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StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
March 15 2023 20:46 GMT
#8041
On March 16 2023 04:23 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2023 03:34 Simberto wrote:
On March 16 2023 03:31 Gorsameth wrote:
really makes you wonder what is going to happen when Ukraine launches a new counter offensive


That seemed to work pretty well last year. Let Russia exhaust themselves, then just run them over and free large amounts of territory.

I hope we will see the same procedure and effects this year.


Its funny seeing RTS dynamics so clearly apply to IRL warfare. Russia has been trying to close this game out a few times, and each time, they end up over extending and in a worse position because of it.

I guarantee you the concept of overextending and overstaying your welcome predate rts
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
March 16 2023 07:42 GMT
#8042
I don't think they claimed any different?
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-16 08:35:06
March 16 2023 08:34 GMT
#8043
Interesting article from a BBC journalist whose been with Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64955537

It's absolutely crazy to see a Maxim machine gun being used on the front-lines in 2023.
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
March 16 2023 09:10 GMT
#8044
On March 16 2023 17:34 MJG wrote:
Interesting article from a BBC journalist whose been with Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64955537

It's absolutely crazy to see a Maxim machine gun being used on the front-lines in 2023.


It's crazy in the sense that they should be museum pieces, I agree (I'm going to assume it's most likely a replica tho, as they're not uncommon), but in terms of the mechanics of a machine gun, they've evolved surprisingly little in the last 139 years. There's some differences in the exact mechanisms of course, but they're all varieties of "Push bullet into barrel, smak the back of it, pull empty shell out of barrel, repeat". Biggest drawback of that Maxim is the ridiculous weight, but if they're not lugging it around every day, that's more of a one-time issue
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
March 16 2023 10:37 GMT
#8045
I guess at the end of the day a gun is a gun, a bullet is a bullet, and a hole in the head is a hole in the head. Even civilians with handguns and molotov cocktails have helped repel Russian forces early during the invasion. Just the simple fact of a bit of extra lead filling the air creates additional problems for the enemy.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22705 Posts
March 16 2023 11:16 GMT
#8046
yeah and old gun, providing its been properly maintained, is going to kill someone just as well as a modern one. There hasn't been that much advancement outside of stuff like weight.

Quite different from say tanks or aircraft where more modern models can have significant improvements in firepower and defensive capabilities.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 16 2023 12:12 GMT
#8047
US government released footage from the reaper drone that got physically hit by russian fighter jets when they tried to dump fuel on top of it, pretty crazy footage

Neosteel Enthusiast
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
March 16 2023 13:27 GMT
#8048
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
March 16 2023 13:30 GMT
#8049
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 16 2023 15:11 GMT
#8050
That is quite the flex. Russia downs a drone and the US responds by showing they have the ability to bomb the FSB headquarters from the inside.
Ardias
Profile Joined January 2014
Russian Federation618 Posts
March 16 2023 16:28 GMT
#8051
On March 16 2023 22:27 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2023 21:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
US government released footage from the reaper drone that got physically hit by russian fighter jets when they tried to dump fuel on top of it, pretty crazy footage

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1636303923479805955

Christ that pilot's a complete imbecile

How so? He was ordered to bring down the drone without legal troubles (i.e. opening fire), and he did it.
Mess with the best or die like the rest.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-16 16:43:27
March 16 2023 16:42 GMT
#8052
Poland to give Ukraine fighter Jets.

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Poland’s president said Thursday that his country plans to give Ukraine around a dozen MiG-29 fighter jets, which would make it the first NATO member to fulfill the Ukrainian government’s increasingly urgent requests for warplanes.

President Andrzej Duda said Poland would hand over four of the Soviet-made warplanes “within the next few days” and that the rest needed servicing and would be supplied later. The Polish word he used to describe the total number can mean between 11 and 19.

“They are in the last years of their functioning, but they are in good working condition,” Duda said of the aircraft.

He did not say whether other countries would follow suit, although Slovakia has said it would send its disused MiGs to Ukraine. Poland also was the first NATO nation to provide Ukraine with German-made Leopard 2 tanks.

On Wednesday, Polish government spokesman Piotr Mueller said some other countries also had pledged MiGs to Kyiv, but he did not name them. Both Poland and Slovakia had indicated they were ready to hand over their planes, but only as part of a wider international coalition doing the same.

Germany’s government appeared to have been caught off guard by Duda’s announcement. “So far, everyone has agreed that it’s not the time to send fighter jets,” German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius told reporters. “I don’t have any confirmation from Poland yet that this has happened.”

Before Russia’s full-scale invasion, Ukraine had several dozen MiG-29s it inherited in the collapse of the Soviet Union, but it’s unclear how many of them remain in service after more than a year of fighting.

The debate over whether to provide non-NATO country Ukraine with fighter jets started last year, but NATO allies expressed concern about escalating the alliance’s role in the war. The hesitation continued even as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy made increasingly vocal pleas for Western supporters to share their warplanes.

Duda made the announcement during a joint news conference in Warsaw with the visiting Czech president, Petr Pavel.

Duda said Poland’s air force would replace the planes it gives to Ukraine with South Korea-made FA-50 fighters and American-made F-35s.


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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2350 Posts
March 16 2023 17:01 GMT
#8053
Yeah, old MiGs. They were going to be decomissioned soon and we hoped they will never be used in war. Unfortunately life doesn't go well with wishes.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
March 16 2023 17:31 GMT
#8054
On March 17 2023 01:28 Ardias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2023 22:27 plasmidghost wrote:
On March 16 2023 21:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
US government released footage from the reaper drone that got physically hit by russian fighter jets when they tried to dump fuel on top of it, pretty crazy footage

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1636303923479805955

Christ that pilot's a complete imbecile

How so? He was ordered to bring down the drone without legal troubles (i.e. opening fire), and he did it.


Uh, what? How is it without legal troubles? Intentionally downing another nations aircraft in international airspace is not legal regardless of how you do it. The consequences may have been more drastic if he had actually fired upon the drone, but the legality is hardly better.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12086 Posts
March 16 2023 17:38 GMT
#8055
Also, note that in this case "legal" is kind of strange.

It is more about "what will the US do about it" rather than "what will a court say". Sure, there may be international courts and so forth, but they mostly just kind of arbitrate between countries. Sovereign countries can always just say "no" (but that may lead to negative consequences).
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22705 Posts
March 16 2023 17:48 GMT
#8056
Yeah the reaction from the US is probably going to be rather different between "our incompetent pilot crashed into you" and "we openly shot at a piece of US equipment"
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 16 2023 18:08 GMT
#8057
On March 17 2023 00:11 Mohdoo wrote:
That is quite the flex. Russia downs a drone and the US responds by showing they have the ability to bomb the FSB headquarters from the inside.

Another freak smoking accident.
Ardias
Profile Joined January 2014
Russian Federation618 Posts
March 16 2023 18:12 GMT
#8058
On March 17 2023 02:31 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2023 01:28 Ardias wrote:
On March 16 2023 22:27 plasmidghost wrote:
On March 16 2023 21:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
US government released footage from the reaper drone that got physically hit by russian fighter jets when they tried to dump fuel on top of it, pretty crazy footage

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1636303923479805955

Christ that pilot's a complete imbecile

How so? He was ordered to bring down the drone without legal troubles (i.e. opening fire), and he did it.


Uh, what? How is it without legal troubles? Intentionally downing another nations aircraft in international airspace is not legal regardless of how you do it. The consequences may have been more drastic if he had actually fired upon the drone, but the legality is hardly better.

Firing on an aircraft or ship in international waters (airspace above is considered basically the same) is basically act of piracy at least.
While collision or fuel dumping could be easily passed as careless flying, techncal malfunction or whatever.
It was regular Soviet and Chinese tactic to push US vessels out of their zone of control without causing tension.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Black_Sea_bumping_incident
https://web.archive.org/web/20140729152940/http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_287.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

Mess with the best or die like the rest.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
March 16 2023 18:18 GMT
#8059
On March 17 2023 03:12 Ardias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2023 02:31 Ghostcom wrote:
On March 17 2023 01:28 Ardias wrote:
On March 16 2023 22:27 plasmidghost wrote:
On March 16 2023 21:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
US government released footage from the reaper drone that got physically hit by russian fighter jets when they tried to dump fuel on top of it, pretty crazy footage

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1636303923479805955

Christ that pilot's a complete imbecile

How so? He was ordered to bring down the drone without legal troubles (i.e. opening fire), and he did it.


Uh, what? How is it without legal troubles? Intentionally downing another nations aircraft in international airspace is not legal regardless of how you do it. The consequences may have been more drastic if he had actually fired upon the drone, but the legality is hardly better.

Firing on an aircraft or ship in international waters (airspace above is considered basically the same) is basically act of piracy at least.
While collision or fuel dumping could be easily passed as careless flying, techncal malfunction or whatever.
It was regular Soviet and Chinese tactic to push US vessels out of their zone of control without causing tension.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Black_Sea_bumping_incident
https://web.archive.org/web/20140729152940/http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_287.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident



I think you are conflating "we are going to accept your pisspoor excuse to not escalate things between nuclear powers" with "legal".
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5914 Posts
March 16 2023 18:28 GMT
#8060
On March 17 2023 03:12 Ardias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2023 02:31 Ghostcom wrote:
On March 17 2023 01:28 Ardias wrote:
On March 16 2023 22:27 plasmidghost wrote:
On March 16 2023 21:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
US government released footage from the reaper drone that got physically hit by russian fighter jets when they tried to dump fuel on top of it, pretty crazy footage

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1636303923479805955

Christ that pilot's a complete imbecile

How so? He was ordered to bring down the drone without legal troubles (i.e. opening fire), and he did it.


Uh, what? How is it without legal troubles? Intentionally downing another nations aircraft in international airspace is not legal regardless of how you do it. The consequences may have been more drastic if he had actually fired upon the drone, but the legality is hardly better.

Firing on an aircraft or ship in international waters (airspace above is considered basically the same) is basically act of piracy at least.
While collision or fuel dumping could be easily passed as careless flying, techncal malfunction or whatever.
It was regular Soviet and Chinese tactic to push US vessels out of their zone of control without causing tension.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Black_Sea_bumping_incident
https://web.archive.org/web/20140729152940/http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_287.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident


You are lucky the Americans are more level-headed than the mafia you call a government. They could easily down your fighter jet and get away with it, just like Turkey did.
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