EPTRight now it feels like Republicans are taking firm hold of the conversation and that needs to stop. We need the Democrats to be very VERY vocal right now. Republicans cannot be allowed to frame this how they want to frame this, Democrats have got to take control.
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Right now it feels like Republicans are taking firm hold of the conversation and that needs to stop. We need the Democrats to be very VERY vocal right now. Republicans cannot be allowed to frame this how they want to frame this, Democrats have got to take control. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On January 10 2021 08:47 Nevuk wrote: If nothing else, makes the history books. He will stand alone in them on that record. Btw, Toomey (r senator) just said he thinks Trump has committed impeachable offenses. Too many impeaches means they start to lose significance. If Trump gets impeached twice, with no actual punishment, what's the point in doing it at all? Who cares if anyone gets impeached at that point since it means nothing. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On January 10 2021 12:07 Zooper31 wrote: Too many impeaches means they start to lose significance. If Trump gets impeached twice, with no actual punishment, what's the point in doing it at all? Who cares if anyone gets impeached at that point since it means nothing. So don't try anything then? We should just let Trump walk away from this because you're worried it might cheapen the value of impeachment. We cannot take this lying down. We must make an effort to deliver justice and show the people of this country and the nations across the world that there are those of us who still fight for the rule of law in the United States and that we will not simply lie down and let our nation erode before our very eyes. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8926 Posts
its incredibly cynical i know but despite a lot of people knowing what "should" be done to bring a healthily functioning government back, i dont actually expect drastic measures be properly taken to change anything. it may not be in 5 or 10 years but i fully expect a civil war to take place in america in future. for me the divide in america right now is just too great and i dont think its realistically possible that a leader comes along that can bridge that gap peacefully. | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
Priming your base to accept bullshit conspiracy theories under the guise of red meat for decades until they don't eat anything but the reddest of meat and are positively rabid you when you try to feed them vegetables required for a healthy diet. Matches the Democrat house member who said a majority of Republican house members don't believe what they're doing but are essentially cowards who have lost control of the situation. Funny how we're all "we don't negotiate with terrorists" in 2000 and now all "we totally negotiate with terrorists" in 2020. | ||
micronesia
United States24799 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27403 Posts
On January 10 2021 13:35 StalkerTL wrote: Dog catching up to material. Peter Meijer is saying that a lot of Republicans don't believe what they're saying but are saying these things because they're terrified their base will do things to their family if they don't. Priming your base to accept bullshit conspiracy theories under the guise of red meat for decades until they don't eat anything but the reddest of meat and are positively rabid you when you try to feed them vegetables required for a healthy diet. Matches the Democrat house member who said a majority of Republican house members don't believe what they're doing but are essentially cowards who have lost control of the situation. Funny how we're all "we don't negotiate with terrorists" in 2000 and now all "we totally negotiate with terrorists" in 2020. https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1348113803158945793 I have a (limited) amount of sympathy here, I think this could well be true. While I question both the wisdom, both practical and moral in thinking you can ride the tiger, I do also think that many have grossly misjudged quite how tameable and hungry it is. As much as I’d personally love to see a good old leftist revolution, I’m a pretty certain that if the conditions arose that enabled it we’d see plenty of guillotines rolled out. People who absolutely should know better than me either don’t care, or don’t realise that stoking the flames for an extended period ultimately leads to a fire that you can’t put out no matter how hard you try. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 10 2021 11:30 NewSunshine wrote: BuT mY uNiTy If Republicans want unity and healing right now, then they can fucking act like it and stop egging on domestic terrorists. If you want forgiveness, atonement comes first. You don't break into someone's house, destroy their property and kill their dog, and get to ask forgiveness on your way into the police car. It's not on the Democrats to foster unity when they didn't attack it in the first place. They don't. That's blatantly obvious. The victim mentality is pathological at this point. Even if they do a thing, it's the Democrats fault. See a majority of Republicans blaming Biden for something TRUMP openly pushed for for MONTHS. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On January 10 2021 14:01 NewSunshine wrote: I guess the Trump Train is off the rails now, if Republicans are afraid for their lives. Maybe something they should've considered when they decided to egg them on for years. They're about as fanatical as you'd expect. They joyfully played the game of blaming everything that went wrong with the Trump admin on the 'deep state' '. Now when they themselves can't agree with Trumps increasingly crazy demands, they enjoy the result of being seen as deep state by the rabid thedonald and QAnon nutjobs. Resulting in a croud storming the capitol chanting 'Hang Mike Pence' because Pence didn't want to (or didn't have the means to) declare Trump victor in the election. It's always been a game of playing with fire and now with visible results. There's a unignorable amount of people who've listened to the likes of Lin Wood that literally believe Biden will deploy hardline communism and feel that they have to defend themselves now or live in a stalinist regime. These people could go very far, it's scary. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
In a live-streamed auction in Anchorage on Wednesday, federal officials accepted bids for leases to explore oil and gas across 1.6 million acres of land — part of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, or ANWR. But the sale, taking place just two weeks before the end of the Trump Administration, was not the blockbuster some supporters had hoped for. Only half of the 22 tracts made available received any bids at all, and none of the major energy companies took part. The vast majority of the purchases were by a state-owned economic development group. In total, the auction raised $14.4 million, half of which goes to the state of Alaska. That's far less than the $1.8 billion that supporters estimated the leases could generate when the Republican-controlled Congress opened the refuge to oil and gas exploration in 2017. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-previously-protected-alaskan-refuge-auctions-begin-for-drilling | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On January 10 2021 13:35 StalkerTL wrote: Dog catching up to material. Peter Meijer is saying that a lot of Republicans don't believe what they're saying but are saying these things because they're terrified their base will do things to their family if they don't. Priming your base to accept bullshit conspiracy theories under the guise of red meat for decades until they don't eat anything but the reddest of meat and are positively rabid you when you try to feed them vegetables required for a healthy diet. Matches the Democrat house member who said a majority of Republican house members don't believe what they're doing but are essentially cowards who have lost control of the situation. Funny how we're all "we don't negotiate with terrorists" in 2000 and now all "we totally negotiate with terrorists" in 2020. https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1348113803158945793 What a genie to try and put back into the bottle. Looks like they'd rather let America fester than give up their positions and go into witness protection or some other equivalent program. Frankly I only half believe they fear for their safety, I think they fear for their safety AND their power, they're willing to jeopardize the future of the country if they think they can have both. | ||
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Savant
United States379 Posts
On January 10 2021 13:33 evilfatsh1t wrote: am i the only one who thinks democracy in usa is dead and theres no way back? its incredibly cynical i know but despite a lot of people knowing what "should" be done to bring a healthily functioning government back, i dont actually expect drastic measures be properly taken to change anything. it may not be in 5 or 10 years but i fully expect a civil war to take place in america in future. for me the divide in america right now is just too great and i dont think its realistically possible that a leader comes along that can bridge that gap peacefully. Nothing’s certain obviously but trying to be a realist and taking a historical view, I fear the same. But becoming fatalistic can result in self-defeating behavior, so better to be unrealistically optimistic I suppose. From personal experience I’ve seen enough people in my family with what I call terminal pathologies, that is some ideas take root and become so tied to their identity they literally chose death rather than give them up. I fear we’ve lost too much of the population to it. If that’s the case, the only cure I can see is if some catastrophic event wipes them out/shocks them into deprogramming, or waiting for them to die off. Not advocating for it, just stating my analysis. Remember tribalism exists because natural selection would favor societies with a large proportion predisposed to being uncritical and loyal, and to fight to the death against rival groups. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On January 10 2021 13:33 evilfatsh1t wrote: am i the only one who thinks democracy in usa is dead and theres no way back? its incredibly cynical i know but despite a lot of people knowing what "should" be done to bring a healthily functioning government back, i dont actually expect drastic measures be properly taken to change anything. it may not be in 5 or 10 years but i fully expect a civil war to take place in america in future. for me the divide in america right now is just too great and i dont think its realistically possible that a leader comes along that can bridge that gap peacefully. It died when it became a two party system. So many people are not going to really be represented since they have to vote at who they disagree with the least instead of who they agree with the most. When you have to pick the lesser of two evil of course the "greater evil" is going to unconciously going to look even more evil. The "left" in US is basically center to center-right in EU. The two party system have created a toxic us against them environment. Look at how vile and hateful american politics debates are on most other, less moderated, forums. It took an act of terror to make the two parties' politicians just have something as simple as lunch(!) with each other for crying out loud. Until the internal/domestic hatred and anger has been healed I dont believe US will ever have a democracy and I am certain the two party system plays a very large part of this. It's way way way too large a country for a two party system. In a true modern democracy Trump most likely would never have had been elected and if he had been politicians would have abandoned the party and formed their own after 1 year of his mad antics. “The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.” - George Washington “There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.” - John Adams They were warned over 200 years ago by their own Founding Fathers. | ||
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Slydie
2007 Posts
Voters deserve predictability. If someone gots elected on supporting Trump no matter what he does, there are some very good reasons to stay firm in that position. This would include any other political position as well. If they don't deliver on their promises, they get punished by the voters, and it happens all over the political spectrum. This is just as much a problem with the voters as with the politicians representing them. The US democracy has always been dysfunctional, and it has gotten a lot worse, but is far from dead. The fact that GOP now lost all 3 branches of government under Trump is proof of that. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8192 Posts
We are lucky those people are that dumb. Imagine if they were that evil AND smart. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On January 10 2021 17:45 Biff The Understudy wrote: Having lost both senate seats and the presidential election in the State, Arizona Republicans censor McCain's widow so she would not criticize Trump for insulting McCain. We are lucky those people are that dumb. Imagine if they were that evil AND smart. https://twitter.com/KailiJoy/status/1348032158951206912 That is down right dystopian. Like, actively dystopian. I'm getting mixed signals from Republicans but the loudest strongest signals are the "FUCK YOU WE LOVE TRUMP AND WE'RE GOING TO DIE ON TRUMP HILL" signals. I legitimately wonder how many people are going to be actually disenfranchised away from the Republican party at this rate. Is it even something to consider possible? If it is, does it only affect the presidential races, or will they stop voting for Republican congresspeople as well? Will they vote Democrat, or will they not vote at all? They're so clearly doubling down on Trumpism, they're continuously praising him, and now actively censuring Republicans who aren't basically adhering to a die hard Trumpist party line. Is that enough to make Republicans say, "maybe I don't vote with these people for an election cycle or two." | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8192 Posts
Someone who would do that would earn everyone's instant respect, but it takes quite a remarkable person to have it in himself. If it's not just a temporary psychological strategy, then the GOP is probably over. It will be a party of populists conspiracy theorists, and i think they will lose everything for the years to come. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8926 Posts
is there something in the constitution or other piece of legislation that prohibits the formation of further parties? aside from lower prospects of achieving a majority if you split a party, why is this not an option (especially for the republicans). surely with the parties this divided there would be a fair few people who would be interested in forming another party that meets halfway and for many republicans it would perhaps give them a chance to be clean again. the more centrist 3rd party would probably have decent chances for success id imagine | ||
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