EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 419
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Sermokala
United States13817 Posts
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KwarK
United States42268 Posts
On April 15 2023 04:23 Sermokala wrote: The US has killed hundreds of russian "mercenaries" in syria over the recent years. There is a way for the US commander to inform the russians that its about to happen so its not war but there are a thousand ways to play off a citizen of one empire dieing by another empire. This incident is one of the reasons for bad blood between the Russian army and Wagner. The US asked the Russian army if they had any soldiers in the area and a Russian officer said nope, go ahead. Wagner had a bad time. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3187 Posts
On April 15 2023 02:18 GreenHorizons wrote: To that point, the US is still exploiting Pat Tillman for recruitment. The perversity of which can't be overstated. I winced when I saw the buzzfeed news URL, but also yeah that’s fucking insane. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8007 Posts
On April 15 2023 06:25 ChristianS wrote: I winced when I saw the buzzfeed news URL, but also yeah that’s fucking insane. What's wrong with buzzfeed news? While having the same owners, they are not the same as regular buzzfeed. They've done some of the better journalism over the last few years, and generally does not rely on clickbait | ||
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ChristianS
United States3187 Posts
On April 15 2023 08:59 Excludos wrote: What's wrong with buzzfeed news? While having the same owners, they are not the same as regular buzzfeed. They've done some of the better journalism over the last few years, and generally does not rely on clickbait That may be true, but an article premised on “here’s an assortment of Tweets I thought were pretty funny about a thing that happened at the Super Bowl” is not exactly distancing themselves from the main Buzzfeed’s style of content. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria3734 Posts
I can't tell if this is legit, it's not been posted by any of the more reputable news outlets. Can someone confirm? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8007 Posts
On April 16 2023 22:48 Magic Powers wrote: Kinda strange news. Prigozhin demanded on his blog (?) that the Russian forces no longer continue their war efforts, claiming that enough territory has been captured and there was no use in further fighting. I can't tell if this is legit, it's not been posted by any of the more reputable news outlets. Can someone confirm? Man who's job it is to run meat through grinder runs out of meat There's no "hold the territory they've captured" option. They're not going to be able to hold anything once the western MPTs starts rolling in and the spring counterattacks starts | ||
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pmp10
3274 Posts
But no one important jumped on the opportunity to support it. In fact, from what I've seen it hasn't even produced an eye-roll from the Kremlin. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria3734 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3942 Posts
On April 16 2023 23:05 pmp10 wrote: It's true. But no one important jumped on the opportunity to support it. In fact, from what I've seen it hasn't even produced an eye-roll from the Kremlin. Nope, it is not. It is just clickbaity quoting stuff completely out of context to make it exactly the opposite of what was said. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-15-2023 | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2581 Posts
I try to avoid looking at things I know I don't want to see but I still want to follow what is happening. I have a small kid and just with the things you get exposed to in the periphery even when trying to censor your news-flow I can honestly say that I now hate Russia. And not only the country itself, I think my view on any Russian male (and most women) who currently live in Russia and are not actively against the war is that they are basically subhumans at this point. From an intellectual point of view I realise that war is hell and always has been hell and that de-humanising people is an extremely dark path to take. But it'still pretty hard to think logically about it when they keep killing kids. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9139 Posts
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ZeroByte13
753 Posts
On April 18 2023 02:33 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: I don't want to sound condensending, but if you never lived there you have no idea what it means to be "actively against the war" in Russia now.I think my view on any Russian male (and most women) who currently live in Russia and are not actively against the war is that they are basically subhumans at this point.. The spiteful side of me would say I'd want to see you - and other similarily "brave on the internet" people - try that yourself, but at the same time why would I wish such a dangerous thing to anyone. You'd be beaten to a bloody pulp with no repercussions to people who did that, then thrown to jail - and not a comfy Sweden jail, but a much worse Russian jail. I heard about riots in Sweden and how police handles that - from my swede colleagues' words it did sound laughably ultra-soft. If you as much as touch (not punch - just touch) a policeman in Russia, you most probably be in a big trouble, it usually ends in many years in jail. I live and work in Sweden so I personally know 10-12 swedes pretty close, and 20-40 more close enough to discuss a lot of different topics with them - nobody of them had any clues about life in Russia. Stories I tell them often terrify them, which I find both funny and sad, because it gives me better reflection on what's normal and what's not. So I don't expect people from Sweden to actually understand the reality of life there - just like my father, who was never abroad, will never understand some realities of life in Sweden. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2581 Posts
On April 18 2023 04:30 ZeroByte13 wrote: I don't want to sound condensending, but if you never lived there you have no idea what it means to be "actively against the war" in Russia now. Spiteful side of me would say I'd want to see you - and other similarily "brave on the internet" people - try that yourself, but at the same time why would I wish such a dangerous thing to anyone. You'd be beaten to a bloody pulp with no repercussions to people who did that, then thrown to jail - and not a comfy Sweden jail, but a much worse Russian jail. I live and work in Sweden so I personally know 10-12 swedes pretty close, and 20-40 more close enough to discuss a lot of different topics with them - nobody of them had any clues about life in Russia. Stories I tell them often terrify them. So I don't expect people from Sweden to actually understand the reality of life there. I mean more in the context of at least thinking that they are against the war. Either you don't care about it (or just care about the inconvenience it causes you). Or you are against it (even if you can do almost nothing about it). Or you support it. There is a lot of videos of perfectly safe Russians (living in western countries) that choose to actively support a genocidal war when all they have to do not say anything. You don't have to go out and protest or write on the internet to oppose something. You can stop saying you agree with it or simply drop out of the conversation. It's still resisting. Not everyone in Iran are out protesting (and facing the risk of getting killed). Many refuse to wear a veil instead, or even just refuse to join in on oppressing women who do it. So there are avenues for being against something even in countries as bad as Russia or Iran. Edit: Or you can actively cheer for killing children. I'm sure those who do that are also perfectly fine people... | ||
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ZeroByte13
753 Posts
It's just that only these people are given freedom to express their views. This in turn creates an illusion that most Russians support it. I know hundreds of Russians, and maybe a hundred whose opinions I can be sure about, mostly 25-45 yo. Maybe 5-10 of them support it. I'm yet to hear anyone out of these hundreds I know to cheer for killing children. Of course, my experience is just that - my personal experience. We surround ourselves with people who're like us or who we like more than others. Obviously there are also people who can say that most of their friends support the war, and they don't understand those who don't. | ||
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KwarK
United States42268 Posts
Just one interaction but you have to be really propagandized to be that into a politician or their policies. I have politicians I vote for but I’m not going to get tattoos of them or anything. | ||
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ZeroByte13
753 Posts
So rare outliers like Casper stand out, and that's what people remember and what at least partially forms the opinions and feelings they have. I understand that and most probably am also succeptible to this. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8007 Posts
On April 18 2023 05:24 ZeroByte13 wrote: Again, there probably were many more Russian players you played with/against during last year who never mentioned their stance on the situation. And unless you know most players by their nicknames - for most of them you'd probably wouldn't even know they're Russians. So rare outliers like Casper stand out, and that's what people remember and what at least partially forms the opinions and feelings they have. I understand that and most probably am also succeptible to this. I'm not sure what you think you're arguing for or against atm. No one is saying every Russian is an asshole or Putin lover, or even has the impression that they are The only point that is being made is that people who support Putin and the war are human trash, and there are a lot of them | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5505 Posts
On April 18 2023 04:57 ZeroByte13 wrote: But I'd guess it's a smaller part of population who actually support it - maybe 25-30%. It's just that only these people are given freedom to express their views. This in turn creates an illusion that most Russians support it. I know hundreds of Russians, and maybe a hundred whose opinions I can be sure about, mostly 25-45 yo. Maybe 5-10 of them support it. I'm yet to hear anyone out of these hundreds I know to cheer for killing children. Of course, my experience is just that - my personal experience. We surround ourselves with people who're like us or who we like more than others. Obviously there are also people who can say that most of their friends support the war, and they don't understand those who don't. 25-30% of the population supporting a genocidal war, with an additional 40-60% not giving a shit is pretty fucking appalling... The war definitely changed my opinion on Russians for the worse. It used to be neutral. Now, while I withhold judgement until I get to know the person, my expectation is that if I meet a random Russian person, they're more likely than not to be a deplorable person. | ||
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ZeroByte13
753 Posts
On April 18 2023 05:31 Excludos wrote: Wasn't I answering to a somewhat similar opinion?No one is saying every Russian is an asshole or Putin lover, or even has the impression that they are "my view on any Russian male (and most women) who currently live in Russia and are not actively against the war is that they are basically subhumans at this point." On April 18 2023 05:31 maybenexttime wrote: 40-60% are not "not giving a shit", most of them don't like what is happening but feel they can't do much about it.40-60% not giving a shit is pretty fucking appalling... ...my expectation is that if I meet a random Russian person, they're more likely than not to be a deplorable person. But of course nothing will be able to change your opinion about it in next few years at least, so I guess why bother. I don't expect anyone on the internet to change their opinions because of what I say, just like what you think about Russians won't change what I know about Russians. | ||
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