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Slovakia announces they will send fighter Jets to Ukraine.
March 17 (Reuters) - Slovakia on Friday became the second of Ukraine's allies to provide MIG-29 fighter jets which Kyiv believes are crucial to repel Russia's year-long invasion.
Slovakia joined Poland, which announced its delivery of the planes on Thursday. Both the NATO members neighbour Ukraine.
Its fleet of 11 MiG-29 planes was retired last summer and most of them are not in operational condition. It will send those that are operational and the rest will go for spare parts.
Slovakia will also supply part of its KUB air-defence system, Prime Minister Eduard Heger said.
"Today, the government decided and unanimously approved an international agreement (on the donation)," Heger said.
"The process of handing over these fighter jets is closely coordinated with the Polish side, with Ukraine and, of course, with other allies," he said.
Slovakia will receive financial compensation the European Union. It has also reached an agreement with the United States on deliveries of military material worth around $700 million, Heger said.
NATO allies in the former communist east such as Poland and Slovakia have been particularly vocal supporters of Kyiv since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022.
On Thursday, Poland announced it would send Ukraine four MiG-29 fighter jets in coming days, making it the first of Kyiv's allies to provide such aircraft.
Western countries that have provided Ukraine with arms have so far declined to send fighter jets.
Slovakia ordered F-16 fighter jets from the United States in 2018 to replace the ageing MiG-29 planes. The first U.S.-made planes are expected to arrive in 2024 after a delay.
Heger's government is ruling in a caretaker capacity until early elections set for September, which made the opposition and even some members of the ruling coalition question whether the cabinet is permitted to decide on such thing as the MiGs.
Heger said that law experts which his government consulted all said that the move was legally sound.
On March 17 2023 23:02 Ghostcom wrote: Russians are testing Denmark and Sweden so regularly with practice bombing runs and attack vector runs towards Bornholm and Gotland that it doesn't even make the news. Imagine the outrage if a similar strategy was employed. Nah, this BS is the typical Russian might makes right BS - do what you want and make up the story after - like Lavrov claiming Ukraine attacked Russia first. It is the same mentality at play when Ardias congratulates the pilot for a job well done.
Russian pilot had an order to down a drone collecting the intelligence to be used by Ukraine against Russian forces without firing at it. He did exactly that. About the use of US drones as support for Ukraine - https://theintercept.com/2022/03/17/us-intelligence-ukraine-russia/
On March 17 2023 04:58 Mohdoo wrote: They didn't blow up the whole building. There was an explosion within the building. It probably targeted something symbolic to send a clear signal to Putin. The event is small enough to sweep under the rug, but likely understood well enough for FSB to get the signal. Just like with Russia downing the drone, the goal is to send a signal without causing a diplomatic issue.
Russia has been intimidating others for decades, way before this war. The drone isn't them sending a signal, its just Tuesday. Except this time the pilot fucked up and collided.
As for downing the drone, what I am interested is whether the drone is flying closer to Russian side than usual, or the Russian felt the threat increased to the point it has to respond to (even if the drone just flown its "routine" route), or a combination of the above (plus other ) factor.
The Russian said the transponder of the drone was turned off. I hope someone can translate this to something that can be understand by layman.
It seems the Russian is trying to take the drone (recover from the sea), so I doubt downing the drone was a pure accident.
Contact between Russian jets and Reaper reportedly happened just 60 km off the Crimean coast, so much closer than usual. US's Global Hawks often patrol the Black Sea gathering recon on Crimea and transferring it to Ukraine, but they normally do it much further than that, somewhere closer to the current air traffic lines over the sea (you could check them on Flightradar). Transponder being turned off means that aircraft doesn't being identyfied properly (it may still be spotted on radar, but it requires closer inspection to understand what it is exactly) and could carry malicious intent (by the generally accepted rules of air traffic transponder should be turned on to avoid any accidents or misunderstanding). And no, it wasn't accident. US decided to test Russian response by diving deeper into the declared no-fly zone, Russia responded in a manner to bring down drone without directly hostile means (i.e. opening fire).
To all others responding that it doesn't matter how exactly the drone was brought down - if there is no difference why our pilot was risking his life and aircraft by fuel spraying, when he could simply shoot it down?
I find it interesting that the way that this incident is framed in the media I'm consuming is very different from your version. First, from what I've read, the drone was over international water (haven't heard anything about "declared no-fly zone" or it "testing" the Russians). Second, the Russian jet probably didn't try to outright destroy the drone. It was more like an attempt to make a statement; that the direct hit was more likely an accident since the plane was flying slowly and was hard to control properly.
I stand corrected regarding declared no-fly zone, however, both commercial flights and US recon drones so far for the last year didn't travel closer to Crimea than it is shown on screen below. Plus it's not clear if it was in international airspace, or within 12-mile radius from Crimea (territorial waters), since on the camera footage Sevastopol is in direct sight Ukrainian military site claims that it was 22 km away, so it would be borderline near terrtiorial waters or even crossing them somewhere. https://defence-ua.com/news/vtrachenij_mq_9_reaper_znahodivsja_vpritul_do_golovnoji_bazi_rf_u_okupovanomu_krimu_video-10971.html Maybe due to this ambiguity (or not wanting to escalate, but needing to take measures against) it was sprayed upon, not fired. Though I think spraying was 100% intentional.
On March 17 2023 22:32 Harris1st wrote: Local Radio just said the Pilot who brought down the drone will get a medal of honor or something. Will try to find a source
Pilots (I guess wingman as well) were indeed awarded by Shoigu. Source - Russian MoD https://t.me/mod_russia/24881 Also it claims the reason for attack on the drone - "Violation of the borders of temporary regime of airspace use establised with the purpose of executing special military operation". Couldn't google it previously, so I'll check later which areas this regime is supposed to affect.
On March 17 2023 23:00 Silvanel wrote: If they didn't try to destroy the drone, why did they dump (attempt to dump) fuel on it? This doesn't speak to me as accident. This was a deliberate attempt at downing it.
Your not going to drown a large military drown by dumping some fuel on it, the idea was likely to make America turn the drone around and go back because of potential dangers in flying around while covered in fuel. Aka intimidation.
If they wanted to destroy it they could have shot it or crashed something cheap of their own into it deliberately. Not screw up dumping fuel on it and crashing their own expensive plane.
It's possible the fuel thing could be just making it look like they're pissing on the American air force. More like "I'm literally pissing on your stuff, what you gonna do about it? You mad bro???" than "go back or else!".
If they wanted to endanger the drone without shooting it down they could try throwing it off balance by flipping its wing with the Russian jet's wing. British pilots did that to German V1s in ww2.
March 17 (Reuters) - Slovakia on Friday became the second of Ukraine's allies to provide MIG-29 fighter jets which Kyiv believes are crucial to repel Russia's year-long invasion.
Slovakia joined Poland, which announced its delivery of the planes on Thursday. Both the NATO members neighbour Ukraine.
Its fleet of 11 MiG-29 planes was retired last summer and most of them are not in operational condition. It will send those that are operational and the rest will go for spare parts.
Slovakia will also supply part of its KUB air-defence system, Prime Minister Eduard Heger said.
"Today, the government decided and unanimously approved an international agreement (on the donation)," Heger said.
"The process of handing over these fighter jets is closely coordinated with the Polish side, with Ukraine and, of course, with other allies," he said.
Slovakia will receive financial compensation the European Union. It has also reached an agreement with the United States on deliveries of military material worth around $700 million, Heger said.
NATO allies in the former communist east such as Poland and Slovakia have been particularly vocal supporters of Kyiv since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022.
On Thursday, Poland announced it would send Ukraine four MiG-29 fighter jets in coming days, making it the first of Kyiv's allies to provide such aircraft.
Western countries that have provided Ukraine with arms have so far declined to send fighter jets.
Slovakia ordered F-16 fighter jets from the United States in 2018 to replace the ageing MiG-29 planes. The first U.S.-made planes are expected to arrive in 2024 after a delay.
Heger's government is ruling in a caretaker capacity until early elections set for September, which made the opposition and even some members of the ruling coalition question whether the cabinet is permitted to decide on such thing as the MiGs.
Heger said that law experts which his government consulted all said that the move was legally sound.
Pretty good news all round for Ukraine. Just something that I heard on a podcast though about the feasibility of combat aircraft assistance to Ukraine.
Combat aircraft are useful, but given that Russia, with a generally superior air force to Ukraine is no longer willing to make any inroads into Ukraine held territory with their aircraft because of anti-air defenses, it's unlikely that any small amount of aircraft would allow Ukraine to enter Russian held territory. Ukraine may be able to lob bombs over the line of conflict a little further than they already are when combined with HIMARS+HARM, but not much beyond that.
Of course the US view Crimea as Ukrainian territory but none of this makes a difference because again, this is might makes right territory.
The reality is that you can have a whole bunch of misunderstandings, or not misunderstandings, if you’ve got a big enough army. In WW2 you can bomb Switzerland by mistake or seize railways in Persia on purpose and you’ll be forgiven because what else can they do. Russia can launch chemical weapon attacks on Salisbury and the UK takes it like a bitch because ultimately the answer to the question “do we feel like this is something we’d all like to die over” is always going to be no.
If next week the US shoots down a Russian jet then it’ll be a diplomatic incident but nothing will come of it. You could probably go as far as to launch a conventional bombing run on a friendly city and still call it a prank gone wrong. It won’t make you any friends but NK kills civilians with their random attacks from time to time and nobody holds them to account.
The US will do something in return because that’s the game but everyone is on the same page here that we’re not going to do world war 3.
On March 17 2023 23:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Slovakia announces they will send fighter Jets to Ukraine.
March 17 (Reuters) - Slovakia on Friday became the second of Ukraine's allies to provide MIG-29 fighter jets which Kyiv believes are crucial to repel Russia's year-long invasion.
Slovakia joined Poland, which announced its delivery of the planes on Thursday. Both the NATO members neighbour Ukraine.
Its fleet of 11 MiG-29 planes was retired last summer and most of them are not in operational condition. It will send those that are operational and the rest will go for spare parts.
Slovakia will also supply part of its KUB air-defence system, Prime Minister Eduard Heger said.
"Today, the government decided and unanimously approved an international agreement (on the donation)," Heger said.
"The process of handing over these fighter jets is closely coordinated with the Polish side, with Ukraine and, of course, with other allies," he said.
Slovakia will receive financial compensation the European Union. It has also reached an agreement with the United States on deliveries of military material worth around $700 million, Heger said.
NATO allies in the former communist east such as Poland and Slovakia have been particularly vocal supporters of Kyiv since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022.
On Thursday, Poland announced it would send Ukraine four MiG-29 fighter jets in coming days, making it the first of Kyiv's allies to provide such aircraft.
Western countries that have provided Ukraine with arms have so far declined to send fighter jets.
Slovakia ordered F-16 fighter jets from the United States in 2018 to replace the ageing MiG-29 planes. The first U.S.-made planes are expected to arrive in 2024 after a delay.
Heger's government is ruling in a caretaker capacity until early elections set for September, which made the opposition and even some members of the ruling coalition question whether the cabinet is permitted to decide on such thing as the MiGs.
Heger said that law experts which his government consulted all said that the move was legally sound.
Pretty good news all round for Ukraine. Just something that I heard on a podcast though about the feasibility of combat aircraft assistance to Ukraine.
Combat aircraft are useful, but given that Russia, with a generally superior air force to Ukraine is no longer willing to make any inroads into Ukraine held territory with their aircraft because of anti-air defenses, it's unlikely that any small amount of aircraft would allow Ukraine to enter Russian held territory. Ukraine may be able to lob bombs over the line of conflict a little further than they already are when combined with HIMARS+HARM, but not much beyond that.
I read the military doctrines explained as the west opted for overwhelming air superiority which is expensive but cheap on lives whereas the east reacted with a shitload of anti air. Rather than attempt to wrest the skies from the west in a WW3 they hoped just to deny the skies and win on the ground.
What we’re seeing in Ukraine is a conflict between two former Soviet states and so neither has western air power and both have eastern anti air. That results in planes not being much of an issue which is, in turn, how we’re back on a conflict that looks surprisingly similar to WW1. The memes about how it’s been a year and Russia still doesn’t have air superiority are fun but their doctrine never assumed air superiority vs any peer military.
Unless we’re going to give Ukraine thousands of jets we’re unlikely to see them do the kind of air campaign the US would. Russia is, on paper at least, prepared to deny the skies.
On March 17 2023 23:02 Ghostcom wrote: Russians are testing Denmark and Sweden so regularly with practice bombing runs and attack vector runs towards Bornholm and Gotland that it doesn't even make the news. Imagine the outrage if a similar strategy was employed. Nah, this BS is the typical Russian might makes right BS - do what you want and make up the story after - like Lavrov claiming Ukraine attacked Russia first. It is the same mentality at play when Ardias congratulates the pilot for a job well done.
Russian pilot had an order to down a drone collecting the intelligence to be used by Ukraine against Russian forces without firing at it. He did exactly that. About the use of US drones as support for Ukraine - https://theintercept.com/2022/03/17/us-intelligence-ukraine-russia/
On March 17 2023 04:58 Mohdoo wrote: They didn't blow up the whole building. There was an explosion within the building. It probably targeted something symbolic to send a clear signal to Putin. The event is small enough to sweep under the rug, but likely understood well enough for FSB to get the signal. Just like with Russia downing the drone, the goal is to send a signal without causing a diplomatic issue.
Russia has been intimidating others for decades, way before this war. The drone isn't them sending a signal, its just Tuesday. Except this time the pilot fucked up and collided.
As for downing the drone, what I am interested is whether the drone is flying closer to Russian side than usual, or the Russian felt the threat increased to the point it has to respond to (even if the drone just flown its "routine" route), or a combination of the above (plus other ) factor.
The Russian said the transponder of the drone was turned off. I hope someone can translate this to something that can be understand by layman.
It seems the Russian is trying to take the drone (recover from the sea), so I doubt downing the drone was a pure accident.
Contact between Russian jets and Reaper reportedly happened just 60 km off the Crimean coast, so much closer than usual. US's Global Hawks often patrol the Black Sea gathering recon on Crimea and transferring it to Ukraine, but they normally do it much further than that, somewhere closer to the current air traffic lines over the sea (you could check them on Flightradar). Transponder being turned off means that aircraft doesn't being identyfied properly (it may still be spotted on radar, but it requires closer inspection to understand what it is exactly) and could carry malicious intent (by the generally accepted rules of air traffic transponder should be turned on to avoid any accidents or misunderstanding). And no, it wasn't accident. US decided to test Russian response by diving deeper into the declared no-fly zone, Russia responded in a manner to bring down drone without directly hostile means (i.e. opening fire).
To all others responding that it doesn't matter how exactly the drone was brought down - if there is no difference why our pilot was risking his life and aircraft by fuel spraying, when he could simply shoot it down?
I find it interesting that the way that this incident is framed in the media I'm consuming is very different from your version. First, from what I've read, the drone was over international water (haven't heard anything about "declared no-fly zone" or it "testing" the Russians). Second, the Russian jet probably didn't try to outright destroy the drone. It was more like an attempt to make a statement; that the direct hit was more likely an accident since the plane was flying slowly and was hard to control properly.
I stand corrected regarding declared no-fly zone, however, both commercial flights and US recon drones so far for the last year didn't travel closer to Crimea than it is shown on screen below. Plus it's not clear if it was in international airspace, or within 12-mile radius from Crimea (territorial waters), since on the camera footage Sevastopol is in direct sight Ukrainian military site claims that it was 22 km away, so it would be borderline near terrtiorial waters or even crossing them somewhere. https://defence-ua.com/news/vtrachenij_mq_9_reaper_znahodivsja_vpritul_do_golovnoji_bazi_rf_u_okupovanomu_krimu_video-10971.html Maybe due to this ambiguity (or not wanting to escalate, but needing to take measures against) it was sprayed upon, not fired. Though I think spraying was 100% intentional.
On March 17 2023 22:32 Harris1st wrote: Local Radio just said the Pilot who brought down the drone will get a medal of honor or something. Will try to find a source
Pilots (I guess wingman as well) were indeed awarded by Shoigu. Source - Russian MoD https://t.me/mod_russia/24881 Also it claims the reason for attack on the drone - "Violation of the borders of temporary regime of airspace use establised with the purpose of executing special military operation". Couldn't google it previously, so I'll check later which areas this regime is supposed to affect.
Territorial waters of Ukraine, as Kwark pointed out. It's bizarre how Russia feels the need to make up those stupid excuses knowing well that nobody believes them.
It's just the Russian way of politics. They did the same thing after the fraudulant Sochi winter games. They got banned from the Rio summer games as a result of 1600 pages of solid evidence being published, but the ban was lifted after the Kremlin flexed a few diplomatic muscles. This is why Russian leaders always think they can get away with everything - because history often proves them right. Not always, but often enough. The Russian military being an extension of Kremlin's politics means they also have free reign even when all the evidence proves their guilt.
The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin and Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova for the forced deportations of Ukrainian children:
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The court alleges he is responsible for war crimes, and has focused its claims on the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia.
It says the crimes were committed in Ukraine from 24 February 2022 - when Russia launched its full-scale invasion.
Moscow has denied the allegations and labelled the warrants as "outrageous".
In a statement, the ICC said it has reasonable grounds to believe Mr Putin committed the criminal acts directly, as well as working with others.
The court also said he failed to use his presidential powers to stop others who deported children.
Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, is also wanted by the ICC for the same crimes.
In the past, she has spoken openly of efforts to indoctrinate Ukrainian children taken to Russia.
Last September, Ms Lvova-Belova complained that some children removed from Mariupol "spoke badly about the [Russian President], said awful things and sang the Ukrainian anthem."
She has also claimed to have adopted a 15-year-old boy from Mariupol herself.
A Russian foreign ministry spokesperson has said the arrest warrants are meaningless.
"The decisions of the International Criminal Court have no meaning for our country, including from a legal point of view," Maria Zakharova said on Thursday, when word of the warrants being issued emerged.
That is because despite the warrants, the ICC has no powers to arrest suspects, and can only exercise jurisdiction within countries who are signed up to its agreement.
Russia is not a signatory - so it is unlikely either will be extradited, however it could affect them in other ways, such as being unable to travel.
That message was reiterated by Ms Zakharova who said "Russia is not a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and bears no obligations under it."
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev went as far as comparing the warrant to toilet paper.
"No need to explain WHERE this paper should be used," he said on Twitter, with a toilet paper emoji.
The ICC said it initially considered keeping the arrest warrants secret but eventually decided to make them public, in case it stooped further crimes from being committed.
Russian opposition leaders welcomed the announcement, with jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny's close ally Ivan Zhdanov tweeting "wow!".
"An arrest warrant for Putin! Yes, a symbolic step. But how important it is!" he wrote.
Ukraine's Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin said the decision was "historic for Ukraine and the entire international law system", while Ukraine's presidential chief of staff Andriy Yermak lauded the decision as "only the beginning".
The Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky said the ICC was right to issue the warrant and said Mr Putin should be "put to trial for the crime of aggression".
Jonathan Leader Maynard, a lecturer in international politics at King's College London said the warrants are unlikely to bother Putin too much, as the ICC "relies on cooperation from governments to actually arrest people, and the Russian government is obviously not going to cooperate in this respect".
But he said it could impact Mr Putin's freedom to travel around the world as other ICC signatory nations could assist with his arrest.
On March 18 2023 01:55 maybenexttime wrote: The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin and Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova for the forced deportations of Ukrainian children:
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The court alleges he is responsible for war crimes, and has focused its claims on the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia.
It says the crimes were committed in Ukraine from 24 February 2022 - when Russia launched its full-scale invasion.
Moscow has denied the allegations and labelled the warrants as "outrageous".
In a statement, the ICC said it has reasonable grounds to believe Mr Putin committed the criminal acts directly, as well as working with others.
The court also said he failed to use his presidential powers to stop others who deported children.
Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, is also wanted by the ICC for the same crimes.
In the past, she has spoken openly of efforts to indoctrinate Ukrainian children taken to Russia.
Last September, Ms Lvova-Belova complained that some children removed from Mariupol "spoke badly about the [Russian President], said awful things and sang the Ukrainian anthem."
She has also claimed to have adopted a 15-year-old boy from Mariupol herself.
A Russian foreign ministry spokesperson has said the arrest warrants are meaningless.
"The decisions of the International Criminal Court have no meaning for our country, including from a legal point of view," Maria Zakharova said on Thursday, when word of the warrants being issued emerged.
That is because despite the warrants, the ICC has no powers to arrest suspects, and can only exercise jurisdiction within countries who are signed up to its agreement.
Russia is not a signatory - so it is unlikely either will be extradited, however it could affect them in other ways, such as being unable to travel.
That message was reiterated by Ms Zakharova who said "Russia is not a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and bears no obligations under it."
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev went as far as comparing the warrant to toilet paper.
"No need to explain WHERE this paper should be used," he said on Twitter, with a toilet paper emoji.
The ICC said it initially considered keeping the arrest warrants secret but eventually decided to make them public, in case it stooped further crimes from being committed.
Russian opposition leaders welcomed the announcement, with jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny's close ally Ivan Zhdanov tweeting "wow!".
"An arrest warrant for Putin! Yes, a symbolic step. But how important it is!" he wrote.
Ukraine's Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin said the decision was "historic for Ukraine and the entire international law system", while Ukraine's presidential chief of staff Andriy Yermak lauded the decision as "only the beginning".
The Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky said the ICC was right to issue the warrant and said Mr Putin should be "put to trial for the crime of aggression".
Jonathan Leader Maynard, a lecturer in international politics at King's College London said the warrants are unlikely to bother Putin too much, as the ICC "relies on cooperation from governments to actually arrest people, and the Russian government is obviously not going to cooperate in this respect".
But he said it could impact Mr Putin's freedom to travel around the world as other ICC signatory nations could assist with his arrest.
The only way that matters is if Russia loses very badly and the replacement leadership decides to throw the west a bone. More likely they won't respect it because they would worry about being next if they did.
On March 18 2023 01:55 maybenexttime wrote: The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin and Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova for the forced deportations of Ukrainian children:
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The court alleges he is responsible for war crimes, and has focused its claims on the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia.
It says the crimes were committed in Ukraine from 24 February 2022 - when Russia launched its full-scale invasion.
Moscow has denied the allegations and labelled the warrants as "outrageous".
In a statement, the ICC said it has reasonable grounds to believe Mr Putin committed the criminal acts directly, as well as working with others.
The court also said he failed to use his presidential powers to stop others who deported children.
Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, is also wanted by the ICC for the same crimes.
In the past, she has spoken openly of efforts to indoctrinate Ukrainian children taken to Russia.
Last September, Ms Lvova-Belova complained that some children removed from Mariupol "spoke badly about the [Russian President], said awful things and sang the Ukrainian anthem."
She has also claimed to have adopted a 15-year-old boy from Mariupol herself.
A Russian foreign ministry spokesperson has said the arrest warrants are meaningless.
"The decisions of the International Criminal Court have no meaning for our country, including from a legal point of view," Maria Zakharova said on Thursday, when word of the warrants being issued emerged.
That is because despite the warrants, the ICC has no powers to arrest suspects, and can only exercise jurisdiction within countries who are signed up to its agreement.
Russia is not a signatory - so it is unlikely either will be extradited, however it could affect them in other ways, such as being unable to travel.
That message was reiterated by Ms Zakharova who said "Russia is not a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and bears no obligations under it."
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev went as far as comparing the warrant to toilet paper.
"No need to explain WHERE this paper should be used," he said on Twitter, with a toilet paper emoji.
The ICC said it initially considered keeping the arrest warrants secret but eventually decided to make them public, in case it stooped further crimes from being committed.
Russian opposition leaders welcomed the announcement, with jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny's close ally Ivan Zhdanov tweeting "wow!".
"An arrest warrant for Putin! Yes, a symbolic step. But how important it is!" he wrote.
Ukraine's Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin said the decision was "historic for Ukraine and the entire international law system", while Ukraine's presidential chief of staff Andriy Yermak lauded the decision as "only the beginning".
The Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky said the ICC was right to issue the warrant and said Mr Putin should be "put to trial for the crime of aggression".
Jonathan Leader Maynard, a lecturer in international politics at King's College London said the warrants are unlikely to bother Putin too much, as the ICC "relies on cooperation from governments to actually arrest people, and the Russian government is obviously not going to cooperate in this respect".
But he said it could impact Mr Putin's freedom to travel around the world as other ICC signatory nations could assist with his arrest.
The only way that matters is if Russia loses very badly and the replacement leadership decides to throw the west a bone. More likely they won't respect it because they would worry about being next if they did.
It matters for Putin's travel. He has become a persona non grata in the West. It also affects any potential negotiations. It might put additional pressure on Russia to topple Putin as a peace deal signed by a convicted war criminal might be seen as highly controversial.
Well, if anything, Putin will wear diapers and won't go much outside Russia and friendly countries for the foreseeable future. He is really a coward even if he projects power, it's deception. Why else does he go at extraordinary lengths to get rid of opposition...
On March 18 2023 01:55 maybenexttime wrote: The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin and Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova for the forced deportations of Ukrainian children:
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The court alleges he is responsible for war crimes, and has focused its claims on the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia.
It says the crimes were committed in Ukraine from 24 February 2022 - when Russia launched its full-scale invasion.
Moscow has denied the allegations and labelled the warrants as "outrageous".
In a statement, the ICC said it has reasonable grounds to believe Mr Putin committed the criminal acts directly, as well as working with others.
The court also said he failed to use his presidential powers to stop others who deported children.
Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, is also wanted by the ICC for the same crimes.
In the past, she has spoken openly of efforts to indoctrinate Ukrainian children taken to Russia.
Last September, Ms Lvova-Belova complained that some children removed from Mariupol "spoke badly about the [Russian President], said awful things and sang the Ukrainian anthem."
She has also claimed to have adopted a 15-year-old boy from Mariupol herself.
A Russian foreign ministry spokesperson has said the arrest warrants are meaningless.
"The decisions of the International Criminal Court have no meaning for our country, including from a legal point of view," Maria Zakharova said on Thursday, when word of the warrants being issued emerged.
That is because despite the warrants, the ICC has no powers to arrest suspects, and can only exercise jurisdiction within countries who are signed up to its agreement.
Russia is not a signatory - so it is unlikely either will be extradited, however it could affect them in other ways, such as being unable to travel.
That message was reiterated by Ms Zakharova who said "Russia is not a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and bears no obligations under it."
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev went as far as comparing the warrant to toilet paper.
"No need to explain WHERE this paper should be used," he said on Twitter, with a toilet paper emoji.
The ICC said it initially considered keeping the arrest warrants secret but eventually decided to make them public, in case it stooped further crimes from being committed.
Russian opposition leaders welcomed the announcement, with jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny's close ally Ivan Zhdanov tweeting "wow!".
"An arrest warrant for Putin! Yes, a symbolic step. But how important it is!" he wrote.
Ukraine's Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin said the decision was "historic for Ukraine and the entire international law system", while Ukraine's presidential chief of staff Andriy Yermak lauded the decision as "only the beginning".
The Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky said the ICC was right to issue the warrant and said Mr Putin should be "put to trial for the crime of aggression".
Jonathan Leader Maynard, a lecturer in international politics at King's College London said the warrants are unlikely to bother Putin too much, as the ICC "relies on cooperation from governments to actually arrest people, and the Russian government is obviously not going to cooperate in this respect".
But he said it could impact Mr Putin's freedom to travel around the world as other ICC signatory nations could assist with his arrest.
The only way that matters is if Russia loses very badly and the replacement leadership decides to throw the west a bone. More likely they won't respect it because they would worry about being next if they did.
No, this is kinda important. At the very least Putin can never go to the rest of Europe again and I guarantee you he's seething about it, he couldn't have imagined this outcome 13 months ago when he ordered the quick in-n-out regime change in Ukraine.
Footage from the pov of Russian soldiers during an assault at/near Vuhledar, with shelling attacks coming from both Russians and Ukrainians. No blood or gore, so in that regard it's SFW.
Tanks and infantry can be seen in the footage. Allegedly from the 155th Separate Guards Marine Brigade, which is a naval brigade that took part in the fight for Kiyv in 2022. Faces are blurred, otherwise no editing (correction: apparently it's edited at 3:25 before a Ukrainian soldier gets shot).
On March 18 2023 01:55 maybenexttime wrote: The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin and Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova for the forced deportations of Ukrainian children:
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The court alleges he is responsible for war crimes, and has focused its claims on the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia.
It says the crimes were committed in Ukraine from 24 February 2022 - when Russia launched its full-scale invasion.
Moscow has denied the allegations and labelled the warrants as "outrageous".
In a statement, the ICC said it has reasonable grounds to believe Mr Putin committed the criminal acts directly, as well as working with others.
The court also said he failed to use his presidential powers to stop others who deported children.
Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, is also wanted by the ICC for the same crimes.
In the past, she has spoken openly of efforts to indoctrinate Ukrainian children taken to Russia.
Last September, Ms Lvova-Belova complained that some children removed from Mariupol "spoke badly about the [Russian President], said awful things and sang the Ukrainian anthem."
She has also claimed to have adopted a 15-year-old boy from Mariupol herself.
A Russian foreign ministry spokesperson has said the arrest warrants are meaningless.
"The decisions of the International Criminal Court have no meaning for our country, including from a legal point of view," Maria Zakharova said on Thursday, when word of the warrants being issued emerged.
That is because despite the warrants, the ICC has no powers to arrest suspects, and can only exercise jurisdiction within countries who are signed up to its agreement.
Russia is not a signatory - so it is unlikely either will be extradited, however it could affect them in other ways, such as being unable to travel.
That message was reiterated by Ms Zakharova who said "Russia is not a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and bears no obligations under it."
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev went as far as comparing the warrant to toilet paper.
"No need to explain WHERE this paper should be used," he said on Twitter, with a toilet paper emoji.
The ICC said it initially considered keeping the arrest warrants secret but eventually decided to make them public, in case it stooped further crimes from being committed.
Russian opposition leaders welcomed the announcement, with jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny's close ally Ivan Zhdanov tweeting "wow!".
"An arrest warrant for Putin! Yes, a symbolic step. But how important it is!" he wrote.
Ukraine's Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin said the decision was "historic for Ukraine and the entire international law system", while Ukraine's presidential chief of staff Andriy Yermak lauded the decision as "only the beginning".
The Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky said the ICC was right to issue the warrant and said Mr Putin should be "put to trial for the crime of aggression".
Jonathan Leader Maynard, a lecturer in international politics at King's College London said the warrants are unlikely to bother Putin too much, as the ICC "relies on cooperation from governments to actually arrest people, and the Russian government is obviously not going to cooperate in this respect".
But he said it could impact Mr Putin's freedom to travel around the world as other ICC signatory nations could assist with his arrest.
The only way that matters is if Russia loses very badly and the replacement leadership decides to throw the west a bone. More likely they won't respect it because they would worry about being next if they did.
No, this is kinda important. At the very least Putin can never go to the rest of Europe again and I guarantee you he's seething about it, he couldn't have imagined this outcome 13 months ago when he ordered the quick in-n-out regime change in Ukraine.
He won't be able to get medical attention in the united states or Europe as well. Every dictator dreams of spending his money to save his life at the mayo clinic or some obscure facility in Europe. If he really is dieing from cancer he could find a cure for it, but not now.
On March 18 2023 01:55 maybenexttime wrote: The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin and Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova for the forced deportations of Ukrainian children:
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The court alleges he is responsible for war crimes, and has focused its claims on the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia.
It says the crimes were committed in Ukraine from 24 February 2022 - when Russia launched its full-scale invasion.
Moscow has denied the allegations and labelled the warrants as "outrageous".
In a statement, the ICC said it has reasonable grounds to believe Mr Putin committed the criminal acts directly, as well as working with others.
The court also said he failed to use his presidential powers to stop others who deported children.
Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, is also wanted by the ICC for the same crimes.
In the past, she has spoken openly of efforts to indoctrinate Ukrainian children taken to Russia.
Last September, Ms Lvova-Belova complained that some children removed from Mariupol "spoke badly about the [Russian President], said awful things and sang the Ukrainian anthem."
She has also claimed to have adopted a 15-year-old boy from Mariupol herself.
A Russian foreign ministry spokesperson has said the arrest warrants are meaningless.
"The decisions of the International Criminal Court have no meaning for our country, including from a legal point of view," Maria Zakharova said on Thursday, when word of the warrants being issued emerged.
That is because despite the warrants, the ICC has no powers to arrest suspects, and can only exercise jurisdiction within countries who are signed up to its agreement.
Russia is not a signatory - so it is unlikely either will be extradited, however it could affect them in other ways, such as being unable to travel.
That message was reiterated by Ms Zakharova who said "Russia is not a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and bears no obligations under it."
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev went as far as comparing the warrant to toilet paper.
"No need to explain WHERE this paper should be used," he said on Twitter, with a toilet paper emoji.
The ICC said it initially considered keeping the arrest warrants secret but eventually decided to make them public, in case it stooped further crimes from being committed.
Russian opposition leaders welcomed the announcement, with jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny's close ally Ivan Zhdanov tweeting "wow!".
"An arrest warrant for Putin! Yes, a symbolic step. But how important it is!" he wrote.
Ukraine's Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin said the decision was "historic for Ukraine and the entire international law system", while Ukraine's presidential chief of staff Andriy Yermak lauded the decision as "only the beginning".
The Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky said the ICC was right to issue the warrant and said Mr Putin should be "put to trial for the crime of aggression".
Jonathan Leader Maynard, a lecturer in international politics at King's College London said the warrants are unlikely to bother Putin too much, as the ICC "relies on cooperation from governments to actually arrest people, and the Russian government is obviously not going to cooperate in this respect".
But he said it could impact Mr Putin's freedom to travel around the world as other ICC signatory nations could assist with his arrest.
The only way that matters is if Russia loses very badly and the replacement leadership decides to throw the west a bone. More likely they won't respect it because they would worry about being next if they did.
No, this is kinda important. At the very least Putin can never go to the rest of Europe again and I guarantee you he's seething about it, he couldn't have imagined this outcome 13 months ago when he ordered the quick in-n-out regime change in Ukraine.
He won't be able to get medical attention in the united states or Europe as well. Every dictator dreams of spending his money to save his life at the mayo clinic or some obscure facility in Europe. If he really is dieing from cancer he could find a cure for it, but not now.
He'll fly everything in. And any doctor working for him will get permanent residency and protection. The offer will be too good to deny. But he might have to make do with second best treatment options since it's hard to get all the technology over the border. Still good enough to get rid of most cancers.
On March 18 2023 01:55 maybenexttime wrote: The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin and Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova for the forced deportations of Ukrainian children:
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The court alleges he is responsible for war crimes, and has focused its claims on the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia.
It says the crimes were committed in Ukraine from 24 February 2022 - when Russia launched its full-scale invasion.
Moscow has denied the allegations and labelled the warrants as "outrageous".
In a statement, the ICC said it has reasonable grounds to believe Mr Putin committed the criminal acts directly, as well as working with others.
The court also said he failed to use his presidential powers to stop others who deported children.
Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, is also wanted by the ICC for the same crimes.
In the past, she has spoken openly of efforts to indoctrinate Ukrainian children taken to Russia.
Last September, Ms Lvova-Belova complained that some children removed from Mariupol "spoke badly about the [Russian President], said awful things and sang the Ukrainian anthem."
She has also claimed to have adopted a 15-year-old boy from Mariupol herself.
A Russian foreign ministry spokesperson has said the arrest warrants are meaningless.
"The decisions of the International Criminal Court have no meaning for our country, including from a legal point of view," Maria Zakharova said on Thursday, when word of the warrants being issued emerged.
That is because despite the warrants, the ICC has no powers to arrest suspects, and can only exercise jurisdiction within countries who are signed up to its agreement.
Russia is not a signatory - so it is unlikely either will be extradited, however it could affect them in other ways, such as being unable to travel.
That message was reiterated by Ms Zakharova who said "Russia is not a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and bears no obligations under it."
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev went as far as comparing the warrant to toilet paper.
"No need to explain WHERE this paper should be used," he said on Twitter, with a toilet paper emoji.
The ICC said it initially considered keeping the arrest warrants secret but eventually decided to make them public, in case it stooped further crimes from being committed.
Russian opposition leaders welcomed the announcement, with jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny's close ally Ivan Zhdanov tweeting "wow!".
"An arrest warrant for Putin! Yes, a symbolic step. But how important it is!" he wrote.
Ukraine's Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin said the decision was "historic for Ukraine and the entire international law system", while Ukraine's presidential chief of staff Andriy Yermak lauded the decision as "only the beginning".
The Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky said the ICC was right to issue the warrant and said Mr Putin should be "put to trial for the crime of aggression".
Jonathan Leader Maynard, a lecturer in international politics at King's College London said the warrants are unlikely to bother Putin too much, as the ICC "relies on cooperation from governments to actually arrest people, and the Russian government is obviously not going to cooperate in this respect".
But he said it could impact Mr Putin's freedom to travel around the world as other ICC signatory nations could assist with his arrest.
The only way that matters is if Russia loses very badly and the replacement leadership decides to throw the west a bone. More likely they won't respect it because they would worry about being next if they did.
No, this is kinda important. At the very least Putin can never go to the rest of Europe again and I guarantee you he's seething about it, he couldn't have imagined this outcome 13 months ago when he ordered the quick in-n-out regime change in Ukraine.
He won't be able to get medical attention in the united states or Europe as well. Every dictator dreams of spending his money to save his life at the mayo clinic or some obscure facility in Europe. If he really is dieing from cancer he could find a cure for it, but not now.
He'll fly everything in. And any doctor working for him will get permanent residency and protection. The offer will be too good to deny. But he might have to make do with second best treatment options since it's hard to get all the technology over the border. Still good enough to get rid of most cancers.
Really? I would imagine any top doctor to already be living comfortably and not willing to risk "falling out of a window".
On March 18 2023 01:55 maybenexttime wrote: The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin and Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova for the forced deportations of Ukrainian children:
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The court alleges he is responsible for war crimes, and has focused its claims on the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia.
It says the crimes were committed in Ukraine from 24 February 2022 - when Russia launched its full-scale invasion.
Moscow has denied the allegations and labelled the warrants as "outrageous".
In a statement, the ICC said it has reasonable grounds to believe Mr Putin committed the criminal acts directly, as well as working with others.
The court also said he failed to use his presidential powers to stop others who deported children.
Russia's commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, is also wanted by the ICC for the same crimes.
In the past, she has spoken openly of efforts to indoctrinate Ukrainian children taken to Russia.
Last September, Ms Lvova-Belova complained that some children removed from Mariupol "spoke badly about the [Russian President], said awful things and sang the Ukrainian anthem."
She has also claimed to have adopted a 15-year-old boy from Mariupol herself.
A Russian foreign ministry spokesperson has said the arrest warrants are meaningless.
"The decisions of the International Criminal Court have no meaning for our country, including from a legal point of view," Maria Zakharova said on Thursday, when word of the warrants being issued emerged.
That is because despite the warrants, the ICC has no powers to arrest suspects, and can only exercise jurisdiction within countries who are signed up to its agreement.
Russia is not a signatory - so it is unlikely either will be extradited, however it could affect them in other ways, such as being unable to travel.
That message was reiterated by Ms Zakharova who said "Russia is not a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and bears no obligations under it."
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev went as far as comparing the warrant to toilet paper.
"No need to explain WHERE this paper should be used," he said on Twitter, with a toilet paper emoji.
The ICC said it initially considered keeping the arrest warrants secret but eventually decided to make them public, in case it stooped further crimes from being committed.
Russian opposition leaders welcomed the announcement, with jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny's close ally Ivan Zhdanov tweeting "wow!".
"An arrest warrant for Putin! Yes, a symbolic step. But how important it is!" he wrote.
Ukraine's Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin said the decision was "historic for Ukraine and the entire international law system", while Ukraine's presidential chief of staff Andriy Yermak lauded the decision as "only the beginning".
The Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky said the ICC was right to issue the warrant and said Mr Putin should be "put to trial for the crime of aggression".
Jonathan Leader Maynard, a lecturer in international politics at King's College London said the warrants are unlikely to bother Putin too much, as the ICC "relies on cooperation from governments to actually arrest people, and the Russian government is obviously not going to cooperate in this respect".
But he said it could impact Mr Putin's freedom to travel around the world as other ICC signatory nations could assist with his arrest.
The only way that matters is if Russia loses very badly and the replacement leadership decides to throw the west a bone. More likely they won't respect it because they would worry about being next if they did.
No, this is kinda important. At the very least Putin can never go to the rest of Europe again and I guarantee you he's seething about it, he couldn't have imagined this outcome 13 months ago when he ordered the quick in-n-out regime change in Ukraine.
He won't be able to get medical attention in the united states or Europe as well. Every dictator dreams of spending his money to save his life at the mayo clinic or some obscure facility in Europe. If he really is dieing from cancer he could find a cure for it, but not now.
He'll fly everything in. And any doctor working for him will get permanent residency and protection. The offer will be too good to deny. But he might have to make do with second best treatment options since it's hard to get all the technology over the border. Still good enough to get rid of most cancers.
Really? I would imagine any top doctor to already be living comfortably and not willing to risk "falling out of a window".
There are so many great doctors in the world, and many of them aren't well off because they're still building their career. The most attractive part of working for Putin would be that of not having to work around the clock and sacrifice one's health, which is one of the biggest complaints doctors have. I can't imagine this arrest warrant is much more than a nuisance for Putin. It could anger him, but probably nothing more than that.
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