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On November 14 2025 02:25 mindjames wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2025 01:36 Nebuchad wrote:On November 14 2025 00:47 mindjames wrote:
It's funny, you can see how my patience gradually runs out as I go through his post.
For anyone about to "well actually" me, please let me know first if you share the opinions of the above post, so I can know whether I should treat you as an honest interlocutor, or as someone who enjoys reading outrage memes on Twitter and considers it a good way to learn about the conflict. I don't see a ton of opinions in the above post, but in the broad lines I think it describes facts in a way that is similar to how I would describe them, it's pretty good. So I'm letting you know that. Brave! So to recap, you think: * Israel directly controls the economy of the west bank * Abbas is an Israeli puppet * The Israeli government is actively asking Arab Israelis to leave * Herzl was alluding to Arabs when he said the area is "plague-ridden" * Israeli leaders have historically garnered support by promising to make blacks, arabs and all other "inferior races" "subservient" * People in the west are "forced" to align with the pro-Israeli side * The support Israel gets from the west is for the purpose of combating "the Palestinian population" * It is unfair that Israel is being aided by the west while the literal enemies of the west, as well as groups it classifies as terrorist, are not enjoying the same treatment * And my favorite: "the extreme surveillance and control the palestinian population is subject to with the project Nimbus by amazon and google is what is awaiting us all as Palestine is a laboratory of the tool used to control us" Is that the case? At which point in reading that post did you go "man, this guy's cooking"?
I do not agree with your recap of the post, it is written specifically with an intent to discredit it. I am not impressed by that as this is very easy to do, most people are capable of that. I also don't really go "man, this guy's cooking" when I read posts, that's a bit childish.
I think stilt should continue this, I don't want to act as a distraction any more than I already have.
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On November 14 2025 02:33 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2025 02:25 mindjames wrote:On November 14 2025 01:36 Nebuchad wrote:On November 14 2025 00:47 mindjames wrote:
It's funny, you can see how my patience gradually runs out as I go through his post.
For anyone about to "well actually" me, please let me know first if you share the opinions of the above post, so I can know whether I should treat you as an honest interlocutor, or as someone who enjoys reading outrage memes on Twitter and considers it a good way to learn about the conflict. I don't see a ton of opinions in the above post, but in the broad lines I think it describes facts in a way that is similar to how I would describe them, it's pretty good. So I'm letting you know that. Brave! So to recap, you think: * Israel directly controls the economy of the west bank * Abbas is an Israeli puppet * The Israeli government is actively asking Arab Israelis to leave * Herzl was alluding to Arabs when he said the area is "plague-ridden" * Israeli leaders have historically garnered support by promising to make blacks, arabs and all other "inferior races" "subservient" * People in the west are "forced" to align with the pro-Israeli side * The support Israel gets from the west is for the purpose of combating "the Palestinian population" * It is unfair that Israel is being aided by the west while the literal enemies of the west, as well as groups it classifies as terrorist, are not enjoying the same treatment * And my favorite: "the extreme surveillance and control the palestinian population is subject to with the project Nimbus by amazon and google is what is awaiting us all as Palestine is a laboratory of the tool used to control us" Is that the case? At which point in reading that post did you go "man, this guy's cooking"? I do not agree with your recap of the post, it is written specifically with an intent to discredit it. I am not impressed by that as this is very easy to do, most people are capable of that. I also don't really go "man, this guy's cooking" when I read posts, that's a bit childish. I think stilt should continue this, I don't want to act as a distraction any more than I already have.
No, you don't get to do that. You were trying to poke me and get my reaction. You just got it. Don't run away. Explain how I've misinterpreted the original post. Or at the very least, say which of Stilt's points you agree and disagree with, you don't have to take my supposedly biased recap.
Or maybe you were just trying to signal which side you're on without actually engaging with any of the arguments? Do you think that's a worthwhile contribution?
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On November 14 2025 02:41 mindjames wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2025 02:33 Nebuchad wrote:On November 14 2025 02:25 mindjames wrote:On November 14 2025 01:36 Nebuchad wrote:On November 14 2025 00:47 mindjames wrote:
It's funny, you can see how my patience gradually runs out as I go through his post.
For anyone about to "well actually" me, please let me know first if you share the opinions of the above post, so I can know whether I should treat you as an honest interlocutor, or as someone who enjoys reading outrage memes on Twitter and considers it a good way to learn about the conflict. I don't see a ton of opinions in the above post, but in the broad lines I think it describes facts in a way that is similar to how I would describe them, it's pretty good. So I'm letting you know that. Brave! So to recap, you think: * Israel directly controls the economy of the west bank * Abbas is an Israeli puppet * The Israeli government is actively asking Arab Israelis to leave * Herzl was alluding to Arabs when he said the area is "plague-ridden" * Israeli leaders have historically garnered support by promising to make blacks, arabs and all other "inferior races" "subservient" * People in the west are "forced" to align with the pro-Israeli side * The support Israel gets from the west is for the purpose of combating "the Palestinian population" * It is unfair that Israel is being aided by the west while the literal enemies of the west, as well as groups it classifies as terrorist, are not enjoying the same treatment * And my favorite: "the extreme surveillance and control the palestinian population is subject to with the project Nimbus by amazon and google is what is awaiting us all as Palestine is a laboratory of the tool used to control us" Is that the case? At which point in reading that post did you go "man, this guy's cooking"? I do not agree with your recap of the post, it is written specifically with an intent to discredit it. I am not impressed by that as this is very easy to do, most people are capable of that. I also don't really go "man, this guy's cooking" when I read posts, that's a bit childish. I think stilt should continue this, I don't want to act as a distraction any more than I already have. No, you don't get to do that. You were trying to poke me and get my reaction. You just got it. Don't run away. Explain how I've misinterpreted the original post. Or at the very least, say which of Stilt's points you agree and disagree with, you don't have to take my supposedly biased recap. Or maybe you were just trying to signal which side you're on without actually engaging with any of the arguments? Do you think that's a worthwhile contribution?
I think it's a contribution that is exactly on the same level of worth as demanding to know who agrees with the post so that they can be treated as not honest contributors. The main reason why I have that thought is because it obviously is.
Take it to PM maybe?
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On November 14 2025 02:44 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2025 02:41 mindjames wrote:On November 14 2025 02:33 Nebuchad wrote:On November 14 2025 02:25 mindjames wrote:On November 14 2025 01:36 Nebuchad wrote:On November 14 2025 00:47 mindjames wrote:
It's funny, you can see how my patience gradually runs out as I go through his post.
For anyone about to "well actually" me, please let me know first if you share the opinions of the above post, so I can know whether I should treat you as an honest interlocutor, or as someone who enjoys reading outrage memes on Twitter and considers it a good way to learn about the conflict. I don't see a ton of opinions in the above post, but in the broad lines I think it describes facts in a way that is similar to how I would describe them, it's pretty good. So I'm letting you know that. Brave! So to recap, you think: * Israel directly controls the economy of the west bank * Abbas is an Israeli puppet * The Israeli government is actively asking Arab Israelis to leave * Herzl was alluding to Arabs when he said the area is "plague-ridden" * Israeli leaders have historically garnered support by promising to make blacks, arabs and all other "inferior races" "subservient" * People in the west are "forced" to align with the pro-Israeli side * The support Israel gets from the west is for the purpose of combating "the Palestinian population" * It is unfair that Israel is being aided by the west while the literal enemies of the west, as well as groups it classifies as terrorist, are not enjoying the same treatment * And my favorite: "the extreme surveillance and control the palestinian population is subject to with the project Nimbus by amazon and google is what is awaiting us all as Palestine is a laboratory of the tool used to control us" Is that the case? At which point in reading that post did you go "man, this guy's cooking"? I do not agree with your recap of the post, it is written specifically with an intent to discredit it. I am not impressed by that as this is very easy to do, most people are capable of that. I also don't really go "man, this guy's cooking" when I read posts, that's a bit childish. I think stilt should continue this, I don't want to act as a distraction any more than I already have. No, you don't get to do that. You were trying to poke me and get my reaction. You just got it. Don't run away. Explain how I've misinterpreted the original post. Or at the very least, say which of Stilt's points you agree and disagree with, you don't have to take my supposedly biased recap. Or maybe you were just trying to signal which side you're on without actually engaging with any of the arguments? Do you think that's a worthwhile contribution? I think it's a contribution that is exactly on the same level of worth as demanding to know who agrees with the post so that they can be treated as not honest contributors. The main reason why I have that thought is because it obviously is.
Right, so my contribution is supposedly limited to asking people who they agree with, never mind the mile-long post before that which goes point by point.
See, this is why I ask these questions. Your opinion means less than nothing to me if you align yourself with the people expressing the most off-the-wall, batshit conspiracy brain rot the internet has to offer, just because they are on the side that you generally agree with. I don't have to be a Kahanist to oppose Hamas, and you don't have to be a Jihadist to oppose Netanyahu.
But nice try, challenging my post and then expecting others to fill in the blanks that you clearly have no idea about. So brave and admirable!
Edit: You can take it to PM, be my guest. I just wanted you to know what I think about your empty callout.
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