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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On August 09 2022 04:12 zeo wrote: I'm saying if the position of the Anglo-centric part of the globe is to not hand over (or let China take) territories whos populations do not want to be a part of China they should have been more consistent about it. I personally think Taiwan is more Chinese and a part of China by identity than Hong Kong, at least Hong Kong as it was before 1997. The right of the people of Taiwan to peacefully govern their own affairs doesn't hinge on the status of Macao, nor on your personal evaluation of how Chinese they are. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17770 Posts
On August 09 2022 08:50 Djabanete wrote: The right of the people of Taiwan to peacefully govern their own affairs doesn't hinge on the status of Macao, nor on your personal evaluation of how Chinese they are. One could argue Taiwan is more Chinese than China since they kept their religion and tradition which were destroyed by communists in the mainland. They also use the original characters for their writing, not the simplified script. So, basically, the Chinese legacy lies in Taiwan, not China (and I guess this irks CCP to no end). | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 09 2022 11:03 Manit0u wrote: One could argue Taiwan is more Chinese than China since they kept their religion and tradition which were destroyed by communists in the mainland. They also use the original characters for their writing, not the simplified script. So, basically, the Chinese legacy lies in Taiwan, not China (and I guess this irks CCP to no end). As far as I am concerned, the China we know as China today is just Western China. The side of culture/history is in "Taiwan" | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17770 Posts
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BroodwarDota2
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14146 Posts
On August 09 2022 22:31 Manit0u wrote: It seems now Pakistan is going the way of Sri Lanka and is on the verge of bankruptcy (their forex reserves will last them for up to 2 months of imports at most). This is relevant for China as it was a vital point in their Belt and Road initiative and it'll also be unable to pay off its debts to China (around $25 billion), putting more pressure on China's finances. It'll be interesting to see if they blame this collapse on the belt and road debt or not. One country can be blamed on bad management but when it it's more than one it becomes a pattern. Pakistan has gone to the imf for bailouts a lot of times but this time they said no because they have to reorganize their Chinese debt first as it was unsustainable. | ||
KwarK
United States44112 Posts
On August 10 2022 04:41 BroodwarDota2 wrote: Any supporters of Nancy Pelosi? Did something happened? They’re literally both called China. PRC and ROC. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17770 Posts
On August 10 2022 05:07 Sermokala wrote: It'll be interesting to see if they blame this collapse on the belt and road debt or not. One country can be blamed on bad management but when it it's more than one it becomes a pattern. Pakistan has gone to the imf for bailouts a lot of times but this time they said no because they have to reorganize their Chinese debt first as it was unsustainable. Well, according to the analysts there are at least 60+ other countries that might go this route this year. In regards to belt and road initiative I think it's a bit of an "unfortunate coincidence" when it comes to its relevance to China. From my perspective it looks like China was giving poor, developing countries loans and investing its own infrastructure there in a long term plan of creating alternative transit routes and such to disrupt/control the global supply chain. What China did not account for was COVID, war in Ukraine and upcoming global market crash. So, instead of having several poorer countries around the world be subservient to China (having difficulties handling their debts to them etc.) they ended up with big investments that can't pay off as those countries are going bankrupt. I'm no expert on economy, especially when it comes to factoring in global stuff but that's how it looks like to me at the moment. Perhaps someone better versed in this could shed some light on it or provide more insight. | ||
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allending2016
China11 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11894 Posts
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allending2016
China11 Posts
1. belt and road, most invest tons of money on 3rd world foreign lands is a pure waste of money. 2. In international affairs,our propaganda should not just pick the good news, this is miss-leading, people should hear the critisizes of westnern people , not just west politicians. ,many people in China believe the western people like China, that is far from truth. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14146 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On August 10 2022 22:36 allending2016 wrote: many people in China believe the western people like China, that is far from truth. It's not China, it's the Chinese government, and specifically its awful record on human rights and freedom of speech. Every Chinese expat that I've gotten to know (there are several among my friends, family, and colleagues) is friendly, generous, hardworking, and graceful in adversity. I have no basis to think badly of Chinese people (certain posts in this thread excepted) and plenty of reason to think well. I wish only the best for the people of China. Governments and leaders that are insecure about their reputations usually seek to tie their own reputation to that of the country itself. For example, Netanyahu always made sure to call criticisms of Israel's policies anti-Semitic. Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if Xi spun a narrative that people who thought he was awful simply have an irrational hatred of China, but it's not so. Xi's regime is moving in an awful direction in terms of human rights and freedom of speech, and even people with no antipathy for China can recognize that. Check out the US Politics thread here. You'll see a lot of Americans who love their country very much but are able to see that many elements of our government are noxious. You'll also see Europeans and others discussing the United States, and the American posters are generally capable of conversing with them while keeping a level head and not taking everything personally. | ||
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allending2016
China11 Posts
If we who live in this regime did not feel we are "moving in an awful direction in terms of human rights and freedom of speech", how can you people "with no antipathy for china can recognize that"? I feel that we are moving in the opposite direction, the goverment's work are more transparent, corruptions are limited, Xi said everyone should have a dignified life and applied many policies to lift up people's lives, improving environmental protection and personal rights,we can visit more foreign websites, 4chan、imdb ...etc were not available years ago,but,yes,political discussions referring to NK and TW are still limited in china, it is China's "politically incorrect" subjects. And that's why chinese people with English skills would have a interest to talk about politics in foreign forums. I post on 4chan /pol/ too, that is another style of world  | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On August 11 2022 12:08 allending2016 wrote: What confused the chinese most is that- If we who live in this regime did not feel we are "moving in an awful direction in terms of human rights and freedom of speech", how can you people "with no antipathy for china can recognize that"? I feel that we are moving in the opposite direction, the goverment's work are more transparent, corruptions are limited, Xi said everyone should have a dignified life and applied many policies to lift up people's lives, improving environmental protection and personal rights,we can visit more foreign websites, 4chan、imdb ...etc were not available years ago,but,yes,political discussions referring to NK and TW are still limited in china, it is China's "politically incorrect" subjects. And that's why chinese people with English skills would have a interest to talk about politics in foreign forums. I post on 4chan /pol/ too, that is another style of world /pol/ is not a serious discussion board, you would only infer awful takes from there. I don't believe a Chinese could go on /pol/ and make reasonable assumptions about anything. You almost have to treat it as opposite of reality. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On August 11 2022 12:08 allending2016 wrote: What confused the chinese most is that- If we who live in this regime did not feel we are "moving in an awful direction in terms of human rights and freedom of speech", how can you people "with no antipathy for china can recognize that"? According to US congressional reports, international human rights watchdog organizations, and eyewitness testimony shared through multiple news outlets, what you've got in Xinjiang is a genocide-flavored police state. It's also well known that Hong Kong had massive protests demanding proper democracy (a chance to vote for a representative that wasn't hand-picked by the CCP) and these protests were violently suppressed and the sought-after reforms were not delivered. In the aftermath a lot of journalists and activists have been jailed. >>> If we who live in this regime did not feel we are "moving in an awful direction in terms of human rights and freedom of speech" Who is we? For whom do you speak? What evidence is there that public opinion is the same as your opinion? Look, if Xi thought he had public support, he wouldn't be president for life. Leaders "for life" themselves to protect themselves from the public. | ||
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allending2016
China11 Posts
the things happened in Xinjiang and HK you mentioned above are quite different from what our media told us. The CCTV talk about XJ and HK frequently, we know in 2019~2020 there were a group of hongkong people orgnized by Huang and Luo, Incited by some people with ulterior motives, tried to overthrow the goverment. And western journalists reporting "genocide" in Xinjiang. Look, our goverment had numerously claimed such reports were "fake news"or "made-up stories", I don't want to repeat it, maybe it is not politically correct here. Actually most Chinese people do not really care about these things. I am not surprised such things would happen, and will continously happen in the global "containing china" backgroud. As to the "power for-life" thing, it is not very well accepted by regular Chinese people, the only resonable explaination is that president Xi really want to achieve the final unification in his term of service. | ||
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