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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1927 Posts
March 14 2023 07:19 GMT
#8021
On March 14 2023 09:42 Neneu wrote:
I've removed many stones from farmfields during spring in my youth (since they appear after winter and it's a decent job as a teen), but I've never seen a field with anything remotely close to having that amount of large stones. Even just one of that size would be surprising. That farmfield must have been left alone for decades in order to accumulate that amount of large stones. Even if Ukraine have some crazy amount of huge rocks in their soil, it takes time for the rocks to move up the soil and you would not be able to plow.

I find it hard to believe that it's just rocks.


Right, but even if it is not rocks, that does not prove that it is bodies of russian soldiers. Those dark blurs can be just about anything. It seems very sketchy.
Buff the siegetank
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 14 2023 13:14 GMT
#8022
Alleged journal of a Russian soldier found near Vuhledar.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden889 Posts
March 14 2023 16:46 GMT
#8023
On March 14 2023 16:19 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2023 09:42 Neneu wrote:
I've removed many stones from farmfields during spring in my youth (since they appear after winter and it's a decent job as a teen), but I've never seen a field with anything remotely close to having that amount of large stones. Even just one of that size would be surprising. That farmfield must have been left alone for decades in order to accumulate that amount of large stones. Even if Ukraine have some crazy amount of huge rocks in their soil, it takes time for the rocks to move up the soil and you would not be able to plow.

I find it hard to believe that it's just rocks.


Right, but even if it is not rocks, that does not prove that it is bodies of russian soldiers. Those dark blurs can be just about anything. It seems very sketchy.


It's pointless anyway, i've seen live footage of russians getting shelled on open fields with more then 60 bodies, this is happening for real for russians and not only one time this war and it's gonna happen many more times.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-14 17:00:39
March 14 2023 16:58 GMT
#8024
Well that isn't good...



edit:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21963 Posts
March 14 2023 17:15 GMT
#8025
On March 15 2023 01:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well that isn't good...

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1635685131863175171

edit:

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1635686188810924032
why? Shit happens. Neither side is going to do anything over this.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6215 Posts
March 14 2023 17:37 GMT
#8026
On March 15 2023 02:15 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2023 01:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well that isn't good...

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1635685131863175171

edit:

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1635686188810924032
why? Shit happens. Neither side is going to do anything over this.


It's somewhat important to the USA. If they don't have any recovery vessels in the Black Sea, it's open season for Russia to send something to recover that drone. It's not as bad as the F-35 that went down a few months ago but there's still sensitive stuff in there.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5675 Posts
March 14 2023 17:38 GMT
#8027
On March 15 2023 01:46 sertas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2023 16:19 Slydie wrote:
On March 14 2023 09:42 Neneu wrote:
I've removed many stones from farmfields during spring in my youth (since they appear after winter and it's a decent job as a teen), but I've never seen a field with anything remotely close to having that amount of large stones. Even just one of that size would be surprising. That farmfield must have been left alone for decades in order to accumulate that amount of large stones. Even if Ukraine have some crazy amount of huge rocks in their soil, it takes time for the rocks to move up the soil and you would not be able to plow.

I find it hard to believe that it's just rocks.


Right, but even if it is not rocks, that does not prove that it is bodies of russian soldiers. Those dark blurs can be just about anything. It seems very sketchy.


It's pointless anyway, i've seen live footage of russians getting shelled on open fields with more then 60 bodies, this is happening for real for russians and not only one time this war and it's gonna happen many more times.

We also have several videos from Russian troops complaining to Putin (lol) about such tactics, as well as Girkin whining about it.
Ardias
Profile Joined January 2014
Russian Federation614 Posts
March 14 2023 17:43 GMT
#8028
On March 15 2023 02:37 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2023 02:15 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 15 2023 01:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well that isn't good...

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1635685131863175171

edit:

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1635686188810924032
why? Shit happens. Neither side is going to do anything over this.


It's somewhat important to the USA. If they don't have any recovery vessels in the Black Sea, it's open season for Russia to send something to recover that drone. It's not as bad as the F-35 that went down a few months ago but there's still sensitive stuff in there.

Black sea is very deep for a closed sea in most areas besides the coastline. It's unlikely that Reaper would be recovered.
Besides, numerous Reapers have already been shot down in Syria, Yemen, Afganistan and Lybia (latter one attributed to Wagner forces) over the years.
Mess with the best or die like the rest.
Artesimo
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany564 Posts
March 14 2023 17:50 GMT
#8029
And more importantly, both the US and russia don't have any interest of being at war with eachother. This is a diplomatic incident for sure, but at 'worst' we get some more goodies for ukraine out of this.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-14 20:07:30
March 14 2023 20:06 GMT
#8030
Konrad Muzyka was in Bakhmut and has seen a few things with his own eyes. He's not convinced that Ukrainian leadership is making the right call in defending the city. His colleague Rob Lee doesn't fully agree or disagree with him. Both analysts can be found on Twitter.


"Zelenskiy's aide Mykhailo Podolyak said Ukraine is fighting on in Bakhmut because the battle is pinning down Russia's best units and degrading them ahead of a planned Ukrainian spring counter-offensive.

Konrad Muzyka, a Polish military analyst who recently visited the Bakhmut area with colleagues, said he thought it no longer made military sense to hold the city.

"The decision to defend Bakhmut is now a political one not a military one," Muzyka told Reuters, saying the scale and the costs of Ukrainian losses now outweighed the benefits of holding the city from a military point of view.

Rob Lee, who was on the same trip, said on Twitter that while there were still valid reasons for Ukraine to keep defending Bakhmut, its ability to inflict heavier losses on its enemy had weakened after Russian forces seized the northern flank last month."

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-03-14/explainer-bakhmut-why-russia-and-ukraine-are-battling-so-hard-for-one-small-city#:~:text=Zelenskiy's aide Mykhailo Podolyak said Ukraine is fighting,them ahead of a planned Ukrainian spring counter-offensive.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 14 2023 21:52 GMT
#8031
Ukrainian partisans have carried out another successful assassination.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1057 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-15 17:01:35
March 15 2023 17:01 GMT
#8032
The first Ukrainian crews have completed their Leopard 2A6 combat training in Germany and are returning "in a couple of days". The first batch of German Leopards will be in Ukraine "by the end of the month".

Source:
+ Show Spoiler +


{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 15 2023 18:04 GMT
#8033
So if the Russian offensive started a month ago, if NATO is to be believed, then it has been a unmitigated disaster.

Russia managed to increase the amount of territory it controls in Ukraine by less than 0.04% in February, the same month it launched its long-awaited new offensive, experts say.

Washington DC-based think tank The Institute for the Study of War told Insider that its mapping data showed Russia had gained just 0.039% more territory in Ukraine between January 31 and February 28.

This was the equivalent of around 233.94 square kilometers (90.3 square miles).

That territory increase is similar to what was reported by tracking group War Mapper, which said that Russia managed to increase the territory it controls in Ukraine by around 0.01% in February, or about 85 square kilometers (32.8 square miles).

Russia gained this tiny amount of land while losing thousands of soldiers and hemorrhaging military equipment.

The ISW told Insider that "both numbers are small enough" that a tiny miscalculation could be the reason why they are different, but that ultimately both accurately portray the limited state of Russia's territory gains.

NATO said on February 14 that Russia had begun its long-awaited offensive, after months of winter stalemate and after it was pushed back to the east of the country earlier in the war.

The UK Ministry of Defence said a few days later that Russia was "advancing, if at all, in metres not kilometres."

And a senior US diplomat was also scathing about Russia's progress, saying: "Russia has declared that it is launching a new offensive. Well, if this is it, it is very pathetic."

Russia has also not made any notable territory gains in March. It's army has been fighting along the eastern front line, including inching forward in the city of Bakhmut, considered one of the war's bloodiest and longest-running battles. But Russia has not yet taken the city.

And its losses have been huge.

US Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley told Politico in late February that around 1,200 soldiers had recently been killed in a single day of fighting in Bakhmut.

It's also losing important equipment. The International Institute for Strategic Studies estimated in mid-February that Russia had lost half of its main battle tanks since the start of the invasion.

On Tuesday, the UK Ministry of Defence said one of the reasons Russia had made little progress was that it had to ration artillery shells due to ammunition shortages.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5675 Posts
March 15 2023 18:11 GMT
#8034
Kudos to our German friends. Unleash the cats!! ^____^
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21963 Posts
March 15 2023 18:31 GMT
#8035
really makes you wonder what is going to happen when Ukraine launches a new counter offensive
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden889 Posts
March 15 2023 18:33 GMT
#8036
Maybe the motivated russian solders are mostly dead, then it's gonna be hard for the russians, but impossible to know obviously, the final outcome of this war is very much up in the air, allthough I belivie ukraine has higher motivation to fight and that means a lot
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11640 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-15 18:34:29
March 15 2023 18:34 GMT
#8037
On March 16 2023 03:31 Gorsameth wrote:
really makes you wonder what is going to happen when Ukraine launches a new counter offensive


That seemed to work pretty well last year. Let Russia exhaust themselves, then just run them over and free large amounts of territory.

I hope we will see the same procedure and effects this year.
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2095 Posts
March 15 2023 18:53 GMT
#8038
On March 16 2023 02:01 r00ty wrote:
The first Ukrainian crews have completed their Leopard 2A6 combat training in Germany and are returning "in a couple of days". The first batch of German Leopards will be in Ukraine "by the end of the month".

Source:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd9Qc2tt62U




Kudos, bravo, i can't say enough how good this is that germany is doing whats right, and beautiful video with only german language and voice over to listent to, it is music to my ears with german military vocabulary
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
March 15 2023 19:23 GMT
#8039
On March 16 2023 03:34 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2023 03:31 Gorsameth wrote:
really makes you wonder what is going to happen when Ukraine launches a new counter offensive


That seemed to work pretty well last year. Let Russia exhaust themselves, then just run them over and free large amounts of territory.

I hope we will see the same procedure and effects this year.


Its funny seeing RTS dynamics so clearly apply to IRL warfare. Russia has been trying to close this game out a few times, and each time, they end up over extending and in a worse position because of it.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18131 Posts
March 15 2023 20:40 GMT
#8040
On March 16 2023 04:23 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2023 03:34 Simberto wrote:
On March 16 2023 03:31 Gorsameth wrote:
really makes you wonder what is going to happen when Ukraine launches a new counter offensive


That seemed to work pretty well last year. Let Russia exhaust themselves, then just run them over and free large amounts of territory.

I hope we will see the same procedure and effects this year.


Its funny seeing RTS dynamics so clearly apply to IRL warfare. Russia has been trying to close this game out a few times, and each time, they end up over extending and in a worse position because of it.

Russia throwing 1000 zerglings into the Oliveira meat grinder?
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