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She twitted the location of Pelosi during the coup.
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On January 11 2021 22:11 Erasme wrote:
She twitted the location of Pelosi during the coup.
She also tweeted '1776' earlier just before it started.
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I didn't realize AWS was also withdrawing services from Parler, that's really something. I guess they'll be down for quite awhile. We might see a resurgence of people building their own in-house datacenters.
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Holy shit, that is insane. Both the fact that these people were so stupid so much illegal stuff on the internet and the fact that it seems like it's all in the open now. Wow.
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The US must Nuremberg trial these people, judgment and punishment must be both procedurally sound and as public as possible. It's the only way to get in front of this.
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On January 11 2021 23:00 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 22:29 mikedebo wrote:
I didn't realize AWS was also withdrawing services from Parler, that's really something. I guess they'll be down for quite awhile. We might see a resurgence of people building their own in-house datacenters. Okta appearently also told Parler to fuck off https://twitter.com/okta/status/1348191370528256002?s=20
I was just thinking that this has got to be a death spiral for them. Even if you get up and running again on self-hosted infrastructure, you are now a sweet target for script kiddies with botnets. Without some 3rd party like CloudFlare helping you with something as simple as DDOS protection, you have to spend so much money just to stay live.
Edit: I'm waiting for the timeline where Russian IT companies open their doors to persecuted Americans who want their internet free speech.
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On January 11 2021 23:03 mikedebo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2021 23:00 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 22:29 mikedebo wrote:
I didn't realize AWS was also withdrawing services from Parler, that's really something. I guess they'll be down for quite awhile. We might see a resurgence of people building their own in-house datacenters. Okta appearently also told Parler to fuck off https://twitter.com/okta/status/1348191370528256002?s=20 I was just thinking that this has got to be a death spiral for them. Even if you get up and running again on self-hosted infrastructure, you are now a sweet target for script kiddies with botnets. Without some 3rd party like CloudFlare helping you with something as simple as DDOS protection, you have to spend so much money just to stay live. Edit: I'm waiting for the timeline where Russian IT companies open their doors to persecuted Americans who want their internet free speech.
That my first thought aswell. All the europeans who felt their freedom of speech being in peril (wanting to be openly racist, anti-democratic and being able to threaten others on the internet) went to the "Russian Facebook" Vkontakte and were received with open arms.
Personally i'm still mostly angry about that poor police officer, who was basically beaten to death with an American flag. His political affiliation doesn't matter at all. It's hard to put into words.
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On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new.
Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed.
On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen.
Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol.
Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone..
It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction.
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On January 11 2021 23:25 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new. Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed. Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol. Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone.. It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction.
You think that people would be outraged and call racism if a black woman was shot inside the Capitol as part as a coup trying to overthrow the government?
Are you high?
I'll be charitable and assume you can differentiate between a riot and a fucking coup.
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On January 11 2021 23:13 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 23:03 mikedebo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2021 23:00 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 22:29 mikedebo wrote:
I didn't realize AWS was also withdrawing services from Parler, that's really something. I guess they'll be down for quite awhile. We might see a resurgence of people building their own in-house datacenters. Okta appearently also told Parler to fuck off https://twitter.com/okta/status/1348191370528256002?s=20 I was just thinking that this has got to be a death spiral for them. Even if you get up and running again on self-hosted infrastructure, you are now a sweet target for script kiddies with botnets. Without some 3rd party like CloudFlare helping you with something as simple as DDOS protection, you have to spend so much money just to stay live. Edit: I'm waiting for the timeline where Russian IT companies open their doors to persecuted Americans who want their internet free speech. That my first thought aswell. All the europeans who felt their freedom of speech being in peril (wanting to be openly racist, anti-democratic and being able to threaten others on the internet) went to the "Russian Facebook" Vkontakte and were received with open arms. Personally i'm still mostly angry about that poor police officer, who was basically beaten to death with an American flag. His political affiliation doesn't matter at all. It's hard to put into words.
Even if you just wanted to rebuild or rehost Parler, I imagine there are Russian web infrastructure companies that would be very strong replacements for the more accessible North American variants, especially in InfoSec.
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On January 11 2021 23:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 23:25 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new. Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed. On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol. Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone.. It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction. You think that people would be outraged and call racism if a black woman was shot inside the Capitol as part as a coup trying to overthrow the government? Are you high? I'll be charitable and assume you can differentiate between a riot and a fucking coup.
Yes, that hypothetical scenario makes no sense. It isn't all about color...
Mind you, there are plenty of awful deeds done by people of color nobody is protesting about were treated with violence, like this very recent Chicago shooter:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/dead-shooting-spree-chicago-area/story?id=75161881
Edit: just for clarity, I am not comparing this to the Captiol storming, just saying I doubt this guy will get any sympathy anywhere.
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On January 11 2021 23:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 23:25 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new. Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed. On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol. Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone.. It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction. You think that people would be outraged and call racism if a black woman was shot inside the Capitol as part as a coup trying to overthrow the government? Are you high? I'll be charitable and assume you can differentiate between a riot and a fucking coup.
No, rather like I said, people would be faster to call it police brutality, due to being more conditioned to recognize it with a black and especially woman victim, and being far more easily motivated to protest in the aftermath of such an incident, with the news spreading faster on both traditional and social media and being editorialized as police brutality more readily.
Have you watched the video sir?
+ Show Spoiler +1) Breaking windows of locked, guarded doors
2) "He (police) has a gun" -> Everybody backs up, except:
3) One unarmed woman who didn't get the memo starts climbing through a window, is shot dead with one bullet and falls back out
People would be asking where the warning was, and why the police didn't know how to use a nonlethal alternative like a stungun, and asking for them to be fired and charged instantly.
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it’s an impossible comparison. if they were people of color the police would have been much more prepared, numerous, and using tear gas and rubber bullets before they even broke the perimeter.
in no circumstance would armed black people have made it into the building.
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On January 11 2021 23:47 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 23:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 11 2021 23:25 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new. Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed. On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol. Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone.. It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction. You think that people would be outraged and call racism if a black woman was shot inside the Capitol as part as a coup trying to overthrow the government? Are you high? I'll be charitable and assume you can differentiate between a riot and a fucking coup. No, rather like I said, people would be faster to call it police brutality, due to being more conditioned to recognize it with a black and especially woman victim, and being far more easily motivated to protest in the aftermath of such an incident, with the news spreading faster on both traditional and social media and being editorialized as police brutality more readily. Have you watched the video sir? + Show Spoiler +1) Breaking windows of locked, guarded doors
2) "He (police) has a gun" -> Everybody backs up, except:
3) One unarmed woman who didn't get the memo starts climbing through a window, is shot dead with one bullet and falls back out
People would be asking where the warning was, and why the police didn't know how to use a nonlethal alternative like a stungun, and asking for them to be fired and charged instantly.
yeah i dont think you got the original point. the woman was taking part in an active coup attempt. no one could argue its police brutality because the police were completely justified in firing
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On January 11 2021 04:04 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 03:55 Gorsameth wrote:On January 11 2021 03:49 Danglars wrote:On January 11 2021 01:52 BisuDagger wrote:On January 10 2021 18:05 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It might be a short lived phenomenon. People haaaaaaaaate being wrong, and even more so, recognizing it. Have you read anyone here say : "Well I fucked up, this guy was just terrible and you were right, I made a mistake to vote for him"?
Someone who would do that would earn everyone's instant respect, but it takes quite a remarkable person to have it in himself.
If it's not just a temporary psychological strategy, then the GOP is probably over. It will be a party of populists conspiracy theorists, and i think they will lose everything for the years to come. Flashftw admitted voting for Trump was a wrong decision in the exact way you describe here on TL. My wife voted for trump 2016 election while I voted libertarian. We both are sorry for giving Trump the benefit of the doubt for as long as we did. The majority of the benefit for me comes from the dems immediately saying the last election was stolen and then spending every minute while he was in office trying to impeach him instead of focus on the country. But in the end we just see both Trump, conservatives, and the dems not caring one bit for this country in DC and voted as third party as possible. We have it the worst though because no party represents us now. On a local level things are still looking good though. I like the nuance. The country would be a much better place if reflection on 2016-2020 integrated the “ the dems immediately saying the last election was stolen and then spending every minute while he was in office trying to impeach him instead of focus on the country” into societal consciousness. It’s at risk of being forgotten in the conclusion to his presidency. Hopefully, the future brings candidates and understanding to a couple that voted Republican/Libertarian 2016. If by 'the dems' you mean all intelligence agencies, the Republican majority lead Senate intelligence oversight committee and multiple allied countries... Dont engage with Danglars' framing, they didnt even say the election was stolen, hes trying to equivocate Democrats and Republicans to make this situation look less like what it is. Democrats complained that there was election interference from the Russians, but that is very different from saying the election was stolen. This, 'the election was stolen' rhetoric engages with the idea that there are innumerable accounts of voter fraud that the federal government has either covered up or actively encouraged or even engaged with themselves. The Democrats at large did not engage in behavior even mildly similar to what Trump and a large portion of the Republican House and a smaller portion of the Republican Senate are currently engaging in.
To be fair to Danglars, someone on twitter saying the election was stolen is the same thing as the president saying the election was stolen and it should be treated with the same seriousness.
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On January 11 2021 23:47 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 23:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 11 2021 23:25 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new. Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed. On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol. Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone.. It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction. You think that people would be outraged and call racism if a black woman was shot inside the Capitol as part as a coup trying to overthrow the government? Are you high? I'll be charitable and assume you can differentiate between a riot and a fucking coup. No, rather like I said, people would be faster to call it police brutality, due to being more conditioned to recognize it with a black and especially woman victim, and being far more easily motivated to protest in the aftermath of such an incident, with the news spreading faster on both traditional and social media and being editorialized as police brutality more readily. Have you watched the video sir? + Show Spoiler +1) Breaking windows of locked, guarded doors
2) "He (police) has a gun" -> Everybody backs up, except:
3) One unarmed woman who didn't get the memo starts climbing through a window, is shot dead with one bullet and falls back out
People would be asking where the warning was, and why the police didn't know how to use a nonlethal alternative like a stungun, and asking for them to be fired and charged instantly.
Come on, they were doing an actual coup attempt, and you complain about the ONE person who got killed? The police did an amazing job at keeping the casualties low in this case, and narrowly kept the leaders of the country unharmed as well.
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On January 12 2021 00:04 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 23:47 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 23:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 11 2021 23:25 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new. Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed. On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol. Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone.. It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction. You think that people would be outraged and call racism if a black woman was shot inside the Capitol as part as a coup trying to overthrow the government? Are you high? I'll be charitable and assume you can differentiate between a riot and a fucking coup. No, rather like I said, people would be faster to call it police brutality, due to being more conditioned to recognize it with a black and especially woman victim, and being far more easily motivated to protest in the aftermath of such an incident, with the news spreading faster on both traditional and social media and being editorialized as police brutality more readily. Have you watched the video sir? + Show Spoiler +1) Breaking windows of locked, guarded doors
2) "He (police) has a gun" -> Everybody backs up, except:
3) One unarmed woman who didn't get the memo starts climbing through a window, is shot dead with one bullet and falls back out
People would be asking where the warning was, and why the police didn't know how to use a nonlethal alternative like a stungun, and asking for them to be fired and charged instantly. Come on, they were doing an actual coup attempt, and you complain about the ONE person who got killed? The police did an amazing job at keeping the casualties low in this case, and narrowly kept the leaders of the country unharmed as well.
I don't think the police did an amazing job if it was only by chance that they didn't get a mob of armed lunatics in the same room as all the senators. Crowd control is one thing that the police are heavily armed and trained for, ostensibly with non-lethal weaponry such as tear gas and rubber bullets and so on. Instead they just let them in and were armed with live ammunition. Why should the safety of a bunch of senators depend on, like, Bruce Willis being there by chance?
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On January 12 2021 00:04 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 23:47 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 23:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 11 2021 23:25 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new. Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed. On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol. Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone.. It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction. You think that people would be outraged and call racism if a black woman was shot inside the Capitol as part as a coup trying to overthrow the government? Are you high? I'll be charitable and assume you can differentiate between a riot and a fucking coup. No, rather like I said, people would be faster to call it police brutality, due to being more conditioned to recognize it with a black and especially woman victim, and being far more easily motivated to protest in the aftermath of such an incident, with the news spreading faster on both traditional and social media and being editorialized as police brutality more readily. Have you watched the video sir? + Show Spoiler +1) Breaking windows of locked, guarded doors
2) "He (police) has a gun" -> Everybody backs up, except:
3) One unarmed woman who didn't get the memo starts climbing through a window, is shot dead with one bullet and falls back out
People would be asking where the warning was, and why the police didn't know how to use a nonlethal alternative like a stungun, and asking for them to be fired and charged instantly. Come on, they were doing an actual coup attempt, and you complain about the ONE person who got killed? The police did an amazing job at keeping the casualties low in this case, and narrowly kept the leaders of the country unharmed as well.
The subject was something else, but since you asked, yes, killing people seems not good unless it had been the guy who was bludgeoning the police officer or some other case of attempted murder. Other than that, they did, yes. "The police," an abstract entity, didn't shoot her, an individual policeman did.
On January 12 2021 00:01 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 23:47 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 23:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 11 2021 23:25 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new. Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed. On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol. Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone.. It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction. You think that people would be outraged and call racism if a black woman was shot inside the Capitol as part as a coup trying to overthrow the government? Are you high? I'll be charitable and assume you can differentiate between a riot and a fucking coup. No, rather like I said, people would be faster to call it police brutality, due to being more conditioned to recognize it with a black and especially woman victim, and being far more easily motivated to protest in the aftermath of such an incident, with the news spreading faster on both traditional and social media and being editorialized as police brutality more readily. Have you watched the video sir? + Show Spoiler +1) Breaking windows of locked, guarded doors
2) "He (police) has a gun" -> Everybody backs up, except:
3) One unarmed woman who didn't get the memo starts climbing through a window, is shot dead with one bullet and falls back out
People would be asking where the warning was, and why the police didn't know how to use a nonlethal alternative like a stungun, and asking for them to be fired and charged instantly. yeah i dont think you got the original point. the woman was taking part in an active coup attempt. no one could argue its police brutality because the police were completely justified in firing
Interesting point, when did the police know it was an active coup attempt, or when did the police decide "this is a coup, weapons free," or is this one of those feel-it-out and hope the situation justifies you after it kind of things? I would like you to watch the video for argument's sake just so we can have a determination whether the police would have been justified in massacring the eight people standing around her as well because "coup," or who you think a higher priority target might have been, for example, or why this policeman, fearing for his life, had the sense to conserve ammunition and not fire a second time.
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the consensus seems to be that it was a coup or at least an attempt at a coup but I am not so sure. that would involve a good deal of planning before to be honest. I would rather stay, at least for now, with the terror angle since they wanted to intimidate and use fear and violence in order to reach a political goal.
it's a moot distinction currently as all facts are not known yet but I still think it's more apt.
On January 12 2021 00:20 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2021 00:04 Slydie wrote:On January 11 2021 23:47 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 23:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 11 2021 23:25 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new. Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed. On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol. Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone.. It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction. You think that people would be outraged and call racism if a black woman was shot inside the Capitol as part as a coup trying to overthrow the government? Are you high? I'll be charitable and assume you can differentiate between a riot and a fucking coup. No, rather like I said, people would be faster to call it police brutality, due to being more conditioned to recognize it with a black and especially woman victim, and being far more easily motivated to protest in the aftermath of such an incident, with the news spreading faster on both traditional and social media and being editorialized as police brutality more readily. Have you watched the video sir? + Show Spoiler +1) Breaking windows of locked, guarded doors
2) "He (police) has a gun" -> Everybody backs up, except:
3) One unarmed woman who didn't get the memo starts climbing through a window, is shot dead with one bullet and falls back out
People would be asking where the warning was, and why the police didn't know how to use a nonlethal alternative like a stungun, and asking for them to be fired and charged instantly. Come on, they were doing an actual coup attempt, and you complain about the ONE person who got killed? The police did an amazing job at keeping the casualties low in this case, and narrowly kept the leaders of the country unharmed as well. The subject was something else, but since you asked, yes, killing people seems not good unless it had been the guy who was bludgeoning the police officer or some other case of attempted murder. Other than that, they did, yes. "The police," an abstract entity, didn't shoot her, an individual policeman did. Show nested quote +On January 12 2021 00:01 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 11 2021 23:47 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 23:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 11 2021 23:25 oBlade wrote:On January 11 2021 04:10 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Like Zambrah says above with reference to Dangles, don’t even bother engaging with people like this. Those who can’t talk about the literal storming of the Capitol without mentioning antifa are not interested in discussion, only in showing off their equivocation skills. It’s not a coincidence that news outlets in the Weimar Republic constantly matched reporting on Nazi shit with mentions of communism, this pattern isn’t new. Hello Mr. Godwin. The issue was explicitly raised as to what would have happened if the situation were reversed. On January 11 2021 04:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 11 2021 03:55 oBlade wrote:On January 10 2021 21:19 Silvanel wrote:BBC is reporting on charges being brought against some of insurgents: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606044 And judging from charges those people are getting it seems like this might become new norm. Apparently You can just force Yourself into US Capitol trying to take hostegs and get: "violent entry and disorderly conduct". I know this has been repeated time after time but if they were brown & muslim they would end spending their lfies in prison (if by some miracle they would surrive entry attempt). Different crimes have different punishments - the guy with molotov cocktails will obviously get a felony, and the people who bludgeoned a police officer to death aren't likely to get off easy when found. I can't speak for skin color but in general antifa riot and loot with impunity in Portland and NYC. In Seattle the officials welcome takeovers of government centers: https://komonews.com/news/local/council-member-sawant-let-protesters-into-city-hall-to-show-it-belongs-to-the-peopleThe difference with January 6th is not that it's particularly violent compared to other protests and riots from 2020 and earlier, but that it took place where those in power work, meaning for the first time it's real for them. Also the FBI aren't ones to sit on their hands at the direction of local officials, unlike municipal law enforcement who stand by or catch and release antifa hooligans. Did you read the article? That has to be the most...relaxed takeover I've ever seen. Yes, if you just let people in there's naturally less violence. It's not a perfectly analogous situation. Another one was when BLM burned down a police station in Minneapolis. Still another, protesters attacked a federal courthouse in Portland. I think those transpired without any deaths? Even though one was a federal building, the same as the Capitol. Have you seen the shooting video of the woman who died at the Capitol? When I look at it, I really think if her skin had been another color, the incident would have sparked its own protests or riots about police brutality. So it's an interesting question. The difference again seems to be that when the violence is local, progressive officials have used their own discretion to try to appease those groups through leniency. Whereas something about the Capitol is more high-risk and one might have "expectation" that the police would take fewer chances and be more likely to shoot someone.. It's hard to compare anecdotes to anecdotes but on balance it doesn't seem like the difference in treatment swings that seriously in either direction. You think that people would be outraged and call racism if a black woman was shot inside the Capitol as part as a coup trying to overthrow the government? Are you high? I'll be charitable and assume you can differentiate between a riot and a fucking coup. No, rather like I said, people would be faster to call it police brutality, due to being more conditioned to recognize it with a black and especially woman victim, and being far more easily motivated to protest in the aftermath of such an incident, with the news spreading faster on both traditional and social media and being editorialized as police brutality more readily. Have you watched the video sir? + Show Spoiler +1) Breaking windows of locked, guarded doors
2) "He (police) has a gun" -> Everybody backs up, except:
3) One unarmed woman who didn't get the memo starts climbing through a window, is shot dead with one bullet and falls back out
People would be asking where the warning was, and why the police didn't know how to use a nonlethal alternative like a stungun, and asking for them to be fired and charged instantly. yeah i dont think you got the original point. the woman was taking part in an active coup attempt. no one could argue its police brutality because the police were completely justified in firing Interesting point, when did the police know it was an active coup attempt, or when did the police decide "this is a coup, weapons free," or is this one of those feel-it-out and hope the situation justifies you after it kind of things? I would like you to watch the video for argument's sake just so we can have a determination whether the police would have been justified in massacring the eight people standing around her as well because "coup," or who you think a higher priority target might have been, for example, or why this policeman, fearing for his life, had the sense to conserve ammunition and not fire a second time.
police were flabbergasted and in shock as they were overwhelmed. their commanding officers planning for the event completely failed them. they were acting from a position of weakness rather than strenght (when compared to BLM protests for instance) and it really seems to be remarkable not more people were shot - maybe it also has to do with the fact that it was a mob of overwhelming force that you maybe get off a couple of shots but then you are done for.
add to that fact that they are people you generally largely align with, a good amount of off duty officers from around the country were at the "event" for example.
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