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Manit0u
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Manit0u
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The situation is pretty dire as people are snatching all the ice they can get and setting up tents inside ancient tombs to get away from the heat, 1000 year old wooden bridge spontaneously caught fire and burned to the ground etc. It's been over 65 days of heatwaves now. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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there's no official info since media outlets in China cap temperature reports at 39C. This strikes me as especially stupid propaganda to make up/believe/spread. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17770 Posts
On August 23 2022 00:32 GreenHorizons wrote: This strikes me as especially stupid propaganda to make up/believe/spread. Sources from China are limited. The info I was able to find about it stated that official weather reports and forecasts don't show temps above 39 but people see 45+ on the devices in their cars, people upload videos about cooking beef on the concrete etc. Maybe it's changed, here's one of the most recent news on that (few hours old): https://www.axios.com/2022/08/22/china-heat-wave-drought-unprecedented And from other news sources: https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-extends-power-curbs-amid-heat-wave-drought-11661171568 The six provinces particularly affected by the drought and heat wave produced 48% of China’s rice in 2021, the note said. This part is particularly worrying knowing China's history with hunger and famous quote from Chairman Mao on how to handle such matters: "If there isn't enough food it's fine to let half of the population die so that others can eat their fill." | ||
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Manit0u
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Manit0u
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At least they explain why in weather forecasts in local media in China they don't show temperatures over 39C. They have a law that if the temp is over 39 they can't go to work or school so they're capping the temps so that people don't skip on work. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On August 29 2022 22:29 Manit0u wrote: + Show Spoiler + At least they explain why in weather forecasts in local media in China they don't show temperatures over 39C. + Show Spoiler + They have a law that if the temp is over 39 they can't go to work or school so they're capping the temps so that people don't skip on work. Serpentza & co is where I expected you to pick up that propaganda. Just fyi, the the China Meteorological Administration says 40C doesn't even put you in the top 10 hottest cities this year. Even 40 C cannot qualify a city to enter the top 10 hottest cities in the country. The threshold for the ranking is as high as 42 C on Saturday, according to CMA data. www.globaltimes.cnSo that's the national data center from which local (and international) forecasts for China get their weather reports. Reports like this one over 39C, despite recent cooling ![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/p0tcKmf/China-weather.jpg) www.weather.com.cn Like I said, it's remarkably stupid propaganda to buy into and spread. | ||
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JimmiC
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Manit0u
Poland17770 Posts
On August 30 2022 01:12 GreenHorizons wrote: What does this map even show? That there's temperature over 40C a bit south of Xi'an in the middle of nowhere? It's kinda funny that the same map has this area in the same color as all the important cities to the south and south-east of this point, which are having the biggest issues with heat wave and it shows them at 35C (5C is a HUGE swing). If you look at almost any other weather map online you'll see that if anything the temperature to the south and south-east of this place is higher and not lower... You can even look at an old weather data for that: ![[image loading]](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338515966/figure/fig1/AS:941575727235074@1601500555238/Map-of-the-annual-average-temperature-in-modern-China-revised-from-Xu-and-Zhang-2017.png) Looking at this map (the annual average temperature) shows that the temp at the southern part of China from the point where they show 40C should be around 6C higher, not 5C lower... On August 30 2022 01:12 GreenHorizons wrote: Serpentza & co is where I expected you to pick up that propaganda. Where else am I to look for a reliable source of information then? They're people who've spent over a decade living in China, have Chinese wives and family, a lot of friends there so get access to all the internal news but also have the foreign perspective. Give me alternatives that aren't state propaganda, have similar length of experience, are not Chinese nationals and I'll gladly check them out (I will also check Chinese nationals' opinions but I'll take them with a grain of salt). Edit: I get it that some people might color me malicious or something like that but I'm just genuinely curious. Information regarding China that does not come from official sources is pretty hard to come by and I'm actually worried for the people living there. I've been a member of this community almost from its inception 15+ years ago and I know that there's plenty of asian people in it (Chinese ex-pats etc.) who might have family there and might be able to provide more information free of CCP censorship. I really don't get why simply wanting to know more about the current situation would label me as huge trouble starter etc. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On August 30 2022 07:11 Manit0u wrote: What does this map even show? + Show Spoiler + That there's temperature over 40C a bit south of Xi'an in the middle of nowhere? It's kinda funny that the same map has this area in the same color as all the important cities to the south and south-east of this point, which are having the biggest issues with heat wave and it shows them at 35C (5C is a HUGE swing). If you look at almost any other weather map online you'll see that if anything the temperature to the south and south-east of this place is higher and not lower... You can even look at an old weather data for that: Looking at this map (the annual average temperature) shows that the temp at the southern part of China from the point where they show 40C should be around 6C higher, not 5C lower... On August 30 2022 01:12 GreenHorizons wrote: Serpentza & co is where I expected you to pick up that propaganda. Where else am I to look for a reliable source of information then? They're people who've spent over a decade living in China, have Chinese wives and family, a lot of friends there so get access to all the internal news but also have the foreign perspective. Give me alternatives that aren't state propaganda, have similar length of experience, are not Chinese nationals and I'll gladly check them out (I will also check Chinese nationals' opinions but I'll take them with a grain of salt). That the propaganda you repeatedly spread and continue to push claiming "weather forecasts in local media in China don't show temperatures over 39C" is demonstrably false. It is such aggressively stupid propaganda I felt compelled to point it out. | ||
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JimmiC
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[JXSA].Zergling
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It is absurd to keep expelling Chinese people in a clue about China. Most people in Europe and America here do not understand China's history and actual situation, nor do they really care about China's affairs. They can only know a little about China through the Internet and some false information. When no one participated in this clue, he could not get several replies a week, but he kept maliciously refusing to accept the real information provided by Chinese people living in China. Is this clue not funny enough? The hottest place in China's weather forecast is already 45 degrees. In my place, it has been 40-42 degrees for more than 10 days. The limit of 39 degrees may have existed 20 years ago, but it does not exist now. China has strict requirements on temperature, mainly for people working outdoors. Measures for the management of heatstroke prevention and cooling measures: 1. If the daily maximum temperature reaches 40 ° C or above, outdoor outdoor operation on that day shall be stopped; 2. When the daily maximum temperature is above 37 ℃ and below 40 ℃, the employer shall not arrange outdoor open-air operation for more than 6 hours, and the continuous operation time shall not exceed the national regulations. Moreover, outdoor open-air operation shall not be arranged within 3 hours during the maximum temperature period; 3. When the daily maximum temperature is above 35 ℃ and below 37 ℃, the employer shall take the method of changing shifts and taking off to shorten the continuous working time of the workers, and shall not arrange the outdoor workers to work overtime. | ||
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mounteast0
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On August 30 2022 08:38 JimmiC wrote: What makes it propaganda? You seem fixated at a detail instead of the point, that they are artificially lowering the temperature. That is propaganda because the state is sending it out to influence the peoples opinions on what they are doing. Some youtuber putting out info and not hitting every detail 100% is not "propaganda". Correct me if I am wrong, I thought the original post regarding this "temperature" discussion is centre around the claim that the china media artificial cap the maximum temperature reported despite what is actually measured. Which other posters provide information contradict the claim that "maximum temperature capped at 39 C". Extreme heatwaves in China. People are reporting temperatures as high as 45-54 Celsius but there's no official info since media outlets in China cap temperature reports at 39C. Many rivers are drying up which might cause big power outages as quite a bit of China's power supply comes from the dams. The government has asked all industry in 19 cities to stop operation so that there'll be enough power to supply the citizens. I think the Sichuan province electricity output dropped down to 20% of nominal. The situation is pretty dire as people are snatching all the ice they can get and setting up tents inside ancient tombs to get away from the heat, 1000 year old wooden bridge spontaneously caught fire and burned to the ground etc. It's been over 65 days of heatwaves now. | ||
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JimmiC
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gobbledydook
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On August 30 2022 08:38 JimmiC wrote: What makes it propaganda? You seem fixated at a detail instead of the point, that they are artificially lowering the temperature. That is propaganda because the state is sending it out to influence the peoples opinions on what they are doing. Some youtuber putting out info and not hitting every detail 100% is not "propaganda". This is pants on fire level fake news honestly. When the central claim is that the Chinese government censors temperatures above 39 degrees in order to avoid workers getting a day off, then direct evidence proves the contrary, this is not just an honest mistake. This is pants on fire. | ||
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ghost776
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On August 30 2022 07:11 Manit0u wrote: What does this map even show? That there's temperature over 40C a bit south of Xi'an in the middle of nowhere? It's kinda funny that the same map has this area in the same color as all the important cities to the south and south-east of this point, which are having the biggest issues with heat wave and it shows them at 35C (5C is a HUGE swing). If you look at almost any other weather map online you'll see that if anything the temperature to the south and south-east of this place is higher and not lower... If you read Chinese you can easily spot the yellow letters "重庆 41.3℃”， Chongqing, is the most vital city in southeast China. It's not "in the middle of nowhere" I don't know where is the funny point here? you jugde the situations by single a weather forecast screenshot? Are you not the funny point? We Chinese knew that Sichuan province suffered from heat, and in short of electricity, several old even passed away due to the heat, so..what？ and I am curious too, it is said in 2003 the heatwave caused 70,000 death in Europe,should I believe that? | ||
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gobbledydook
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On August 30 2022 12:45 ghost776 wrote: If you read Chinese you can easily spot the yellow letters "重庆 41.3℃”， Chongqing, is the most vital city in southeast China. It's not "in the middle of nowhere" I don't know where is the funny point here? you jugde the situations by single a weather forecast screenshot? Are you not the funny point? We Chinese knew that Sichuan province suffered from heat, and in short of electricity, several old even passed away due to the heat, so..what？ and I am curious too, it is said in 2003 the heatwave caused 70,000 death in Europe,should I believe that? You mean south west China not south east, but yes. Chongqing is one of the most important cities in China. It is not in the middle of nowhere. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17770 Posts
On August 30 2022 12:13 gobbledydook wrote: This is pants on fire level fake news honestly. When the central claim is that the Chinese government censors temperatures above 39 degrees in order to avoid workers getting a day off, then direct evidence proves the contrary, this is not just an honest mistake. This is pants on fire. That's one of the reasons why this thread was started. Almost all the sources I was able to find claimed that the temps are capped. If they're not that's good but I still find it suspect that forecasts show 40-41 and people claim temps of 45-50+ Besides, if CCP is capping the temps or not is not really important. What's important right now is that the heatwave is real and how it might affect the country. | ||
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mounteast0
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On August 30 2022 16:47 Manit0u wrote: That's one of the reasons why this thread was started. Almost all the sources I was able to find claimed that the temps are capped. If they're not that's good but I still find it suspect that forecasts show 40-41 and people claim temps of 45-50+ I see a few issues with this statement. 1, source Your statement implied multiple source state the same thing (temperature reported capped at 39 C). But how many of them are primary source? Let take an imaginary example to illustrate this point: Let say the BBC, CNN, ABC all reported the same story, which was feed to them by AP. how many source was there? The answer is 1, the source is AP, and AP alone. I doubt your "source" would actually be able to independently measure the temperature, so I think I could "boldly" claimed that whatever source you are reading, they are secondary source. 2, no counter checking The claim is that the temperature reported in public available weather report, while it is unlikely the chinese state television provide polish language coverage, it is not unheard of that it provide english coverage, which you could have checked. Your english language is good enough to post in this forum, then your english language is good enough to check the english channel of chinese state television. 3, science knowledge? it is very much possible for individual to experience the temperature higher than that of reported by the observatory. If you put a car under direct sunlight for a period of time, close all the windows and turn off air-condition system, it is normal to have the temperature inside the car to be higher than the outside. While quantitatively, I cannot say how many degree higher would be possible as I do not have the required information to calculate, stating "people reported they measured higher temperature than the observatory' is not really a good / reliable indicator of reporting bias / error of the observatory. | ||
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Manit0u
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![[image loading]](https://img2.chinadaily.com.cn/images/202207/14/62cf60eaa310fd2bec9621cd.jpeg) This image comes from Shanghai supposedly. ![[image loading]](https://www.forbesindia.com/media/images/2022/Aug/img_191987_gettyimages-1414193221_bg.jpg) This one I don't know where it was taken. | ||
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