EPT[Poll] Dog vs. Human - Page 52
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Thenerf
United States258 Posts
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On July 23 2012 00:06 gtrsrs wrote: i've survived a dog attack too... but surviving a dog attack is not what this poll is about this poll explicitly mentions fighting to the death. when my 6-lb toy poodle/cocker-spaniel mix bites me when i play too rough with her, it hurts like hell. she's 13 years old and her teeth still puncture my skin. when that happens, i, a normal, 6'1" 185-lb 24-yo male, will always on instinct withdraw my hand. now scale my dog up to 10x her weight and size, and put her in the prime of her life at 3-5 years old. now if she bites me, the pain will literally be too much to bear. she's has like 24 three-inch knives in her mouth. any bite anywhere is going to cause massive damage and more importantly massive pain. i've been assaulted by a single human before. he sucker-punched me and knocked me to the floor. the rest of the "fight" was him pummeling me while i was down while i unsuccessfully tried to protect myself and slowly lost consciousness. fights are 80%+ of the time going to be determined by the first hit (or in the dog's case, bite). pain has massive negative effects on humans, especially normal, modern-day humans. so the question comes down to would you be able to kill a dog before it got its first bite on you. and if you honestly think that with no training, that you, a normal-sized human could dodge/deflect/absorb a bite/lunge from a creature that has 0% body fat and can run 5-6x faster than you and jump 3-4x it's own height, i strongly suggest you make friends with your local billionaire so he can start outfitting you with gear, because you my friend are a real-life batman You won't feel or be incapacitated by the pain after the first 10 seconds. Human beings are animals that have well evolved internal mechanisms for dealing with a fight to the deal with a wild animal. Part of that is shutting down pain. Ever hear of soldiers who get an arm blown off and don't even realize it? That's what you'll experience. Your body has ways to turn off pain when it's smart to do so - a fight to the death with an animal will trigger that. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
in the same way, once a dog takes a bite out of your arm and takes half of your muscle mass with it, you might not keel over from the pain immediately but that arm is done for. you think you're going to have the same effect on a dog with it's thick fur and skin? i would put dollars to donuts that 99% of the people in this thread have never even seen a dog bleed lol | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On July 22 2012 04:57 Xiphos wrote: NOBODY have EVER thought of biting the dog in the neck themselves? I think that would be a viable strategy for those whose hand strength aren't that developed yet. a guy barehanded a starving determined and injured 200 lb black bear that way. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On July 23 2012 00:21 gtrsrs wrote: yes, but that soldier can't really use that arm once it's blown off can he? in the same way, once a dog takes a bite out of your arm and takes half of your muscle mass with it, you might not keel over from the pain immediately but that arm is done for. you think you're going to have the same effect on a dog with it's thick fur and skin? i would put dollars to donuts that 99% of the people in this thread have never even seen a dog bleed lol First instinct is to put out your arm for the dog to grab, which it will do 90% of the time. If you know you are fighting to the death, first thing I would try to do is use my other army to gouge one of his eyes out, both if it works. I seriously doubt a blind dog can put up much of a fight. Even things like trying to shred their nose might work, you don't have to rip off their throat or anything like that. The only real advantage humans have is brains. So just try to incapacitate him. Can't say that it's gonna work, but I've seen someone break a dog's (German Shepherd actually) jaw with their bare hands. German Shepherds have relatively small bite force (230ish pounds of force, much like a human bite on their molars). I'm not saying human wins 100% of the time, I'm saying that if I were trapped in a room with a German Shepherd, I'd walk out of there alive. And if you guys don't believe that, think of it this way: would you bet your life that the dog wins? Because that's basically what you're saying when voting for the dog. And humans are pretty strong when facing death. | ||
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Knee_of_Justice
United States388 Posts
On July 23 2012 00:06 gtrsrs wrote: i've survived a dog attack too... but surviving a dog attack is not what this poll is about this poll explicitly mentions fighting to the death. when my 6-lb toy poodle/cocker-spaniel mix bites me when i play too rough with her, it hurts like hell. she's 13 years old and her teeth still puncture my skin. when that happens, i, a normal, 6'1" 185-lb 24-yo male, will always on instinct withdraw my hand. now scale my dog up to 10x her weight and size, and put her in the prime of her life at 3-5 years old. now if she bites me, the pain will literally be too much to bear. she's has like 24 three-inch knives in her mouth. any bite anywhere is going to cause massive damage and more importantly massive pain. i've been assaulted by a single human before. he sucker-punched me and knocked me to the floor. the rest of the "fight" was him pummeling me while i was down while i unsuccessfully tried to protect myself and slowly lost consciousness. fights are 80%+ of the time going to be determined by the first hit (or in the dog's case, bite). pain has massive negative effects on humans, especially normal, modern-day humans. so the question comes down to would you be able to kill a dog before it got its first bite on you. and if you honestly think that with no training, that you, a normal-sized human could dodge/deflect/absorb a bite/lunge from a creature that has 0% body fat and can run 5-6x faster than you and jump 3-4x it's own height, i strongly suggest you make friends with your local billionaire so he can start outfitting you with gear, because you my friend are a real-life batman Even Batman (in the Dark Knight) gets hurt by an attack dog and he's wearing his suit, plus all of his weapons. Of course it's not anything like this scenario, but dogs are still extremely dangerous. Combatants: An average American male is about 5ft 10inches (177.8cm) according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height and if "healthy," according to BMI charts, should be between 130 and 170 pounds (59-77kg). An average Male German Shepherd is, according to wikipedia, 24–26 in (60–65 cm) and weighs, according to a cursory search on google ("german shepherd weight") 48.5–88.2 lbs (22–40 kg) That's actually a significant amount of variance. a 90 pound dog is going to be a lot more difficult to hold off than a 60 pound dog. So let's assume a 70-80 pound dog, even if that is not technically "average" Battleground: "A regular sized room:" We should imagine a square room with nothing in it except two doors which will be immediately closed once the combatants enter the ring. We should assume that the human knows that it is a fight to the death and have been able to prepare himself mentally for the ordeal and is healthy in terms of food, hydration, etc. For the dog, we should assume that they haven't been starved, but that maybe they haven't eaten for a day or two. This will raise their aggression without harming them in terms of their nutrition. In such a small place, the dog will not be able to gain maximum speed and the human will be able to prop himself against a wall or in a corner, which might allow him to support himself, gain leverage, and use as a defensive position from which to cover his weak spots. The presence of street clothes means that even without any tools, the human still has some tools to use to his advantage: clothes can be used to wrap around the arm for protection. A human that stays in the corner and uses his superior weight, range and leverage against the smaller dog should be able to defend themself fairly well but will probably suffer some serious wounds in the process. If the human can stay upright using the wall for support, or fend the dog off while dealing damage and tiring the dog out, he may be able to go on the offensive when the dog is weaker. More probably, the dog would manage to knock the human down, and from there, it's up to the human to get control of the dog's neck using his weight as an advantage. Maybe a shirt can be used as a collar to choke/control the dog? Love this thread. So ridiculous. Been thinking about it all day. | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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~~Kyo~~
United States97 Posts
can anyone try to find the thread where if one martial artist can take on 100 kids or one person with a bat vs a person with a gun with a bullet?? i tried to locate it and hav no luck.. | ||
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MMOwnageSports
United Kingdom300 Posts
 Most people have said depends on the guy.. but it also depends on the dog.. if it's a fighting dog or a police dog it'd rofl stomp most people and i know 2 people who have been taken down by police dogs and: 1) They weigh around the same size as you 2) On hine legs are the same size as most men 3) If they get your neck.. your FUCKED. | ||
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autoexec
United States530 Posts
On July 23 2012 05:08 ~~Kyo~~ wrote: this thread reminds me... can anyone try to find the thread where if one martial artist can take on 100 kids or one person with a bat vs a person with a gun with a bullet?? i tried to locate it and hav no luck.. The martial artist one sounds like the "how many 5 year olds can you take" thread which I mentioned earlier. There was talk about how many a martial artist could take at the end. And the person with the fun should win cause they shoot them in the chest and let them bleed and run away. When they are exhausted from blood loss it's g.g.  On topic: If it's AVERAGE house dog vs. AVERAGE human the human should win because we are much more intelligent and are less predictable. Also house dogs usually don't have "killer instincts" so that would make it even easier. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On July 23 2012 05:30 autoexec wrote: The martial artist one sounds like the "how many 5 year olds can you take" thread which I mentioned earlier. There was talk about how many a martial artist could take at the end. And the person with the fun should win cause they shoot them in the chest and let them bleed and run away. When they are exhausted from blood loss it's g.g. On topic: If it's AVERAGE house dog vs. AVERAGE human the human should win because we are much more intelligent and are less predictable. Also house dogs usually don't have "killer instincts" so that would make it even easier. It's set out on killing you. House dog or not it's still a wild animal. No matter how much we domesticate something it's nature is still wild. It still has "killer instincts" they just don't display them. There's a reason pet owners still get killed or attacked by their pets. In the end, it's a wild animal. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
A full grown German Shephard is a different thing entirely though. They're big dogs, and they're more well built than most dogs their size so they're pretty heavy. I think if the dog ran at the average man it would knock them down and if you're on the floor with a full size GSD on top of you then you're fucked, because that dog is going straight for your neck. | ||
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Psychobabas
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AngelOvUriel
Cuba91 Posts
edit: I own a half wolf dog/german sherperd/doverman mix (fyi) | ||
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BerserKr
Chile101 Posts
It was a shitty situation and I love dogs, wouldnt intentionally harm any animal ever just for "fun" or whatever, but yeah a normal medium sized dog v/s a person I'd say the person would win, the dog is limited to his mouth, we have our mouth hands and feet. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 23 2012 07:43 BerserKr wrote: I have actually been through this situation, I was about 15 playing tennis with my cousin and a medium sized dog just went at me with the purpose of probably hurt me badly, I grabed him by the throat and just crushed it, I think the tension and adrenalin played a huge rol because I was a normal kid, didnt do martial arts or anything, I'm strong but nothing out of the world to be perfectly honest. The whole thing was a bit shocking and out of pure nervousness and rage induced rampage I kept squeezing my hand when the dog was already gone. It was a shitty situation and I love dogs, wouldnt intentionally harm any animal ever just for "fun" or whatever, but yeah a normal medium sized dog v/s a person I'd say the person would win, the dog is limited to his mouth, we have our mouth hands and feet. Holy shit that's crazy. I agree that the human should win, but it completely depends. You can't just say 'an average human' or 'an average dog', that is way too vague. | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
if the humans is wearing your average basketball shoes no contest. the sole of the basketball shoes would help you kick repeatedly without too much damage. Human will win with some injuries but will win. timing and distance is important. | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
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scaban84
United States1080 Posts
On July 23 2012 07:56 zimz wrote: Now if your talking about a police trained dog that is a different story. it would need a very good shape human being. Police trained dogs are not trained to kill. They are trained to grab a hold of the arm holding the weapon, thats it. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
I consider myself pretty big, about 5'8' 225lbs. That said, I think this dog would have a huge advantage over me still. If this dog were driven to be bloodthirsty, then I would be shitting bricks because he is BIG AND STRONG WITH A FUCKING HUGE MOUTH. I have no doubt in my mind that if he got a good bite at my jugular or crotch area, Id be good as dead. But this goes without saying, what if I were to be driven to be bloodthirsty as well? Has anyone stopped to consider the potential of how crazy humans get when theyre in a murderous state? They turn into monsters. All in all, I think it would be a semi-close match. So many factors to consider, but if a human were to be pushed to the edge, then he definitely would do unimaginable things (UNIMAGINABLE THINGS). Dogs, I think we have seen the full potential of what they're capable of. Humans? Better think again. Note: If I were to fight my German Shepard I would prolly lose rofl. Hes really fcking big, like seriously fcking big, haha. I would have to be in a seriously fcked up mental state if I were to take him on. | ||
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