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On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen.
Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new.
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So, the journo video of the mob following a black officer like lemmings has taken on a much darker (somehow) context. The reason he kept baiting them to follow him is that the Senate doors were not secured : he saw this and led them in the opposite direction. If he had not done that, then senators would 100% have been held hostage : they were steps away from the unsecured chamber with all the senators
Via WaPo and the reporter who took the footage.
Also, police departments nationwide are having to check their ranks to make sure they weren't at the coup attempt (a lot were).
Schwarzenegger is also comparing it to Kristallnacht.
The best news, so far, is that 90% of Americans do not support the coup attempt. Sure, GOP are blaming Biden, but at least they think it was bad.
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Like I totally get that ultimately you can only blame Trump for all of this. I don't deny that at all.
The thing everyone doesn't here doesn't get is that even though this is definitely Trump's fault, the dems would absolutely have known that this is what would happen if they won the election, and they went and won it anyway. Its like they were trying to have this happen, just for the political theatre of it, so they can blame the republicans for the next four years.
But everyone here is blind and only sees things from one point of view.
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On January 11 2021 04:13 Nevuk wrote:So, the journo video of the mob following a black officer like lemmings has taken on a much darker (somehow) context. The reason he kept baiting them to follow him is that the Senate doors were not secured : he saw this and led them in the opposite direction. If he had not done that, then senators would 100% have been held hostage : they were steps away from the unsecured chamber with all the senators Via WaPo and the reporter who took the footage. https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1348117742235348992 Also, police departments nationwide are having to check their ranks to make sure they weren't at the coup attempt (a lot were). Schwarzenegger is also comparing it to Kristallnacht. The best news, so far, is that 90% of Americans do not support the coup attempt. Sure, GOP are blaming Biden, but at least they think it was bad.
If true, what a hero. Of course the real question was why were the armed officers not inbetween the mob and the senate doors in the first place.
That Schwarzenegger video with the sword thing was kind of cringy though, especially to someone who knows that actually what he is describing is weakening a sword, not making it stronger. there are different ways to forge a sword but tempering is just the heating part.
On January 11 2021 01:52 BisuDagger wrote:The majority of the benefit for me comes from the dems immediately saying the last election was stolen and then spending every minute while he was in office trying to impeach him instead of focus on the country. ???
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On January 11 2021 04:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
Like I totally get that ultimately you can only blame Trump for all of this. I don't deny that at all.
The thing everyone doesn't here doesn't get is that even though this is definitely Trump's fault, the dems would absolutely have known that this is what would happen if they won the election, and they went and won it anyway. Its like they were trying to have this happen, just for the political theatre of it, so they can blame the republicans for the next four years.
But everyone here is blind and only sees things from one point of view.
I'm sorry am I missing a /s here?
The Dems should have throw the election because they knew Trump would rile of a mob if he lost? And they only won to make the Republicans look bad for having whipped their followers into an insurrection?
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On January 11 2021 04:34 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 04:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
Like I totally get that ultimately you can only blame Trump for all of this. I don't deny that at all.
The thing everyone doesn't here doesn't get is that even though this is definitely Trump's fault, the dems would absolutely have known that this is what would happen if they won the election, and they went and won it anyway. Its like they were trying to have this happen, just for the political theatre of it, so they can blame the republicans for the next four years.
But everyone here is blind and only sees things from one point of view.
I'm sorry am I missing a /s here? The Dems should have throw the election because they knew Trump would rile of a mob if he lost? And they only won to make the Republicans look bad for having whipped their followers into an insurrection?
I think its safe to say he's being deeply sarcastic here.
There are not many people on this board who are capable of the mental gymnastics of, "its the Democrats fault for the coup, since they won the election," and Jock is not one of them, imo lol.
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On January 11 2021 04:34 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 04:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
Like I totally get that ultimately you can only blame Trump for all of this. I don't deny that at all.
The thing everyone doesn't here doesn't get is that even though this is definitely Trump's fault, the dems would absolutely have known that this is what would happen if they won the election, and they went and won it anyway. Its like they were trying to have this happen, just for the political theatre of it, so they can blame the republicans for the next four years.
But everyone here is blind and only sees things from one point of view.
I'm sorry am I missing a /s here? The Dems should have throw the election because they knew Trump would rile of a mob if he lost? And they only won to make the Republicans look bad for having whipped their followers into an insurrection?
That one seems pretty obvious to me, but it can be difficult to tell in these interesting times.
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You'll be suprised. Right when the attempted coup was occuring someone here was saying that this is partially the dems fault. And then wrote later that the Republicans are being victimised.
In this case, it's probably just mangled up words rather than sarcasm what with all the "doesn't"s in the post. Too many negatives make negative negative something something. I'm guessing he is trying to say that he doesn't understand the view he just wrote.
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On January 11 2021 04:32 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 04:13 Nevuk wrote:So, the journo video of the mob following a black officer like lemmings has taken on a much darker (somehow) context. The reason he kept baiting them to follow him is that the Senate doors were not secured : he saw this and led them in the opposite direction. If he had not done that, then senators would 100% have been held hostage : they were steps away from the unsecured chamber with all the senators Via WaPo and the reporter who took the footage. https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1348117742235348992 Also, police departments nationwide are having to check their ranks to make sure they weren't at the coup attempt (a lot were). Schwarzenegger is also comparing it to Kristallnacht. The best news, so far, is that 90% of Americans do not support the coup attempt. Sure, GOP are blaming Biden, but at least they think it was bad. If true, what a hero. Of course the real question was why were the armed officers not inbetween the mob and the senate doors in the first place.
That Schwarzenegger video with the sword thing was kind of cringy though, especially to someone who knows that actually what he is describing is weakening a sword, not making it stronger. there are different ways to forge a sword but tempering is just the heating part. Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 01:52 BisuDagger wrote:The majority of the benefit for me comes from the dems immediately saying the last election was stolen and then spending every minute while he was in office trying to impeach him instead of focus on the country. ???
My impression is that the security officers who would be doing this normally were securing the doors and/or making sure all senators were being told to evacuate. IE, the issue was with lack of personnel/poor planning (as seems to have been rampant among the cops on the capitol).
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Just saw video of the moment they dragged the policeman out into the crowd and beat him to death. All I can think besides the horror of it is didn't we just spend a whole year listening to "blue lives matter" and how dangerous slogans criticizing the police are? I'm so fucking fed up with the two-facedness of it all.
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Surely if those policemen that they were being led to by the black officer were making sure all the senators were being told to evacuate they would be right there at the senate doors, not with the mob between them and the senate doors? Perhaps I am missing something in the description or in the architecture of the building, but that doesn't make sense to me.
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On January 11 2021 04:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Surely if those policemen that they were being led to by the black officer were making sure all the senators were being told to evacuate they would be right there at the senate doors, not with the mob between them and the senate doors? Perhaps I am missing something in the description or in the architecture of the building, but that doesn't make sense to me.
Two different groups of officers. The journalist notes that the officer looked and saw that the door wasn't fully secure, but that the article says that it was secured very shortly (within 5 minutes) after he led the group away based on timed accounts of when certain things happen.
That implies to me that there were a few officers locking up and barricading the room the senators were in, but that if it wasn't fully secured they didn't have the numbers to hold off the insurrectionists, while he (Eugene Goodman, the officer in question) directly led the terrorists to a staging area where reinforcements were gathering. Note, when we say reinforcements, we mean 4-5 other officers vs what looks to be dozens of insurrectionists. They were still massively outnumbered.
This tweet gives a pretty good idea of how he led them around. He looks, notices the senate doors aren't barred (between the chairs), then pauses his run long enough for the mob to get site of him - THEN he takes off in a totally different direction.
(here's the OG video of it if you haven't seen it)
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Very clutch, split-second decision making by that officer. What he did in that moment is instantly more heroic than any notion of storming in someplace with a gun and shooting people down. Smart, defensive action with the intent of protecting lives. Well fucking done.
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Yeah. That's stuff like that that make me a bit annoyed when some good people here say that cops are all criminals and the scum of the earth and shit like that. There are BIG problems with the police in the US that cannot be understated. Saying all policemen are criminals and stuff like that is still beyond offensive, and beyond stupid. They are people. Some of them are terrible, some of them are great, some do horrible things, some absolutely heroic stuff. And the structural problems - and the toxic culture within many PDs - absolutely can be discussed and addressed without being stupid and spitting on people who sometimes really don't deserve it at all.
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on second thought nvm this.
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Delete plz, answer to deleted post.
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On January 11 2021 06:46 pmh wrote:
on second thought nvm this.
I’m glad you’re having doubts about what you initially wrote. As a society, I think we have to stop seeing the truth as a divisive topic. We can’t blame people for being right and attribute part of the blame to them. If someone does something terrible, I don’t think we should blame someone else for saying the first person did something terrible. I don’t even attribute 1% of the blame to someone for being right.
Now, I can blame someone for being an asshole while being right and blame them for that. That’s a different thing.
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