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JimmiC
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On December 25 2021 07:05 Zambrah wrote: Oh, it’s being requested, no one who wants student debt relief doesn’t also want education reform, not a single human being in this thread has or is or ever will not advocate for that, but we aren’t getting that, and we need relief, so we want what we can get instead of praying for some mythical Democrat ultra majority of entirely progressives to come around and completely fix every higher education issue all at once. Yup. Debt forgiveness is literally the Biden of the issue. Not what is wanted, but better than the alternative of nothing. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On December 25 2021 07:12 Gahlo wrote: Yup. Debt forgiveness is literally the Biden of the issue. Not what is wanted, but better than the alternative of nothing. We had a pause during Trump. How are Republicans the bad scenario here? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On December 25 2021 12:19 Mohdoo wrote: We had a pause during Trump. How are Republicans the bad scenario here? You're being too literal right now. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2696 Posts
Well, one could argue that, financially speaking, families were better off under Trump. It took a pandemic, but they did the right thing. I think it's okay to give credit where it's due. In fact, I'm not sure what the difference would be up to now if Trump had been reelected. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On December 26 2021 01:47 EnDeR_ wrote: Well, one could argue that, financially speaking, families were better off under Trump. It took a pandemic, but they did the right thing. I think it's okay to give credit where it's due. In fact, I'm not sure what the difference would be up to now if Trump had been reelected. Good lord people. I'm comparing a pause in payment being better than business as usual to the political status of the US under Democrats being better than under Republicans. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On December 26 2021 02:42 Gahlo wrote: Good lord people. I'm comparing a pause in payment being better than business as usual to the political status of the US under Democrats being better than under Republicans. Biden’s desperation to start student loans as soon as possible shows me business as usual will not be better than under Trump. There was no announcement of interest forgiveness, reduction in interest rates, differences to income based repayment, nothing. Trump has clearly made democrats feel like they don’t need to do anything to keep my vote. Pelosi openly saying “‘no, should be able to insider trade” along with Biden trying to quickly resume payments shows me all I need to know. They do not intend to work for my vote. They are arrogant and think they can do whatever they want and still keep their power. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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justanothertownie
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On December 26 2021 03:18 Mohdoo wrote: Biden’s desperation to start student loans as soon as possible shows me business as usual will not be better than under Trump. There was no announcement of interest forgiveness, reduction in interest rates, differences to income based repayment, nothing. Trump has clearly made democrats feel like they don’t need to do anything to keep my vote. Pelosi openly saying “‘no, should be able to insider trade” along with Biden trying to quickly resume payments shows me all I need to know. They do not intend to work for my vote. They are arrogant and think they can do whatever they want and still keep their power. This to me highlights a fundamental problem. When the bar for "working for my vote" is literally giving an arbitrarily chosen subset of the populace free money without addressing any underlying issues or having a long term strategy for the arising problems. If that is the thing that makes you enable Republicans taking over your country then you really don't care about improving the state of your democracy but only about yourself instead. Considering the state of the US that is deeply troubling. The insider trading part is a different story of course. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On December 26 2021 04:00 justanothertownie wrote: This to me highlights a fundamental problem. When the bar for "working for my vote" is literally giving an arbitrarily chosen subset of the populace free money without addressing any underlying issues or having a long term strategy for the arising problems. If that is the thing that makes you enable Republicans taking over your country then you really don't care about improving the state of your democracy but only about yourself instead. Considering the state of the US that is deeply troubling. The insider trading part is a different story of course. Doesn’t need to be free money. Set interest to 0, remove all accrued interest and apply all my previous payments to the original balance. I can of course accept paying back what I borrowed. I can’t stomach my country charging students who don’t have family money to pay tuition interest to better themselves through education. I simply can’t vote for a party that chooses not to fix that. Government loans for students having any interest whatsoever is an abomination. Insider trading *contextualizes* why they aren’t doing that | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
Jesus. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On December 26 2021 05:31 Erasme wrote: Are we back to "Lets vote Trump to protest the statut quo, can't be worse!" ? Jesus. I’m not voting for trump but I’m not voting for anyone who supports Pelosi as speaker or anyone who thinks student loans should have an interest rate. I live in Oregon though, so it is just jacking myself off. My entire zip code could flip republican and Oregon would be firmly blue | ||
micronesia
United States24690 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21707 Posts
On December 26 2021 06:12 micronesia wrote: Everyone here wants long term implementations that actually work to reduce costs.I still feel like reducing the interest rates for student loans to zero would just cause education costs to creep up a bit more to compensate (a little more than how much interest is typically paid by student borrowers).... that's why it's important for long-term student debt relief to get implemented in concert with other meaningful reform... otherwise the problem just gets worse. But that takes Congress and is therefor impossible. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On December 26 2021 06:12 micronesia wrote: I still feel like reducing the interest rates for student loans to zero would just cause education costs to creep up a bit more to compensate (a little more than how much interest is typically paid by student borrowers).... that's why it's important for long-term student debt relief to get implemented in concert with other meaningful reform... otherwise the problem just gets worse. So then add cost increase limits and don’t give schools funding if their % increase goes above the limit. That can be done entirely unilaterally. I plain and simply reject this ridiculous “well hold on, let’s make sure the whole system is reformed at the same time”. No, I won’t vote for that. Biden can do a lot if he wanted to. There are ways to get things done that aren’t elegant. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On December 26 2021 06:09 Mohdoo wrote: I’m not voting for trump but I’m not voting for anyone who supports Pelosi as speaker or anyone who thinks student loans should have an interest rate. I live in Oregon though, so it is just jacking myself off. My entire zip code could flip republican and Oregon would be firmly blue Ye i get that. Let's say that the freeze stops, and the republicans win every major election until 2024, do you think they would do anything about the student debt ? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On December 26 2021 06:29 Erasme wrote: Ye i get that. Let's say that the freeze stops, and the republicans win every major election until 2024, do you think they would do anything about the student debt ? If republicans win I’ll relocate to Europe and it won’t matter | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21707 Posts
On December 26 2021 06:23 Mohdoo wrote: Can Biden do that via executive decree? Because otherwise, again, its impossible with the current state of Congress.So then add cost increase limits and don’t give schools funding if their % increase goes above the limit. That can be done entirely unilaterally. I plain and simply reject this ridiculous “well hold on, let’s make sure the whole system is reformed at the same time”. No, I won’t vote for that. Biden can do a lot if he wanted to. There are ways to get things done that aren’t elegant. | ||
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