the actual fuck ?
French man
German shepard
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