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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
A lot of the (pointless, partisan, and bad faith) criticisms would most easily be avoided by just passing it, but instead he's defending it by saying there's not really anything to remove. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 23 2021 09:06 Nevuk wrote: We're getting pretty close to that point, I'd say. The fact that unemployment runs out at the end of February means that there's a hard deadline : they can't delay past that point without the bottom falling out of the economy. A lot of the (pointless, partisan, and bad faith) criticisms would most easily be avoided by just passing it, but instead he's defending it by saying there's not really anything to remove. Are they delaying? I thought they were just trying to fly through but it takes a long time due to budget reconciliation being a lengthy process? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23930 Posts
On February 23 2021 09:00 Zambrah wrote: I have a question for people, how long do we have to wait before we count Bidens promise of immediate stimulus checks broken? I'm wonder what people consider a fair timeline to pass stimulus checks through Congress in a reasonably hasty fashion It's broken. Landlords simply don't take a January promise for an immediate $2k check to mean "maybe $1400 in March" Even if Democrat loyalists do. On February 23 2021 09:27 Mohdoo wrote: Are they delaying? I thought they were just trying to fly through but it takes a long time due to budget reconciliation being a lengthy process? They were on recess for the last week. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
America is trash and this is the future our politicians have laid out for us. If I hadn't seen the last two elections Id laugh and say no chance he gets elected, but fuck, with a sufficiently Hillary Clinton nominee and if Biden decides to skimp on aid to people its totally feasible that Trump wins AGAIN. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/22/trump-stake-claim-presumptive-2024-gop-nominee-cpa/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 23 2021 13:47 Zambrah wrote: Oh, I almost forgot, Trump is planning to become the 2024 nominee and hes probably going to do it at CPAC. America is trash and this is the future our politicians have laid out for us. If I hadn't seen the last two elections Id laugh and say no chance he gets elected, but fuck, with a sufficiently Hillary Clinton nominee and if Biden decides to skimp on aid to people its totally feasible that Trump wins AGAIN. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/22/trump-stake-claim-presumptive-2024-gop-nominee-cpa/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork My view is that Trump is extremely momentum dependent and it might be difficult for him to beat an incumbent. The other thing is that he might end up in a ton of legal or medical trouble. I’m not worried yet but if he escapes unscathed and in good shape in 2024 he may win | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I'm not particularly worried yet, but god help me if Democrats aren't just exceptionally talented at taking what should be sure fire easy wins and making them scrape-through nailbiters. And letting Donald Trump incite an insurrection, face no consequences, and then proceed to actually gain power back would be... so, so, so very modern America. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2878 Posts
On February 22 2021 23:27 Slydie wrote: I think this desire to single out Masks is a distraction, and Trump bears a lot of the blame. Neither wearing nor not wearing masks should be a political symbol, just as any other measure should not be. I saw a mask model in December predicting Norway would have astronomic death tolls at this time without "universal masks", needless to say, it did not turn out like that, at all... You should be very careful making calculations like that. I think everyone in this thread agrees that making mask-wearing a political stance was a ridiculously stupid thing to do, but I disagree that it is a distraction. It is literally the easiest and lowest cost intervention with the lowest social impact that we have and it has proven to work in a whole load of countries. We should keep hammering this until not wearing a mask makes you socially unacceptable. I am, however, curious about that study for Norway. Do you have a source for that mask model? I'd like to check the details. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
On February 23 2021 13:54 Mohdoo wrote: My view is that Trump is extremely momentum dependent and it might be difficult for him to beat an incumbent. The other thing is that he might end up in a ton of legal or medical trouble. I’m not worried yet but if he escapes unscathed and in good shape in 2024 he may win We’re a fair while out here, I’d be pretty worried. I’d presume that in the medium term the effects of the pandemic are going to bite pretty hard economically for many people and it’s going to take some skill to navigate these waters. Given the delay on the 1400 dollar cheques, the most immediate but also not the largest of hurdles to clear, I’m not too optimistic. Crucially Trump’s innumerable failings don’t seem to hurt him much with his base, whereas if the Biden administration fails to deliver it really will hurt it, especially with the left leaning Dems whose support is more conditional. I mean they won’t flip to Trump but they won’t necessarily turn out for Biden if he doesn’t deliver. I mean there’s still plenty that would keep Trump out but I fear running against an incumbent who’s got the medium term effects of a pandemic to deal with is precisely the kind of scenario where Trump could generate the requisite momentum sniping from the sidelines. I would very much couch this in terms that almost the worst possible scenario for Trump is running as the incumbent with some kind of external crisis laying bare his most glaring failings and we’ve already had that and even then it wasn’t a total whitewash. If he’s still competitive under a near worst case scenario for him I basically wouldn’t rule anything out. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
On February 22 2021 23:27 Slydie wrote: I think this desire to single out Masks is a distraction, and Trump bears a lot of the blame. Neither wearing nor not wearing masks should be a political symbol, just as any other measure should not be. I saw a mask model in December predicting Norway would have astronomic death tolls at this time without "universal masks", needless to say, it did not turn out like that, at all... You should be very careful making calculations like that. They can’t be a neutral apolitical measure if one side of the aisle chooses to make a political and symbolic side opposing them. When that happens even neutral scientific observations take on a political flavour. Doesn’t really matter who does it or why, once it’s a matter of political and ideological stances you can’t push back against that without becoming entangled in it. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22332 Posts
On February 24 2021 00:12 JimmiC wrote: I'm inclined to blame Kushner and his stance of 'let the Democrats in NY die, why would we care' for that. It is super strange that it became a political issue and even stranger which side Trump picked. Whether it is women being forced to wear tops on hot days at beaches, hats off when come inside(much older), no shirt no shoes no service, all these sort of rules around what you have to wear and when were all conservative. It was not the hippie's that were making these rules! Then all the sudden with something you have to wear that actually matters from a health perspective and all the sudden it is about "freedom". No consistency. They actively downplayed the virus because their political opponents were being hit hardest at the time. | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
On February 24 2021 00:12 JimmiC wrote: It is super strange that it became a political issue and even stranger which side Trump picked. Whether it is women being forced to wear tops on hot days at beaches, hats off when come inside(much older), no shirt no shoes no service, all these sort of rules around what you have to wear and when were all conservative. It was not the hippie's that were making these rules! Then all the sudden with something you have to wear that actually matters from a health perspective and all the sudden it is about "freedom". No consistency. I don't think Trump is a typical conservative in that regard. And conservatives have a glorified image in their head how man are supposed to be and how women are supposed to be and masks aren't part of the picture. They care about what's "proper" in their mind, not what's actually useful or helps anyone. And the anti-maskers are more liberals than conservatives really. Like minimum state liberal. But they mostly vote GOP because they share the economic aspects. | ||
KwarK
United States43971 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
On February 24 2021 00:12 JimmiC wrote: It is super strange that it became a political issue and even stranger which side Trump picked. Whether it is women being forced to wear tops on hot days at beaches, hats off when come inside(much older), no shirt no shoes no service, all these sort of rules around what you have to wear and when were all conservative. It was not the hippie's that were making these rules! Then all the sudden with something you have to wear that actually matters from a health perspective and all the sudden it is about "freedom". No consistency. Most of it does kind of make sense in the framing that freedom or the lack thereof only really matters if it’s maintaining the orthodox hierarchy of both people and behaviours. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On February 23 2021 08:55 Mohdoo wrote: I feel like Newsom might actually get recalled It might go on the ballot, but he isnt going to actually lose that vote | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On February 24 2021 10:05 JimmiC wrote: That is a ballet I would be interested in seeing!🤣  I don't know what you are talking about..... | ||
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JimmiC
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