EPT[Poll] Dog vs. Human - Page 53
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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CaptainAmerica
United States89 Posts
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
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autoexec
United States530 Posts
On July 23 2012 09:37 ShakAttaK wrote: Dog will ruin your day. On July 23 2012 09:32 CaptainAmerica wrote: I don't usually fight dogs, but when I do....I win. Notice his name. He will ruin the dog's day  | ||
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Dbla08
United States211 Posts
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On July 23 2012 09:46 Dbla08 wrote: it depends on what dog really..i can kill a chihuahua with one hand, if one of my newfoundlands wanted to kill me though i'd only be able to stop them by being more nimble/flexible/agile. if you can get to their backs they can't stop you, playing with 150 lb dogs that sometimes get overexcited has tought me how to fight dogs though..lol It's a german shepherd, please read the OP. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
People might underestimate what a dog can do. Yes, if you can kick it properly you're ok, but for example we spent about 2 minutes kicking a pitbull AND using a powerhose to keep it from killing the shepherd it fought and it didn't let go. Asedative took a minute to take effect. It's like, yes kicking a wolf that hunts you will work, but you dont see many cases of wolf attacks (or single, wild animals) attacking people, the person surviving and saying oh I just kicked it!  Had to type this with one hand... lol. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
Well technically his statement is true. It does depend on the dog. In my example I used a pitbull, but both dogs were evenly sized and the shepherd could/was just as vicious. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On July 23 2012 09:46 Dbla08 wrote: it depends on what dog really..i can kill a chihuahua with one hand, if one of my newfoundlands wanted to kill me though i'd only be able to stop them by being more nimble/flexible/agile. if you can get to their backs they can't stop you, playing with 150 lb dogs that sometimes get overexcited has tought me how to fight dogs though..lol Newfies are great dogs. But when it comes to scary dogs, they really don't have the temperament or build to be the most brutal of dogs. They've got size, but they don't have the strongest bite or most aggressive attitude. They are rescue dogs, but I guess you could make one pretty mean if you abused it/neglected it early on, as with any dog. Dogs I would not want to mess with are any bred-to-attack dogs, such as German Shepherds, Pinschers, Corsos, Akitas, etc... Some smaller dogs can be pretty brutal too, such as Pitbulls. I think in general people underestimate fighting a dog without a weapon (which includes a strong boot). Without, say, a boot, you're going to have a really hard time doing any damage to or avoiding any damage from a dog. My dad was attacked by a Chow recently, and the only way he was able to keep it at bay was by kicking it -- hard -- several times in the head as it leaped at him. With something bigger and deadlier, you're looking at a shockingly rough time. People who are saying "I'd just choke it" probably don't have a whole lot of experience grappling, let alone with another dog. It'd be pretty hard to get a solid choke on a dog without them being able to twist away. You'd need a limb trapped, and you'd need to get in very close, so I'm not sure how you'd avoid being bitten/scratched to pieces. If it's truly just an average dog without a "kill" instinct -- say, a Retriever, Lab or something relatively benign... Then I'd say an average human would win each time. Just remember that without any weapons whatsoever, including boots, you're not going to be able to do much, period, other than avoid getting caught in the neck/limbs. edit: Yup, I realize the OP includes that the dog is supposed to be a German Shepherd, but I figured I'd elaborate. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On July 23 2012 00:36 CubEdIn wrote: would you bet your life that the dog wins? Because that's basically what you're saying when voting for the dog. What? You're not betting anything. Where did you get this impression? On a separate note, about the "average person" thing. An "average person" isn't a male in their teens/early twenties in great athletic condition. That's already the top of the population in terms of ability. Also, a lot of people are poorly equipped to deal with the adrenaline response. It can lead just as easily to panic as it can to a battle trance, especially if you have a (even mild) fear of dogs. And many people are unprepared for the pain of what is effectively a row of knives piercing your flesh. People experience panic attacks, fainting, or other symptoms when just getting a needle, and I would expect even more would react badly to getting an armful of teeth. Even if you have time to "psych yourself up" for the fight beforehand, you can very easily psych yourself out and make things even worse for yourself. Your human intelligence can actually be a drawback in this case. If you're afraid, having time to think can make it incapacitating. It's funny that the mental aspect is so important, because it might be that both answers are right. If you believe that you can kill the dog, then you'll stay calm and win. If you believe the dog will kill you, then you'll panic and lose. | ||
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OODavey
Canada6 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On July 23 2012 10:08 OODavey wrote: This got me thinking. Humans are the only species on Earth that are really "brains over brawn". Considering that humans dominate all animals on earth because of their brainpower, I think it's unfair to compare the two in a situation where a dog obviously has a tremendous advantage. I think it would be reasonable to at least give the human better positioning or something to use as a weapon, because that's naturally what a human would do, use his/her brain to acquire an advantage. Realistically, this poll is not really allowing a human to use the scope of its capabilities. So, just looking at the physical side sure dogs win in this situation, percentage wise at least. But the only reason humans have come so far, seeing how weak we really are physically, is because of the big beautiful beast sitting up there in your noggin. Well, in the OP it does say the human gets "street clothes", so maybe you can stretch that to include a good pair of boots, which counts as a weapon. You most definitely can keep an 'average' dog at bay, at the very least, with a good round of brutal and accurate kicks to the head. Maybe with a smaller dog you could eventually knock it out and stomp on its head until it dies, following the rules of the post. I'm not sure the truly *average* person is capable of kicking hard and accurately in the heat of a sure threat, but we'll just have to assume so. Also, it must be against a dog that is truly average in nature... The OP mentions that the dog in this scenario is a German Shepherd though, so it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. A German Shepherd is far from average when it comes to its fighting ability, and would without a doubt crush a truly *average* person, and probably people far above average too. I like this thread because of some of the earlier answers here  | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On July 23 2012 10:08 OODavey wrote: This got me thinking. Humans are the only species on Earth that are really "brains over brawn". Considering that humans dominate all animals on earth because of their brainpower, I think it's unfair to compare the two in a situation where a dog obviously has a tremendous advantage. I think it would be reasonable to at least give the human better positioning or something to use as a weapon, because that's naturally what a human would do, use his/her brain to acquire an advantage. Realistically, this poll is not really allowing a human to use the scope of its capabilities. So, just looking at the physical side sure dogs win in this situation, percentage wise at least. But the only reason humans have come so far, seeing how weak we really are physically, is because of the big beautiful beast sitting up there in your noggin. Well, we already know that if you allow full use of intelligence, humans beat dogs... it's called civilization (or bringing a gun, if one on one). | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
On July 23 2012 10:08 OODavey wrote: This got me thinking. Humans are the only species on Earth that are really "brains over brawn". Considering that humans dominate all animals on earth because of their brainpower, I think it's unfair to compare the two in a situation where a dog obviously has a tremendous advantage. I think it would be reasonable to at least give the human better positioning or something to use as a weapon, because that's naturally what a human would do, use his/her brain to acquire an advantage. Realistically, this poll is not really allowing a human to use the scope of its capabilities. So, just looking at the physical side sure dogs win in this situation, percentage wise at least. But the only reason humans have come so far, seeing how weak we really are physically, is because of the big beautiful beast sitting up there in your noggin. human can still use his advantages in this scenario, given that he can prepare for the fight. He can study the behavior of the species, simulate all sorts of strategies in his head (premeditation/forethought) before encountering, conceptualizing what we can try and what might fail/succeed eliminates alot of trial and error. Animals are better at instinct and learning from experience, but they cannot do what we do mentioned above and thus cannot prepare for what they have never encountered before. It's really the only chance the humans got in this fight imo. everything else is overwhelmingly the dog. | ||
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PassionFruit
294 Posts
Put a dog in a chokehold? Da hell? How do you even get into that position? You leap on top of him? Evena bjj guy would have trouble getting into a proper position to choke a dog out. Dogs are fast and slippery animals. More agile than the avg. man for sure. Poke the eyes of a dog? lol. As if the avg man has superb Jaedong poke harass ability. Kick the dog in the head? Good luck with that. You've obviously never tried to kick a fast moving target before. You might get lucky and connect, but even then it'll prolly be a glance. But more likely than not you'll miss, be unbalanced, and it's gg son. What the hell are up with the responses? I guess there's a gray area depending on the actual fight, but to say that a human will win gg no re, that's plain ignorance. It's like a bronze player theorycrafting an engagement between Stephano and Polt and saying he knows who is going to win. Fucking stupid. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Depends on the situation. Am I aware of the situation like I'll fight a dog in 15 minutes and can prepare (mentally) or is it a fight, NOW situation? Pretty sure I'd lose 99% of the time in the 2nd one. I'd probably be able to give him a kick that will result in us both falling to the ground. The dog because of the kick and I'd probably fall over because it's still 25-30kg (idk? I've got a small dog, he's 18kg and he's only a littler taller than my knee-height?) ramming me head on no matter if I hit him decently or not, while still standing on just one foot. I don't really know about that though. I'm not doing martial arts and I never had to kick a heavy object rushing towards me like a dog, so that's only a guess. Once I'm down I don't really see this going well anymore. Even if I don't fall over from 30kg ramming me the first time I'd surely fall over eventually. If it's prepared and without panicing I'd probably had better chance but I'd still get owned without having a lot of chances. Like the first one is pretty much impossible imo because I'd maybe get a single kick out and panic like crazy but in this scenario I'd at least have a chance although I don't really know how to fight a dog. Some guys said kicking it's head is not going to kill a dog. If it's enough to make him dizzy that would be a way to start. I doubt getting a hold on a dog for choking is possible. Either way, dog wins vs me for sure. I'd have no chances unprepared and I'd probably have a slight chance tops if I were prepared ahead of time. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 23 2012 10:38 overt wrote: Man already won. We fucking invented dogs. Dogs are our bitches. the world didn't start as one human and one wolf in a room though, so while this is haha-clever, it has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is asking explicitly if a man or a dog would win in a fight starting in a room, one on one | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
Lions weigh 550 lbs and compared to a human, that's about the proportionate disparity between a human and a dog. Yea dogs are faster and have a much stronger bite than humans, but human punches and kicks alone are enough force to lift a 65 lb dog into the air, break bones, and damage organs. If it's a fight to the death the human would ignore injury. The only thing that would render him incapable of fighting would be an immediate attack to the juggler. Even if your arms are shredded they can hit the dog with the force of a baseball bat. Personally I'd shove my hand as far down into the dogs throat as I could, lay on top of him, and smash his head into the ground repeatedly. Not a dog fight expert, but seems like it would give me a pretty good chance lol. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
Saying people never get into dog fight is lol, because in dog fight people were mostly thinking about getting away, not killing it. Yes, you don't poke its eyes out using kungfu, but even in desperate situation, your hand can still make its way to his eyes, scratching out like a savage or barbarian. Pushing your hand deep down dog's throat. You would give everything you've got, because when pushed to the edge, human can still achieve amazing feats. | ||
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