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Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps?

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8882 2723 Posts 1 hour ago #1 Imagine that someone takes a typical pro-map - Python, Fighting Spirit, or anything newer and pastes it in the middle of a 256x256 map. Then they add the map "around" the center - so instead of battles only in the middle, there are 2 or 3 routes behind. Places for expansions too. Extended python: Python is actually not a good example, because there is simply no way to add easy spots behind - with 1-2 routes / more expos. However an "extended" python would look something like this: Here's another example: a 256 x 256 concept, where the middle is a relatively standard normal map (although with more distance between mains) and there are 2 routes behind the starting points - for more expansions and more possible strategies Note that mains need to be enlarged to block tank cheese (but still allow mutalisk harass). More empty space would need to be added in the middle to stop easy terran pushes and allow better flanking, would also stop the problem of "too many terrans". Apart from 4 mains and few usual expansions, there could be multiple extra expansions in the other parts of the map - the two routes that normally are hidden by the map border. On a side note, Starcraft engine does not allow to have a globe map, where there wouldnt be any border at all, but that would be at least interesting. The main idea is that apart from the usual 2-3 routes in center, there are multiple routes in the back - for more options of unit movements. Things to think about: * if 4 starting spots -> they should be farther away from each other, unfortunately this means macro play. Open topic is if they should allow to enter the base or not * maybe some smart neutral buildings, to be able to go out from the base to the "back" side of the map * ability to move army behind the usual part of map (green arrows in my crappy drawing) * more expansions, allowing to make a hidden expansion * armies stretched more thin - since many more places to expand * to balance against terran the maps couldnt have that many trees, ridges and similar * to balance against zerg, there should be space for turrets near standard mineral lines Basically you take a normal map and extend it - make it 4x times bigger.

Vasoline73 United States7872 Posts 54 minutes ago #2 I’ve always wondered how the standard maximum map size (128x128) was settled. Most people don’t want extremely long games or strategy unsound for normal maps… but you’d think they would occasionally try out a bigger map from time to time.

Crimson)S(hadow Philippines673 Posts 38 minutes ago #3 so like FS with pathfinder/outsider backdoor passageways? idk, sylphid's 12:00 is already a nightmare for terran to defend mutas, giving zerg an extra 180 degrees worth of angles to harass your base sounds like it would be imbalanced edit: i forgot about Battle Royal which had outer expansions, iirc the map was broken for zerg... maybe that was more because of the troy gates though

Artanis[Xp] Netherlands12971 Posts 14 minutes ago #4 The minimap gets tiny whenever you go above 128x128, I imagine that contributes to it.

8882 2723 Posts 6 minutes ago #5 None of the maps listed by Crimson)S(hadow is what I mean. In fact all of the maps presented by him could be "expanded" to have 1-2 additional routes behind the mains. Since this would mean more routes and more space, additional expansions could be made there - perhaps for a secret base that is relatively far away. Imagine that you take any standard map and draw 2 or 3 circles around it, which mean various types of low or high ground - that are divided perhaps by walls, or perhaps by this special "low ground" thing that can be passed by units. This adds much more space to the map, with possibility for unit movement.

Jealous 10318 Posts 3 minutes ago #6 Multiple entrances into main = PvZ graveyard. Tears of the Moon Protoss is evidence of this.

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