Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 417

On April 13 2023 00:54 Magic Powers wrote:


Your whole argument with me is a non sequitur, in case you didn't catch that.
I initially responded to Mohdoo, not to you or anyone else. Do you understand better now?

On April 13 2023 19:42 Magic Powers wrote:
Without a doubt Europe is running out of ammo. But so is Russia. The question if this is a problem for Ukraine's war efforts is entirely relative.

France is allegedly blocking an EU decision to finance the supply of ammunition to Ukraine, which requires unanimity among member states.

The decision to finance the supply of ammunition to Ukraine by the European Union was made at the EU summit in March. The €2 billion needed for this purpose are to be provided from the European Peace Facility.

The political agreement reached at the summit, however, has yet to be turned into a legally binding document. Discussions regarding this case are still ongoing.

Of the €2 billion, half is to be used to reimburse supplies of ammunition from member states’ warehouses. Currently, however, there are not enough missiles in these warehouses, which is why the idea of purchasing them from outside the EU has emerged.

"However, this was opposed by France. In this situation, the solution would be to procure ammunition from a third country on a donated basis, and then recover it from the warehouses of a member state by transferring other weapons to the third country. Talks are underway on this matter," an EU source told PAP.

A bigger problem is with the second billion euros, which is to be allocated for joint orders from European industry, i.e. de facto in Poland, France and Germany.

"The French blocked the EU decision on the second billion euros before Christmas. The draft contained a provision that the ammunition was to be reimbursed only on the basis of requests submitted by Ukraine. Paris, however, wants, without explaining why, this provision to be deleted. This would also mean the possibility of refunding ammunition which the Ukrainian side has not asked for. In addition to the decision on ammunition, France wants to add the possibility of compensating for missile deliveries," a senior EU source told PAP.

In the opinion of some diplomats, lobbying by defence companies may be behind France’s decision.

Most EU countries protested against such changes, including Poland.

Poland’s Permanent Representative to the EU, Andrzej Sadoś, pointed out at the ambassadors’ meeting in Brussels that the EU must not waste time and must provide Ukraine with ammunition supplies as soon as possible. Poland also expressed disappointment that the EU could not reach an agreement and indicated that it would be difficult to explain this to Ukrainian partners.

Talks on the matter are expected to resume on Wednesday.

Background: On 20 March, the Council of the European Union approved a plan to supply Ukraine with 1 million artillery shells within 12 months.

On April 13 2023 21:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
What the hell is going on? I'm going to assume this has not stopped Poland, and Germany from manufacturing ammo for Ukraine. As they are the only two European countries so far in the agreement; the third being the US.



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On April 13 2023 22:26 Neneu wrote:

Idk if it is part of this agreement, since I couldn't figure out which one it is, but Norway is still an european country and we donate+produce artillery ammunition for ukraine.

On April 14 2023 07:33 r00ty wrote:


35mm ammo for the Gepard AA tank has to be purchased in Switzerland, it's the only producer and Germany doesn't have any left AFAIK. It was already complicated because Switzerland had to disregard a law that forbids them from allowing their military gear to be sent to an active conflict.

It's a defensive weapon system and drone killer, Ukraine needs this. Another dickmove by Macron, he made some weird decisions lately against overall European interest.