EPTread the very next fucking sentence
"however, determinists believe that the level to which human beings have influence over their future is itself dependent on present and past."
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
read the very next fucking sentence "however, determinists believe that the level to which human beings have influence over their future is itself dependent on present and past." | ||
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
Going forward in time can be done. As you approach the speed of light time of the moving object goes slower. Stasis is forward time travel. It has less usefull purpose if you can't go back to use information you gained in the future. The multiverse model is a mess but it the only model that could work. But what are the odds of being in timeline where the timetravellers are not noticed, or not visited at all. Most likely explanation: there is no backwards timetravel. | ||
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Never Post
United Kingdom503 Posts
I'm talking about this: "My hypothesis is that it is possible to create an equation that will lay out the path of any man's life and if this is possible, free will is nonexistent and life isn't quite as magical as one might expect." That statement is only loosely determinism. Just because you have a mathematical equation doesn't mean you can perfectly predict everything (look up: chaos theory, quantum mechanics) So basically, determinism is a valid philosophical theory; but your idea only draws the same conclusion (even if in a flawed way), it doesn't have the same rigorous basis. If I end with a 0=0 proof it doesn't mean all the steps before were valid. | ||
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InkMonster
United States2 Posts
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
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Never Post
United Kingdom503 Posts
On November 08 2007 03:25 CrownRoyal wrote: look dude, if there is no free will then your fate is decided by something and it most certainly has to be an equation does it not? Uh, first of all your theory works the other way round: you're saying there is an equation therefore we have no free will. Secondly, just because you have an equation doesn't mean you can find suitable solutions. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2686 Posts
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
whatever, i dont even care, i'm not going to defend something i wrote that genuinely was not meant to be scientific in any way or fashion. I'm just making myself look like an idiot. | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
To go back in time you have to reconstruct the universe according to the state it was at that time. But this probably takes more energy than the universe holds.. Entropy etc yadda yadda. | ||
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Never Post
United Kingdom503 Posts
On November 08 2007 03:33 CrownRoyal wrote: dude its a fucking idea whatever, i dont even care, i'm not going to defend something i wrote that genuinely was not meant to be scientific in any way or fashion. I'm just making myself look like an idiot. Calling something an idea or opinion doesn't automatically immunise it from scrutiny, if anything it should be considered more carefully. If you can have your say, I can have mine. At the end of the day, it's always best if you learnt something, even if it's "damn, I need to learn more". I'm done for this thread, off to play some bw. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
This was posted about a year ago. Link It seemed though as if the discussion then was a bit different, more about string theory and less time travel and determinism. So if you dont think the discussion here is enough, you can go there for more read on the video. There you can also find the series "an elegant universe" which is a really nice introduction to strings and physics in higher dimensions.  Anyway, have fun guys.  | ||
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
I dont care about math, I dont care if there is some math that doesn't make sense or whatever else. You weren't criticizing anything except my intellect which i never claimed to be of a high stature in. dont even try to come off like you're some inspirating motivational individual. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On November 08 2007 02:39 Never Post wrote: This sounds remarkably similar to the "does .999... = 1" thing. People would benefit so much from learning just a bit more maths. I know I'm late but... You can't ever reach something if your destination is half the length of the required distance, it makes no sense. It's more like divide number by two infinitely and expecting it to reach zero. | ||
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wifeH
United States127 Posts
time traveling is impossible period hence a pointless thread. | ||
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
i can see more where you're coming from calling me retarded, i would do the same thing. oh well. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
to CrownRoyal Here is what I dont like about your argument: Say that the world was predetermined. Say that if you knew the exact state of the universe at one point you could predict the future until the end. If someone did predict the future couldnt he then choose not to follow that predicted future? If he tries to kill himself when the prediction says he goes shopping the next day what would stop him? Some divine force?  I just dont think it makes sense. | ||
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Never Post
United Kingdom503 Posts
On November 08 2007 03:55 mahnini wrote: I know I'm late but... You can't ever reach something if your destination is half the length of the required distance, it makes no sense. It's more like divide number by two infinitely and expecting it to reach zero. Ah, I didn't want to come back, but I like maths. Dividing by two infinitely is the same as multiplying by a half infinitely. x=(1/2)^n {where n tends to infinity, and x is "some number"} You can rigorously prove using "limits" that x tends to zero. I'm being careful and not saying 1/infinity = 0, because that's not mathematically correct. {http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/62486.html} | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On November 08 2007 03:55 mahnini wrote: I know I'm late but... You can't ever reach something if your destination is half the length of the required distance, it makes no sense. It's more like divide number by two infinitely and expecting it to reach zero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes#Proposed_solution_using_mathematical_series_notation I really like this possible solution: Main article: Planck lenght Another proposed solution to some of the paradoxes is to consider that space and time are not infinitely divisible. Just because our number system enables us to give a number between any two numbers, it does not necessarily follow that there is a point in space between any two different points in space, and the same goes for time. If space-time is not infinitely divisible (and thus not perfectly continuous), it is "discrete" (composed of “lumps” and “jumps”). This means that motion is, at the smallest physical level, may be a series of jumps from one quantum space-time coordinate to the next, each occurring over distance and time intervals that are not divisible into smaller measures.[2] Thus the total number of quantum jumps made while traversing from point A to point B would be finite, and there is no paradox. Btw the 0.999...=1 can be simply proved: 1/3=0.333... 1/3x3=0.999... But we know that 1/3x3=1, so 0.999...=1 | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On November 08 2007 02:52 NewbSaibot wrote: The Fourth Dimension of Time is a stable construct, though it is not impenetrable. Incidents when the fabric of the fourth dimension becomes corrupted are incredibly rare. If a Tangent Universe occurs, it will be highly unstable, sustaining itself for no longer than several weeks. Eventually it will collapse upon itself, forming a black hole within the Primary Universe capable of destroying all existence. Water and Metal are the key elements of Time Travel..Water is the barrier element for the construction of Time Portals used as gateways between Universes at the Tangent Vortex. Metal is the (transitional) element for the construction of Artifact Vessels. When a Tangent Universe occurs, those living nearest to the Vortex will find themselves at the epicenter of a dangerous new world. Artifacts provide the first sign that a Tangent Universe has occurred. If an Artifact occurs, the Living will retrieve it with great interest and curiosity. Artifacts returned to the Primary Universe are often linked to religious iconography; as their appearance on Earth seems to defy logical explanation. Divine Intervention is deemed the only logical con-. clusion for the appearance of the Artifact. The Living Receiver is chosen to guide the Artifact into position for it's journey back to the Primary Universe. No one knows how or why a Receiver will be chosen. The Living Receiver is often “blessed” with a Fourth Dimensional Power(s). These include increased strength, telekinesis, mind control, and the ability to conjure fire and water. The Living Receiver is often tormented by terrifying dreams, visions and auditory hallucinations during his time within the Tangent Universe. Those surrounding the Living Receiver, known as the Manipulated, will fear him and try to destroy him. The Manipulated Living are often the close friends and neighbors of the Living Receiver. They are prone to irrational, bizarre, and often violent behavior. This is the unfortunate result of their task, which is to assist the Living Receiver in returning the Artifact to the Primary Universe..The Manipulated Living will do anything to save themselves from Oblivion I will explain more later. Haha I had to watch the movie in preparation for an english exam, and I had no clue what was going on. | ||
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