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mounteast0
59 Posts
On August 30 2022 18:25 Manit0u wrote: You know people can measure temperature independently? ![[image loading]](https://img2.chinadaily.com.cn/images/202207/14/62cf60eaa310fd2bec9621cd.jpeg) This image comes from Shanghai supposedly. ![[image loading]](https://www.forbesindia.com/media/images/2022/Aug/img_191987_gettyimages-1414193221_bg.jpg) This one I don't know where it was taken. And you think that is a reliable method or source for accurate measurement of temperature in a region (i.e. district / city / province). | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
This rule of thumb applies to things like: population growth https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/chinese-population-smaller-than-stated-and-shrinking-fast-by-yi-fuxian-2022-07, COVID-19 deaths https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61117738, natural disasters https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1009524/officials-deliberately-hid-deaths-during-henan-floods,-report-finds#:~:text=The floods killed 398 people,July, according to the report., central Asians getting genocided, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide and so on and so forth. | ||
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ghost776
4 Posts
As a fact , China did manipulated temps in history, I heard of such things in the 90s or early 2000s, so construction workers were still allowed to work under the sun. Nowadays things are different, most working places are equipped with air-conditioners, I am in the air-conditioning industry, I know what's going on here, a reliable quality 1.5HP wall-mounted split type inverter air conditioner is about 2000~3000YUAN, which is around $350, R410A or R232 refrigerant，with a COP of 3.0 or APF-4. We are upgrading energy efficiency every year, you can hardly find new R22-refrigerant or fixed frequency equipments today. The govment is putting lots of money into the industry, encouraging people to buy air-conditioners with high energy performance. The goverment is making serious efforts to lower our carbon emission. I, as a air conditioning system designer, had visited so many construction sites, join meetings, do investigations...etc, the workers were no longer allowed to work at a temprature above 37°C(air temprature)，for those who must, will receive a hightemp-compensation. The workers are not fools, they refuse to work at high temprature without such compenstions, and usually companies choose to save the money if a few days delay is not essential. It is just a bit silly to estimate that the goverment will still do such a thing nowadays.... China has maga-computers and hundreds of meteorological satellites, my phone told me the rain will last another 10 minutes, everyone could check accurate temps at every hour, every city, with a a variety of apps (weatherforcast is a liitle different on iphone and android phones). I have many friends in different cities, some are in sichuan and chongqing, I never saw them post any Moments complaining about temperature misread. Not a single one this summer. Well, if some of you believe the Chinese are suffering in fire, then ...thanks for you attention. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17768 Posts
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WestTaiwan
Hong Kong5 Posts
I get it that some people might color me malicious or something like that but I'm just genuinely curious. Manit0u, you are malicious. Don't try to hide under "being concern" or "curious". User was banned for this post. | ||
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ghost776
4 Posts
On August 31 2022 00:35 WestTaiwan wrote: Manit0u, you are malicious. Don't try to hide under "being concern" or "curious". No, he is not, he looks more like a floating overlord with alzheimer disease , murmuring the nonsense everyday. The malicious one is that JimmeC if you read the whole thread, who attacked people like a lurker, cos he attacks everyone. People like them poop lots of shit are making this once good forum stink now. The rare one with a sober head is Greenhorizon, I am glad they don't listen to him. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24033 Posts
On August 30 2022 17:43 mounteast0 wrote: Surely if this imagined massive conspiracy theory is more than propaganda originated by people like the bargain basement version of Tucker Carlson & co in China (Serpentza) we could expect to see reporting about it in places like the AP, BBC, CNN, ABC, WaPo, etc. I see a few issues with this statement. 1, source Your statement implied multiple source state the same thing (temperature reported capped at 39 C). But how many of them are primary source? Let take an imaginary example to illustrate this point: Let say the BBC, CNN, ABC all reported the same story, which was feed to them by AP. how many source was there? The answer is 1, the source is AP, and AP alone. I doubt your "source" would actually be able to independently measure the temperature, so I think I could "boldly" claimed that whatever source you are reading, they are secondary source. 2, no counter checking The claim is that the temperature reported in public available weather report, while it is unlikely the chinese state television provide polish language coverage, it is not unheard of that it provide english coverage, which you could have checked. Your english language is good enough to post in this forum, then your english language is good enough to check the english channel of chinese state television. 3, science knowledge? it is very much possible for individual to experience the temperature higher than that of reported by the observatory. If you put a car under direct sunlight for a period of time, close all the windows and turn off air-condition system, it is normal to have the temperature inside the car to be higher than the outside. While quantitatively, I cannot say how many degree higher would be possible as I do not have the required information to calculate, stating "people reported they measured higher temperature than the observatory' is not really a good / reliable indicator of reporting bias / error of the observatory. That none of them are running stories about this conspiracy theory indicates its potency is rooted in Sinophobic orientalism. EDIT: Not that I take them as gospel, they are all unabashedly capitalist propagandists, but that even they aren't pushing this conspiracy theory should tell people how ridiculous it is. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ghost776
4 Posts
this thread offered an oppotunity for the chinese sc players and western players to discuss problems and seek common ground while reserving differences，it could be productive and constructive, and there will be so many things happen in the future for people to discover, you, have ruined this thread. Congratulations. please don't hate me for my words, we once loved starcraft, we had at least 1 thing in common. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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AxiomB
69 Posts
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2334921-heatwave-in-china-is-the-most-severe-ever-recorded-in-the-world/ “There is nothing in world climatic history which is even minimally comparable to what is happening in China.” Also "It remains scientifically unclear whether cloud seeding makes a significant difference." My understanding is that ground temperatures anywhere in the world can be read by weather satellites pretty accurately. If the CCP were to spread false temperature readings via news etc, the jig would be up pretty quickly due to temperature reports from outside of China. That said the CCP is certainly downplaying the severity of the climate crisis in China, this is to be expected and can be seen 1st hand by the lack of reporting on the subject from the major pro CCP and Xi Jinping news outlets: Search 'Climate' and/or 'Drought' on the major pro CCP news outlets; http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/ and https://www.globaltimes.cn/ for example. BTW these 'news' sites are actually hilarious, the level of 'Wonderful leader, China is the greatest' combined with 'poor China, we are victims, USA is the worst' is cracked. The nude unashamed propaganda maw, unmoved by mere facts, propelled by its own truth holds the people high, high aloft in dreams of unique success. It feeds them, clothes them and nurses them with but one aim alone; complete control of humanity through the historical narrative. There in utopian embraces it shackles us, only to unceremoniously devour and shit us out once we behold its eyes, its gargantuan lust for docile minds. And there in the death-muck we warn you; none are immune to its allure. | ||
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emperorofwild
87 Posts
先说，同胞们，请不要在这里和这几个傻屌讨论，你们能用英文讨论这些的，都是受过高等教育的，没必要和这些垃圾浪费时间。 这个帖子如我所料，成了几个傻屌在这里自嗨的帖子，完全没有讨论的氛围，你想给他们讲事情的历史缘由，人家直接说了，这里不讨论中国历史，只讨论（骂）中国政治。他们不在乎我们怎么想，他们只想他们来决定这里或者那里归不归中国。这何其似曾相识：他们在非洲和北美用直尺划线分殖民地的时候，一样不在乎非洲和北美原住民的想法。不同的只是，他们一起来，我们也不怕他们。 所以不要浪费时间和他们讨论了，好好工作好好生活。老毛说过，帝国主义只有在不得不讲道理的时候才会和你讲道理。就这样，封我吧，傻逼们！！！！！ User was banned for this post. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17768 Posts
On August 31 2022 12:16 AxiomB wrote: Fascinating Thread. I find this article trustworthy: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2334921-heatwave-in-china-is-the-most-severe-ever-recorded-in-the-world/ “There is nothing in world climatic history which is even minimally comparable to what is happening in China.” Yeah. There are also news of people painting grass, bushes, quarries and mountain sides (with green oil paint no less) as well as rolling camo netting down the hills and stapling fake leaves on the trees to pretend everything is fine... It really paints a bleak picture. Especially now with extended and stricter lockdowns (to the point where they don't let people evacuate during earthquakes) it all seems like China is visibly falling apart at the seams while simultaneously trying to project the image of strength. Edit: This is pretty crazy... | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
https://www.businesstoday.in/amp/latest/trends/story/chinacoup-trends-on-twitter-rumours-say-xi-jinping-under-house-arrest-military-in-charge-348112-2022-09-24 | ||
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Simberto
Germany11885 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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