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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On January 10 2021 07:48 Mohdoo wrote: But haven’t tons of republican senators, Rubio included, already backed 2k? If we have 51 votes, a few republicans as well, isn’t it easy? Wasn't Manchin vetoing the 2k? I think the way it works is that the Dems will always have a revolving door of villains willing to take the fall for why any popular policy can't pass. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 10 2021 07:58 Grumbels wrote: Wasn't Manchin vetoing the 2k? I think the way it works is that the Dems will always have a revolving door of villains willing to take the fall for why any popular policy can't pass. 49 democrats support. Harris can vote for a split 50/50 vote. So that would mean it just takes a couple 1 republican. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On January 10 2021 08:19 JimmiC wrote: If the Dems only need one Rep I assume handing 2k to all the people would be pretty popular. I could see a rep wanting to be the guy that made the 2k happen. Manchin is just the person to take the fall. If he would support the checks they would find someone else willing to be scapegoat. We know that all these things are negotiated beforehand behind closed doors as part of some grand scheme to defuse the public will and functionally obey the donor class. Thinking that Dems would do something because it is "pretty popular" misunderstands who they are. Medicare for all is extremely popular and that got shut down hard. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On January 10 2021 07:56 Gorsameth wrote: As McConnell explained in a letter to the Senate Republicans. The Senate is in recess and can only take action by unanimous consent. Which isn't going to exist for impeachment. Therefor there will be no impeachment vote before the inauguration. That isn't impeachment. That is conviction. The Senate has no say at all in impeachment. It is an easy mistake to make though, most Americans do it. Trump was already successfully impeached once, but not convicted in the Senate. The impeachment is just leveling the charges. So, conviction trial/stimulus will be competing for time in the Senate. Impeachment will not. A poll just came out that a majority of Republicans think Biden is responsible for the insurrection attempt. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28895 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Btw, Toomey (r senator) just said he thinks Trump has committed impeachable offenses. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Either hes out of office before inauguration day or this country has decided that the leader of the Coup Klux Klan's actions are not where America draw's the line. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27402 Posts
On January 10 2021 08:51 Zambrah wrote: Unfortunately its mostly nothing else. The next Neo-Fascist would be dictator isn't going to be worried about what the history books think of him, and they might be the ones writing them in the end anyways. Either hes out of office before inauguration day or this country has decided that the leader of the Coup Klux Klan's actions are not where America draw's the line. Coup Klux Klan, that’s solid work right there | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On January 10 2021 08:57 WombaT wrote: Coup Klux Klan, that’s solid work right there Stolen from a headline from an Indian newspaper, I can't take any credit, but I agree, its a really, really good one. EDIT: House Republicans asking Biden to make Pelosi stop trying to impeach Trump. They are craven disgusting creatures, and I can't fathom the kind of functioning human brain that can see them and think, "yes, they care about a vision of America that isn't incredibly neo-fascist." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-09/house-republicans-ask-biden-get-pelosi-to-back-off-impeachment | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22610 Posts
On January 10 2021 08:43 Nevuk wrote: No one gives a rat's ass about the House part of impeachment, if it doesn't remove him from office its less then a slap on the wrist.That isn't impeachment. That is conviction. The Senate has no say at all in impeachment. It is an easy mistake to make though, most Americans do it. Trump was already successfully impeached once, but not convicted in the Senate. The impeachment is just leveling the charges. So, conviction trial/stimulus will be competing for time in the Senate. Impeachment will not. A poll just came out that a majority of Republicans think Biden is responsible for the insurrection attempt. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46467 Posts
On January 10 2021 09:09 Gorsameth wrote: No one gives a rat's ass about the House part of impeachment, if it doesn't remove him from office its less then a slap on the wrist. There's a difference between "confusing impeachment vs. conviction/removal", and "the idea that impeachment doesn't matter". Also, impeachment does matter, even without conviction/removal. We've discussed this. It forces Republicans to put their money where their mouths are, and pick a side. It also forces a potential schism within the Republican party, with some (probably most) siding with Trump and his coup (i.e., voting to not impeach or not convict), and potentially a few others actually standing up for what's right (i.e., putting country over party). 1. It's the right move for our country - orchestrating a violent insurrection needs to have consequences; 2. It's a proper strategic move for the Democrats - forcing Republicans to stand for or against what happened; Both of these are true, even if Trump doesn't get convicted/removed. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Also Im seeing more traction for expelling seditious Congressional GOP members at the moment, I'm very glad that hasn't been swept under the rug, because Trump is so very far from the only person who can or should suffer consequences for inciting an armed insurrection. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46467 Posts
On January 10 2021 08:57 WombaT wrote: Coup Klux Klan, that’s solid work right there That's brilliant. Alternatively, the Coup Cucks Klan. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
Conservatives on reddit are already forgetting about the coup and are focusing on twitter bans, as expected. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
If Republicans want unity and healing right now, then they can fucking act like it and stop egging on domestic terrorists. If you want forgiveness, atonement comes first. You don't break into someone's house, destroy their property and kill their dog, and get to ask forgiveness on your way into the police car. It's not on the Democrats to foster unity when they didn't attack it in the first place. | ||
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