On November 08 2007 01:28 lugggy wrote: If time travel is possible, then people would be visiting our time, which means the future already happened, we don't really have free will, but then they are changing the past but then that was what already happened to make time travel and everything else happen. So I have to wonder how come nobody from any point after now seems to be traveling to our time. IMO going to "parallel universes" is not really time travel, it's just travel.
This is a good point. One explanation to why we dont see people coming from the future might be that you need to construct an entrance and an exit to make this possible and until we contruct an exit people are unable to travel here. We could just happend to live in a branch of the universe which happends to be unvissited from the future.
On November 08 2007 01:28 Fen wrote: Everything that you do in the past has already happened. You dont change a single thing if you go back in time, everything will end up playing out the way it already has. The effects you have on the past have already happened. You could try as much as possible to murder your grandfather in the past, but youve already tried, youve already failed before youve started. You know this because your alive. Maybe you do get a gun to your grandfathers head, he changes his life, the change that he makes to his life is most likely the reason you are alive.
So in your opinion the only time someone can travel to the past is if you have already arrived in the past before? You are then forced to travel to the past to fulfill your destiny of arriving in the past?
Yup, exactly. However I dont believe time travel to the past is possible. Time travel to the future is theoretically possible if you can go REALLLY fast, youd be able to arrive at your destination before the light emmitted by you leaving arrives. Therefore if you looked back, you could see yourself leaving. But then your still not really time travelling.
Ok then I understand your point. The question in the OP was "How do you think time travel would work if it was possible?" If time travel in the sense of going back in time is impossible then I agree with you but thats not realy what I asked for
On November 08 2007 01:46 CrownRoyal wrote: Knowing that you must go halfway to an object to reach it you can never really reach your destination because you must always go halfway to get there and you can't go halfway and make it completely somewhere; You just keep halving forever. To make it to a destination you must actually exert effort enough to make it beyond your destination, at least a very very small bit.
Isn't that a really stupid argument if you consider that you can easily walk from your chair to the door, even though you can always halve the distance between the two positions?
What I mean is the infinite series of 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 converges to 1, you don't have to go "over 1".
On November 08 2007 01:28 Fen wrote: Everything that you do in the past has already happened. You dont change a single thing if you go back in time, everything will end up playing out the way it already has. The effects you have on the past have already happened. You could try as much as possible to murder your grandfather in the past, but youve already tried, youve already failed before youve started. You know this because your alive. Maybe you do get a gun to your grandfathers head, he changes his life, the change that he makes to his life is most likely the reason you are alive.
So in your opinion the only time someone can travel to the past is if you have already arrived in the past before? You are then forced to travel to the past to fulfill your destiny of arriving in the past?
Yup, exactly. However I dont believe time travel to the past is possible. Time travel to the future is theoretically possible if you can go REALLLY fast, youd be able to arrive at your destination before the light emmitted by you leaving arrives. Therefore if you looked back, you could see yourself leaving. But then your still not really time travelling.
Wait, I thought the fasted matter can go is at the speed of light. then it disintegrates or something :S?
As matter moves at a faster rate, it becomes heavier. Acording to Einstein, the speed of light is the fastest possible speed. As you reach the speed of light you get heavier and heavier, at the speed of light itself, you are infinitely heavy. Reaching this speed also would require an infinite amount of energy. However if you did manage to reach the speed of light and did become of infinite mass, you would create a gravity well of infinite proportions, effectively sucking the entire universe into yourself, and quite possibly creating another big bang.
I say i went back in time yesterday. I went back 1 hour. Then I relived that hour. But I did everything exactly the same. Right now i'm moving forward in time.
On November 08 2007 01:28 Fen wrote: Everything that you do in the past has already happened. You dont change a single thing if you go back in time, everything will end up playing out the way it already has. The effects you have on the past have already happened. You could try as much as possible to murder your grandfather in the past, but youve already tried, youve already failed before youve started. You know this because your alive. Maybe you do get a gun to your grandfathers head, he changes his life, the change that he makes to his life is most likely the reason you are alive.
So in your opinion the only time someone can travel to the past is if you have already arrived in the past before? You are then forced to travel to the past to fulfill your destiny of arriving in the past?
Yup, exactly. However I dont believe time travel to the past is possible. Time travel to the future is theoretically possible if you can go REALLLY fast, youd be able to arrive at your destination before the light emmitted by you leaving arrives. Therefore if you looked back, you could see yourself leaving. But then your still not really time travelling.
Wait, I thought the fasted matter can go is at the speed of light. then it disintegrates or something :S?
As matter moves at a faster rate, it becomes heavier. Acording to Einstein, the speed of light is the fastest possible speed. As you reach the speed of light you get heavier and heavier, at the speed of light itself, you are infinitely heavy. Reaching this speed also would require an infinite amount of energy. However if you did manage to reach the speed of light and did become of infinite mass, you would create a gravity well of infinite proportions, effectively sucking the entire universe into yourself, and quite possibly creating another big bang.
On November 08 2007 01:28 lugggy wrote: If time travel is possible, then people would be visiting our time, which means the future already happened, we don't really have free will, but then they are changing the past but then that was what already happened to make time travel and everything else happen. So I have to wonder how come nobody from any point after now seems to be traveling to our time. IMO going to "parallel universes" is not really time travel, it's just travel.
This is a good point. One explanation to why we dont see people coming from the future might be that you need to construct an entrance and an exit to make this possible and until we contruct an exit people are unable to travel here. We could just happend to live in a branch of the universe which happends to be unvissited from the future.
On November 08 2007 01:28 Fen wrote: Everything that you do in the past has already happened. You dont change a single thing if you go back in time, everything will end up playing out the way it already has. The effects you have on the past have already happened. You could try as much as possible to murder your grandfather in the past, but youve already tried, youve already failed before youve started. You know this because your alive. Maybe you do get a gun to your grandfathers head, he changes his life, the change that he makes to his life is most likely the reason you are alive.
So in your opinion the only time someone can travel to the past is if you have already arrived in the past before? You are then forced to travel to the past to fulfill your destiny of arriving in the past?
Yup, exactly. However I dont believe time travel to the past is possible. Time travel to the future is theoretically possible if you can go REALLLY fast, youd be able to arrive at your destination before the light emmitted by you leaving arrives. Therefore if you looked back, you could see yourself leaving. But then your still not really time travelling.
Ok then I understand your point. The question in the OP was "How do you think time travel would work if it was possible?" If time travel in the sense of going back in time is impossible then I agree with you but thats not realy what I asked for
Well this discussion is theoretical (unless your not telling us something). I dont believe that time travel is possible due to the physical limitations of moving matter backwards in time. If this boundary could be overcome, then theoretically time travel could be very possible.
I think that time travel into the past would prove that fate exists. When you are not in your natural time frame, you are fated to do certain things. This is already proved due to the fact that you existed in your original natural time frame.
On November 08 2007 01:28 Fen wrote: Everything that you do in the past has already happened. You dont change a single thing if you go back in time, everything will end up playing out the way it already has. The effects you have on the past have already happened. You could try as much as possible to murder your grandfather in the past, but youve already tried, youve already failed before youve started. You know this because your alive. Maybe you do get a gun to your grandfathers head, he changes his life, the change that he makes to his life is most likely the reason you are alive.
So in your opinion the only time someone can travel to the past is if you have already arrived in the past before? You are then forced to travel to the past to fulfill your destiny of arriving in the past?
Yup, exactly. However I dont believe time travel to the past is possible. Time travel to the future is theoretically possible if you can go REALLLY fast, youd be able to arrive at your destination before the light emmitted by you leaving arrives. Therefore if you looked back, you could see yourself leaving. But then your still not really time travelling.
Wait, I thought the fasted matter can go is at the speed of light. then it disintegrates or something :S?
As matter moves at a faster rate, it becomes heavier. Acording to Einstein, the speed of light is the fastest possible speed. As you reach the speed of light you get heavier and heavier, at the speed of light itself, you are infinitely heavy. Reaching this speed also would require an infinite amount of energy. However if you did manage to reach the speed of light and did become of infinite mass, you would create a gravity well of infinite proportions, effectively sucking the entire universe into yourself, and quite possibly creating another big bang.
source? or are you just making stuff up?
E=Mc2
Energy = Mass x speed of light squared. Einstein states that the speed of light is a constant. By rearranging that, you get what Ive pointed out in my statement.
The whole gravity well thing comes from the fact that objects with large masses create gravitational pull. If your mass is infinity, then you have infinity gravitational pull.
On November 08 2007 01:46 CrownRoyal wrote: i'm sure someone has thought of this before but this is in my opinion why you cannot go forward in time or back in time by going "really fast"
To our knowledge the fastest anything can move is light, and it is the #1 speeddemon bigdaddy. knowing this I propose this.
Knowing that you must go halfway to an object to reach it you can never really reach your destination because you must always go halfway to get there and you can't go halfway and make it completely somewhere; You just keep halving forever. To make it to a destination you must actually exert effort enough to make it beyond your destination, at least a very very small bit.
knowing that there is no energy that can move faster than the speed of light, it is impossible to even attain the speed of light and thus moving "really fast" to beat the speed of light is impossible.
On November 08 2007 01:46 CrownRoyal wrote: Knowing that you must go halfway to an object to reach it you can never really reach your destination because you must always go halfway to get there and you can't go halfway and make it completely somewhere; You just keep halving forever. To make it to a destination you must actually exert effort enough to make it beyond your destination, at least a very very small bit.
Isn't that a really stupid argument if you consider that you can easily walk from your chair to the door, even though you can always halve the distance between the two positions?
What I mean is the infinite series of 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 converges to 1, you don't have to go "over 1".
But youd never reach 1 if you keep halving the distance.
On November 08 2007 01:46 CrownRoyal wrote: Knowing that you must go halfway to an object to reach it you can never really reach your destination because you must always go halfway to get there and you can't go halfway and make it completely somewhere; You just keep halving forever. To make it to a destination you must actually exert effort enough to make it beyond your destination, at least a very very small bit.
Isn't that a really stupid argument if you consider that you can easily walk from your chair to the door, even though you can always halve the distance between the two positions?
What I mean is the infinite series of 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 converges to 1, you don't have to go "over 1".
ok, on your way from your chair to the door do you walk halfway there?
half way there, do you walk half way more to the door?
On November 08 2007 01:34 CrownRoyal wrote: and all things being predecided most certainly does not make time travel impossible?
Let me put it this way, I believe that for time travel to be possible at all, all time must be predecided, which means free will doesn't exist. It would also mean that everything in the past and future allready happend. I believe in free will, therefore I also believe any kind of time travel impossible.
On November 08 2007 01:28 lugggy wrote: If time travel is possible, then people would be visiting our time, which means the future already happened, we don't really have free will, but then they are changing the past but then that was what already happened to make time travel and everything else happen. So I have to wonder how come nobody from any point after now seems to be traveling to our time. IMO going to "parallel universes" is not really time travel, it's just travel.
This is a good point. One explanation to why we dont see people coming from the future might be that you need to construct an entrance and an exit to make this possible and until we contruct an exit people are unable to travel here. We could just happend to live in a branch of the universe which happends to be unvissited from the future.
On November 08 2007 01:37 Fen wrote:
On November 08 2007 01:32 DrainX wrote:
On November 08 2007 01:28 Fen wrote: Everything that you do in the past has already happened. You dont change a single thing if you go back in time, everything will end up playing out the way it already has. The effects you have on the past have already happened. You could try as much as possible to murder your grandfather in the past, but youve already tried, youve already failed before youve started. You know this because your alive. Maybe you do get a gun to your grandfathers head, he changes his life, the change that he makes to his life is most likely the reason you are alive.
So in your opinion the only time someone can travel to the past is if you have already arrived in the past before? You are then forced to travel to the past to fulfill your destiny of arriving in the past?
Yup, exactly. However I dont believe time travel to the past is possible. Time travel to the future is theoretically possible if you can go REALLLY fast, youd be able to arrive at your destination before the light emmitted by you leaving arrives. Therefore if you looked back, you could see yourself leaving. But then your still not really time travelling.
Ok then I understand your point. The question in the OP was "How do you think time travel would work if it was possible?" If time travel in the sense of going back in time is impossible then I agree with you but thats not realy what I asked for
Well this discussion is theoretical (unless your not telling us something). I dont believe that time travel is possible due to the physical limitations of moving matter backwards in time. If this boundary could be overcome, then theoretically time travel could be very possible.
I think that time travel into the past would prove that fate exists. When you are not in your natural time frame, you are fated to do certain things. This is already proved due to the fact that you existed in your original natural time frame.
What if time travel to the past was possible. Whats wrong with the parallel universes/alternate timelines view in your oppinion? Just the strangeness of the concept? I think it has all the traits of your view but also in addition to that it solves the problem with free will. If you believe in free will that is.
On November 08 2007 01:34 CrownRoyal wrote: and all things being predecided most certainly does not make time travel impossible?
Let me put it this way, I believe that for time travel to be possible at all, all time must be predecided, which means free will doesn't exist. It would also mean that everything in the past and future allready happend. I believe in free will, therefore I also believe any kind of time travel impossible.
With parallel universes/alternate timelines you can have free will Where free will would be represented by the route you travel along the "tree" of possible futures.
On November 08 2007 01:34 CrownRoyal wrote: and all things being predecided most certainly does not make time travel impossible?
Let me put it this way, I believe that for time travel to be possible at all, all time must be predecided, which means free will doesn't exist. It would also mean that everything in the past and future allready happend. I believe in free will, therefore I also believe any kind of time travel impossible.
It's an entirely different subject but I find free will to be completely false.
On November 08 2007 01:46 CrownRoyal wrote: i'm sure someone has thought of this before but this is in my opinion why you cannot go forward in time or back in time by going "really fast"
To our knowledge the fastest anything can move is light, and it is the #1 speeddemon bigdaddy. knowing this I propose this.
Knowing that you must go halfway to an object to reach it you can never really reach your destination because you must always go halfway to get there and you can't go halfway and make it completely somewhere; You just keep halving forever. To make it to a destination you must actually exert effort enough to make it beyond your destination, at least a very very small bit.
knowing that there is no energy that can move faster than the speed of light, it is impossible to even attain the speed of light and thus moving "really fast" to beat the speed of light is impossible.
The basis for your logic there is flawed, but nonetheless following it: If you were trying to attain the speed that was an increment before light, so you travel at the speed of light to reach it, attaining the speed of light.
On November 08 2007 01:34 CrownRoyal wrote: and all things being predecided most certainly does not make time travel impossible?
Let me put it this way, I believe that for time travel to be possible at all, all time must be predecided, which means free will doesn't exist. It would also mean that everything in the past and future allready happend. I believe in free will, therefore I also believe any kind of time travel impossible.
It's an entirely different subject but I find free will to be completely false.
everything has an equation.
Can you give me an equation that will predict at which time intervals I will post (i.e. predict each one for all past posts and all future posts down to the second?).
EPT
