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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On February 27 2021 09:25 Mohdoo wrote: Have democrats ever made golden statues of past presidents? Holy smokes this is creepy. What have I missed? | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Obviously Trump would want his bust to be the same colour as his toilet. | ||
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WombaT
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GreenHorizons
United States24378 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On February 27 2021 10:29 GreenHorizons wrote: What happened to the hundreds of bills that would be passed if McConnell couldn't stop them from getting voted on? Well they all have to be re passed, and right now the house is working on stim? I assume once the big stuff is out of the way the stuff they got done once can come up for a vote | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22646 Posts
On February 27 2021 10:29 GreenHorizons wrote: Its been a month?What happened to the hundreds of bills that would be passed if McConnell couldn't stop them from getting voted on? Like seriously, can you do anything but whine? Your complaint is now that the Senate hasn't been passing 3 major pieces of legislation a day, including weekends? | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On February 27 2021 10:59 Gorsameth wrote: Its been a month? Like seriously, can you do anything but whine? Your complaint is now that the Senate hasn't been passing 3 major pieces of legislation a day, including weekends? Yea, some of the progressives in here are getting incredibly whiny and are holding some absurd expectations that are reaching the level of far right Trumpers. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24378 Posts
On February 27 2021 10:59 Gorsameth wrote: Its been a month? Like seriously, can you do anything but whine? Your complaint is now that the Senate hasn't been passing 3 major pieces of legislation a day, including weekends? Almost 2 months + Show Spoiler + (EDIT: granted they couldn't actually do the voting part for almost a month of that) The idea that covid relief (which is largely just continuing existing responses) has been too complicated for them to be passing things they've already written and passed before (but McConnell stopped) is asinine to me. As long as Democrats have strung people along thinking Trump would be removed from office and/or sent to prison I fully expect to be hearing the "what do you expect them to do it's only been/THE RUPUBLICANS!!!" all the way until they lose the house, senate, and white house again. EDIT: Thousands of people are dying every day from an ongoing pandemic and Democrats aren't even passing hazard pay for the essential workers having to work amid the public, often for months without adequate PPE (people I know). I disagree that pointing out that inaction is "whining". | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Genuinely curious, what is the bar people have for him, is it just a notch above Trump, is he fine as long as he just reverts a certain amount of what Trump was doing, or are there higher standards/expectations for what you expect him to accomplish with two years of a Democrat house, congress, and presidency? Would you accept almost no legislation being passed if Manchin and Sinema were holding it up as acceptable? When do we decide that they're worth primarying? I'm legitimately curious what bar people have for Biden and the Democrats right now, its pretty obvious that me and GH have basically no patience for Democrats, but what are everyone else's limits and expectations, and what would it take for you to declare that Biden and the Democrats fell below those expectations? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On February 27 2021 11:50 JimmiC wrote: Depends what you mean. Do you mean how long until frustrated? How long until vote republican? Or how long until we March onto capital hill for a inserection like GH suggested a page or 2 ago? How long until frustrated is good, I don't expect almost anyone here would vote Republican basically ever, but maybe somewhere between acknowledging his presidency as poor and voting for someone else/abstaining from voting for him again. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States44361 Posts
On February 27 2021 11:37 GreenHorizons wrote: Almost 2 months + Show Spoiler + (EDIT: granted they couldn't actually do the voting part for almost a month of that) The idea that covid relief (which is largely just continuing existing responses) has been too complicated for them to be passing things they've already written and passed before (but McConnell stopped) is asinine to me. As long as Democrats have strung people along thinking Trump would be removed from office and/or sent to prison I fully expect to be hearing the "what do you expect them to do it's only been/THE RUPUBLICANS!!!" all the way until they lose the house, senate, and white house again. EDIT: Thousands of people are dying every day from an ongoing pandemic and Democrats aren't even passing hazard pay for the essential workers having to work amid the public, often for months without adequate PPE (people I know). I disagree that pointing out that inaction is "whining". I feel like Feb 26 isnt 2 months after Jan 20. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24378 Posts
On February 27 2021 11:21 Stratos_speAr wrote: Yea, some of the progressives in here are getting incredibly whiny and are holding some absurd expectations that are reaching the level of far right Trumpers. I don't identify as a "progressive", but I do think Democrats enacting policy they ostensibly support and/or have already passed before (like hazard pay for essential workers while thousands die from covid every day) is reasonable. I also think Congress/Biden failed to deliver on "$2000 checks immediately" after winning the senate even letting Biden count $600 from Trump. fwiw I think people bowing to the gold statue of Captain Underpants and Ted Cruz's scream are cringe I'd get 2nd hand embarrassment watching on Twitch. Yet I'm more concerned they are literally the most popular people legally allowed to run for president in that party and the Democrat president continues to go out of his way to work with that same party instead of just pushing policy more popular than any of the politicians opposing it (or supporting it for that matter). @Kwark luckily you quoted the edit so I just have to explain that really they've had a year to work on covid relief, what they are passing is basically a slightly altered/reduced version of what Trump passed a couple months after the first confirmed case in the US and less robust than the HEROES act (something they've already passed before this session). | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On February 27 2021 12:14 JimmiC wrote: Already am, but more that there is more people who vote for the policy's that I don't want then at the people trying to put through what I want and can't. And I mean in the generals and the primarys. People in the US don't vote for policies though, they vote for politicians who theoretically should implement those policies, but American politicians are dog shit at doing that, theres a reason the US hasnt figured something out for universal healthcare. Also I'm surprised youre already frustrated with Biden, what are the odds that he winds up being effective past his first hundred days that may change your mind? For example, getting a 15 dollar minimum wage through and at least one stimulus check every two months or so would be enough for me at least stop souring on him, lol, I'd take stopping deportations and not bombing the middle east and recanting his awful views about increasing police funding to actively make me think, "wow, he was better than I thought! Maybe Democrats will be worth considering voting for." | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24378 Posts
I think retroactive hazard pay and/or retroactive UBI is the absolute floor for a humane and effective covid response in this country, but that's not even seriously on the table in the US (though even some more moderate house dems have voiced support for such). Instead we've watched trillions of dollars of wealth transferred upwards amid already existing irreconcilable wealth inequality and Democrats balking at $10/hr minimum to work around groups of people during a pandemic and $15/hr in 2025. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Taking over a month to pass something that people need to pay their monthly bills with is taking too long and if its going to be such a slog it needs to be something that can cover for the future so we aren't stuck waiting well over a month for relief when its needed. That being said I think the last I saw was that apparently 1400 dollars is enough to last people til like July, and by then Im pretty sure stimulus checks are going to be off the table completely. | ||
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JimmiC
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