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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On January 20 2022 16:18 Nick_54 wrote: Do you all really think anything consequential will happen to Trump as a result of this? Personally I think its about as likely as Hillary being "locked up." While I doubt anything will happen to Trump because of it, it should at least blacken the reputations of the people who continue to support and enable him. Let's not them get away with rewriting history with their "it was just a peaceful demonstration" bullshit. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25474 Posts
On January 20 2022 15:28 Sermokala wrote: He literally held a rally to tell people to do what they did and refused to say anything while people were dying and the congress was being evacuated. You don't get to tell people to attack the government doing it's business and then act shocked when it happens You apparently do if you’re Trump. If I wasn’t clear enough I 100% agree with you on his culpability, but he’s already skated on this once before so I’m assuming unless there’s some smoking gun in those files that were requisitioned he will again. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
On January 20 2022 16:26 Starlightsun wrote: While I doubt anything will happen to Trump because of it, it should at least blacken the reputations of the people who continue to support and enable him. Let's not them get away with rewriting history with their "it was just a peaceful demonstration" bullshit. Can the reputations of the likes of Matt Gaetz and all of the other Qanon nutters get any blacker though? Their reputations are basically as tarnished as they can get in the US. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On January 20 2022 16:54 Zambrah wrote: Can the reputations of the likes of Matt Gaetz and all of the other Qanon nutters get any blacker though? Their reputations are basically as tarnished as they can get in the US. Not those guys but since the entire Republican party is backing Trump now, there must be some among them who actually care how history will judge them. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25474 Posts
Among Trump’s many, many admirable qualities not actually believing much of what he’s spouting is at least some check on him in certain domains. Perhaps they’re outliers but Magic the Gathering or Boebert seem to be melding Trumpian rhetoric with actually believing their shtick | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
On January 20 2022 17:06 Starlightsun wrote: Not those guys but since the entire Republican party is backing Trump now, there must be some among them who actually care how history will judge them. They probably saw how Bush got rehabilitated and are not worried. Either they get rehabilitated for painting shitty portraits and going to baseball games with Obama or whatever or they wind up In Power in a new fascist world, I think they're cool with either | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25474 Posts
On January 20 2022 17:50 Zambrah wrote: They probably saw how Bush got rehabilitated and are not worried. Either they get rehabilitated for painting shitty portraits and going to baseball games with Obama or whatever or they wind up In Power in a new fascist world, I think they're cool with either As bad as what Bush did I don’t think he’s really comparable to what we’re seeing now. He and his reign largely fit within accepted norms, I don’t recall him having a captive audience quite as out of whack with the rest of society who’d say, go to storm the Capitol for him. But yeah Iraq, Bush is an exemplar of the system working smoothly and leading to horrific ends. Trump et al it’s a wholesale disintegration of those mechanisms and a widening societal schism | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
What he did was pretty bad though, and seeing him hanging out with Obama and seeing people go, "he ain't so bad!" makes me feel that in the future we'll see the not-Qanon Republicans basically be fine in the long term, maybe see some Dick Cheney-esque reputations from the Gaetz and Traitor-Greene types, but I think the majority of complicit Republicans are going to wind up like Bush. | ||
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Husyelt
United States832 Posts
You shouldn’t be able to claim an election was stolen the night of the election without evidence and ever have any standing politically again. Let alone having your supporters riot and party inside the Capitol. And yet here we are. Trump has this strange hyperbole always tethered to him. Those early republicans that were “never trumpers” who resigned or challenged in primaries really were the turning point for his cult of personality. After that any actual pointed criticism of him or his policies was lost in the sea of media outrage and back and forth. If Trump did something objectively bad like a 3/5 scale. Instead of acknowledging that and moving on, the supporters could point to the 5/5 outrage and claim that 5/5 score is itself an outrage. And then now we have now a 5/5 Election Stolen bad thing. And it turns into a 10/5 and we are arguing over is it a 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10? “Ted Cruz, you claimed this was a very bad thing.” “Yes, but I misspoke but did you see that some people are claiming this is a 9? That frankly is dividing America”. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On January 20 2022 15:11 KwarK wrote: Did he not summon them all there to “stop the steal”? I feel like the rioters all knew why they were there and on whose behalf. Trump is certainly responsible for what happened in a moral sense, but likely not in a criminal sense. He said it's "up to congress" to do something, and told the crowd to walk to the capitol to "cheer on" congress. Elsewhere in that speech he told the crowd to go "peacefully." The part where he talks about strength and weakness is just too vague to establish anything. In any case, many in the crowd apparently couldn't hear what he was saying. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On January 20 2022 14:48 WombaT wrote: It would seem Trump’s behaviour lies somewhere between entirely proper and criminally prosecutable. Closer to the latter for me. Being grossly irresponsible by rabble rousing isn’t a crime. Perhaps they find something in these documents that changes that calculus. I’m sure there’s plenty of the ‘vote blue no matter who’ crowd who just want Trump in jail regardless of the particulars of anything, at least on here I don’t imagine of us actually believe Trump crossed the line into actually coordinating January 6th. For one, you’d be assuming Trump had the ability to logistically coordinate anything. On the plus side Trump has so many bullets with his name on it that surely eventually one of them will hit the target and he might go down for something. I wouldn't even count on that. The best aimed bullet is the one fired by the NY state prosecutors and they've basically shown us their cards already. Weisselberg ain't flipping. | ||
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Slydie
1921 Posts
On January 21 2022 01:11 Doc.Rivers wrote: Trump is certainly responsible for what happened in a moral sense, but likely not in a criminal sense. He said it's "up to congress" to do something, and told the crowd to walk to the capitol to "cheer on" congress. Elsewhere in that speech he told the crowd to go "peacefully." The part where he talks about strength and weakness is just too vague to establish anything. In any case, many in the crowd apparently couldn't hear what he was saying. In a political sense, he was responsable, and if Trump runs for president again, the Dems should spam videos of the insurrection left, right and center to make sure nobody forgets what a disgrace Trump was for the US. Doubling down on the "stolen" narrative should not be enough to push him over the edge after it clearly has no merit in the real world. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
Show ads of the miserable asshats who got prison sentences, make them look dumb, and weak, and pathetic, say how Trump abandoned them, he couldn't even help his own people. Make the US proto-Fascist movement look weak and incompetent. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Husyelt
United States832 Posts
On January 21 2022 01:54 JimmiC wrote: I wish the democracy itself or each state election board could sue these assholes for defamation, for continuing to say it was stolen with zero evidence. At this point there is piles of evidemce to the opposite. What they are saying is doing harm, and without consequense it is just going to be the move going forward for all politicians. Its great for fund raising and you never have to admit fault. Hit them hard in the pocketbook, no proof STFU. You want to make the claim, sure but you pay for the review if it comes up empty. Haven’t some been sued over the Dominion stuff? Also, in a lot of the court cases, fraud wasn’t even alleged. Unless you are specifically talking about like Cable News ala Newsmax/OAN/Fox | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Broetchenholer
Germany1944 Posts
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Slydie
1921 Posts
On January 21 2022 17:23 Broetchenholer wrote: It is immensely funny to me that the country where you can sue McDonald's over serving you hot coffee is not able to stop it's politicians from saying incorrect things with the goal to mislead and make money. I don't understand why not all of the republican senators have civil lawsuits against them because someone felt cheated out of money when he donated or something similar. Or more defamation lawsuits ala dominion. There is so much money to be maid... That hot coffee story has a lot more to it... Like that the woman was sitting in a parked car and had to go to hospital for severe burns in on and around her private parts. She sued to have her expenses covered, but it got spun by McDonalds as the stupid "hot coffee" sue, as it was actually one of the rare cases where a normal person won against big money. They obviously saw it as a threat. The 2 cases are connected, but not the way you think. | ||
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