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On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. Source? For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism? On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question. Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing. Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion.
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On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
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I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. Source? For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism? On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
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I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question. Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing. Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion.
Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics
Who could have possibly predicted such a thing?
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On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. Source? For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism? On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question. Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing. Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big.
I mean I asked you to name some positions right of yours and dodged hard and fast. It should be easy for someone on the center right to do.
I’m saying you calling people communist or saying they are communist without saying the word communist is no different. It is clear this is what you believe and it is a ridiculous take. Everyone left of you is not a communist, basically everyone that is not “an American conservative “ is left of you.
The weird part is how you don’t own it and try to claim to be some sort of centerist with no positions right of yours. If you were at all centerist there would be a whole bunch right of yours.
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On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
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I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. Source? For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism? On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
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I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question. Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing. Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion.
Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand.
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On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:
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Source?
For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism? On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:
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Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question.
Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing. Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny.
Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years."
On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:
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Source?
For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism? On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:
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Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question.
Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing. Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans
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On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:
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For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism?
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Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
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I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:
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For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism?
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Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
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I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans
I never claim to not be of that persuasion though, people are free to take it or leave it
Others seem to live under the misapprehension that occasionally saying you don’t support x, covers you from criticism when you constantly defend x, or equivocate in a manner that is indistinguishable from defence
Entirely their prerogative, but it’s inevitable other people will form certain impressions
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On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:
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For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism?
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Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
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I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:
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For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism?
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Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
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I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans
Nope, that’s what you are pretending to be. You show this every time you twist people’s words to fit your narrative. I don’t even know why you bother at this point, you’re act is not fooling anyone.
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On July 23 2026 04:43 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:
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The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have.
Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:
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The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have.
Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[quote]
What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans I never claim to not be of that persuasion though, people are free to take it or leave it Others seem to live under the misapprehension that occasionally saying you don’t support x, covers you from criticism when you constantly defend x, or equivocate in a manner that is indistinguishable from defence Entirely their prerogative, but it’s inevitable other people will form certain impressions I can speak from firsthand experience that being moderately against or conditionally against (with reservations) instead of forcefully and vitriolically against gets chalked up to MAGA and begets a hundred thread tropes and accusations. Sorry, if you overlabel something, and particularly use ephemera to trash somebody's secret tribe, you're going to get criticism directed at your criticism. If the thread has a straight majority of people doing this, then you have to show that your mind can handle non-MAGA critiques of Democrats, and (in Introvert's case) pro-Republican stances that aren't instantly MAGA.
Because it's fucking easy as hell to junk contrary opinions as MAGA, or opinions you can't understand as showing the logic of MAGA, and I'm pretty sure you're deep in that. Not positive.
On July 23 2026 04:49 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:
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The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have.
Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:
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The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have.
Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans Nope, that’s what you are pretending to be. You show this every time you twist people’s words to fit your narrative. I don’t even know why you bother at this point, you’re act is not fooling anyone. Just make that your signature:
and if you disagree, you're probably a fake centrist. Then you've cut your ideological burden in more than half. Only people to your left can be heard and responded to.
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On July 23 2026 05:04 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:43 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:[quote] I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? [quote] Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:[quote] I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? [quote] Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans I never claim to not be of that persuasion though, people are free to take it or leave it Others seem to live under the misapprehension that occasionally saying you don’t support x, covers you from criticism when you constantly defend x, or equivocate in a manner that is indistinguishable from defence Entirely their prerogative, but it’s inevitable other people will form certain impressions I can speak from firsthand experience that being moderately against or conditionally against (with reservations) instead of forcefully and vitriolically against gets chalked up to MAGA and begets a hundred thread tropes and accusations. Sorry, if you overlabel something, and particularly use ephemera to trash somebody's secret tribe, you're going to get criticism directed at your criticism. If the thread has a straight majority of people doing this, then you have to show that your mind can handle non-MAGA critiques of Democrats, and (in Introvert's case) pro-Republican stances that aren't instantly MAGA. Because it's fucking easy as hell to junk contrary opinions as MAGA, or opinions you can't understand as showing the logic of MAGA, and I'm pretty sure you're deep in that. Not positive. Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:49 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:[quote] I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? [quote] Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:[quote] I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? [quote] Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans Nope, that’s what you are pretending to be. You show this every time you twist people’s words to fit your narrative. I don’t even know why you bother at this point, you’re act is not fooling anyone. Just make that your signature: and if you disagree, you're probably a fake centrist. Then you've cut your ideological burden in more than half. Only people to your left can be heard and responded to.
This is my point. You didn’t disagree with me. You made shit up to disagree with. It’s your “style”. I live in a community that is 90% conservative, I do completely fine with talking to conservatives. They just are not pretending to be something else, and they do not make up shit I said, they respond to my actual words.
Your act has a shelf life and it’s past.
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On July 23 2026 05:20 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 05:04 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:43 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
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Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.
Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.
I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
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Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.
Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.
I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans I never claim to not be of that persuasion though, people are free to take it or leave it Others seem to live under the misapprehension that occasionally saying you don’t support x, covers you from criticism when you constantly defend x, or equivocate in a manner that is indistinguishable from defence Entirely their prerogative, but it’s inevitable other people will form certain impressions I can speak from firsthand experience that being moderately against or conditionally against (with reservations) instead of forcefully and vitriolically against gets chalked up to MAGA and begets a hundred thread tropes and accusations. Sorry, if you overlabel something, and particularly use ephemera to trash somebody's secret tribe, you're going to get criticism directed at your criticism. If the thread has a straight majority of people doing this, then you have to show that your mind can handle non-MAGA critiques of Democrats, and (in Introvert's case) pro-Republican stances that aren't instantly MAGA. Because it's fucking easy as hell to junk contrary opinions as MAGA, or opinions you can't understand as showing the logic of MAGA, and I'm pretty sure you're deep in that. Not positive. On July 23 2026 04:49 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
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Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.
Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.
I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
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Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.
Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.
I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans Nope, that’s what you are pretending to be. You show this every time you twist people’s words to fit your narrative. I don’t even know why you bother at this point, you’re act is not fooling anyone. Just make that your signature: and if you disagree, you're probably a fake centrist. Then you've cut your ideological burden in more than half. Only people to your left can be heard and responded to. This is my point. You didn’t disagree with me. You made shit up to disagree with. It’s your “style”. I live in a community that is 90% conservative, I do completely fine with talking to conservatives. They just are not pretending to be something else, and they do not make up shit I said, they respond to my actual words. Your act has a shelf life and it’s past. I think it's pretty well documented in this thread. Introvert talked about left-wingers including union leaders with sympathies/praise for the Cuban system, you change what Introvert said to communists (typical bad-faith means of attacking someone), of course it's pointed out, but changing what somebody said to attack it is now "dancing around the word" (typicalx2) while calling him "far right."
So my suggestion to you is to edit your posts to remove the bad faith and give a clearer understanding of what you said.
If you stand by what you said, then you're in the impossible situations of simultaneously calling left-winger criticism as basic arguing about words (you changed the words) but right-winger criticism is not arguing about words. So, pick what you really think is true and resolve internal contradictions. If you can't, that says something about you too!
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The most moderate thing an anti-Trump moderate Democrat can do is repeatedly, passionately defend Donald Trump's rape of E. Jean Carroll. Story checks out.
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On July 23 2026 05:04 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:43 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:[quote] I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? [quote] Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:[quote] I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? [quote] Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans I never claim to not be of that persuasion though, people are free to take it or leave it Others seem to live under the misapprehension that occasionally saying you don’t support x, covers you from criticism when you constantly defend x, or equivocate in a manner that is indistinguishable from defence Entirely their prerogative, but it’s inevitable other people will form certain impressions I can speak from firsthand experience that being moderately against or conditionally against (with reservations) instead of forcefully and vitriolically against gets chalked up to MAGA and begets a hundred thread tropes and accusations. Sorry, if you overlabel something, and particularly use ephemera to trash somebody's secret tribe, you're going to get criticism directed at your criticism. If the thread has a straight majority of people doing this, then you have to show that your mind can handle non-MAGA critiques of Democrats, and (in Introvert's case) pro-Republican stances that aren't instantly MAGA. Because it's fucking easy as hell to junk contrary opinions as MAGA, or opinions you can't understand as showing the logic of MAGA, and I'm pretty sure you're deep in that. Not positive. Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:49 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:[quote] I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? [quote] Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:[quote] I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? [quote] Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans Nope, that’s what you are pretending to be. You show this every time you twist people’s words to fit your narrative. I don’t even know why you bother at this point, you’re act is not fooling anyone. Just make that your signature: and if you disagree, you're probably a fake centrist. Then you've cut your ideological burden in more than half. Only people to your left can be heard and responded to.
No, not at all, this is my frustration. Conversatives are perfectly capable of arguing their ideas without recourse to defending the indefensible in and the likes of a Trump
I’m perfectly happy with the former, the latter is a huge waste of time
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On July 23 2026 05:28 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 05:20 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 05:04 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:43 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
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I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.
I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.
Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
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I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.
I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.
Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans I never claim to not be of that persuasion though, people are free to take it or leave it Others seem to live under the misapprehension that occasionally saying you don’t support x, covers you from criticism when you constantly defend x, or equivocate in a manner that is indistinguishable from defence Entirely their prerogative, but it’s inevitable other people will form certain impressions I can speak from firsthand experience that being moderately against or conditionally against (with reservations) instead of forcefully and vitriolically against gets chalked up to MAGA and begets a hundred thread tropes and accusations. Sorry, if you overlabel something, and particularly use ephemera to trash somebody's secret tribe, you're going to get criticism directed at your criticism. If the thread has a straight majority of people doing this, then you have to show that your mind can handle non-MAGA critiques of Democrats, and (in Introvert's case) pro-Republican stances that aren't instantly MAGA. Because it's fucking easy as hell to junk contrary opinions as MAGA, or opinions you can't understand as showing the logic of MAGA, and I'm pretty sure you're deep in that. Not positive. On July 23 2026 04:49 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
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I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.
I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.
Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
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I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.
I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.
Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans Nope, that’s what you are pretending to be. You show this every time you twist people’s words to fit your narrative. I don’t even know why you bother at this point, you’re act is not fooling anyone. Just make that your signature: and if you disagree, you're probably a fake centrist. Then you've cut your ideological burden in more than half. Only people to your left can be heard and responded to. This is my point. You didn’t disagree with me. You made shit up to disagree with. It’s your “style”. I live in a community that is 90% conservative, I do completely fine with talking to conservatives. They just are not pretending to be something else, and they do not make up shit I said, they respond to my actual words. Your act has a shelf life and it’s past. I think it's pretty well documented in this thread. Introvert talked about left-wingers including union leaders with sympathies/praise for the Cuban system, you change what Introvert said to communists (typical bad-faith means of attacking someone), of course it's pointed out, but changing what somebody said to attack it is now "dancing around the word" (typicalx2) while calling him "far right." So my suggestion to you is to edit your posts to remove the bad faith and give a clearer understanding of what you said. If you stand by what you said, then you're in the impossible situations of simultaneously calling left-winger criticism as basic arguing about words (you changed the words) but right-winger criticism is not arguing about words. So, pick what you really think is true and resolve internal contradictions. If you can't, that says something about you too!
Yawn. There is nothing wrong with asking someone who considers themselves r center right, the positions right of them. You trying to stoke internet fites is just a waste of time.
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On July 23 2026 05:32 LightSpectra wrote:
The most moderate thing an anti-Trump moderate Democrat can do is repeatedly, passionately defend Donald Trump's rape of E. Jean Carroll. Story checks out. It was a minor point, but your repeated use of the word "adjudicated" was wrongheaded and incorrect on the law, on the nature of jury decisions, and on the list of charges. That's one of the problems in these parts. You insist on being incorrect so hard that any attempt on a correction is listed as "defending Donald Trump."
It's like you could insist that Donald Trump poisoned 3 hookers in Fargo, and pointing out that it's wrong is "defending Donald Trump."
On July 23 2026 05:43 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 05:04 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:43 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
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Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.
Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.
I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
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Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.
Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.
I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans I never claim to not be of that persuasion though, people are free to take it or leave it Others seem to live under the misapprehension that occasionally saying you don’t support x, covers you from criticism when you constantly defend x, or equivocate in a manner that is indistinguishable from defence Entirely their prerogative, but it’s inevitable other people will form certain impressions I can speak from firsthand experience that being moderately against or conditionally against (with reservations) instead of forcefully and vitriolically against gets chalked up to MAGA and begets a hundred thread tropes and accusations. Sorry, if you overlabel something, and particularly use ephemera to trash somebody's secret tribe, you're going to get criticism directed at your criticism. If the thread has a straight majority of people doing this, then you have to show that your mind can handle non-MAGA critiques of Democrats, and (in Introvert's case) pro-Republican stances that aren't instantly MAGA. Because it's fucking easy as hell to junk contrary opinions as MAGA, or opinions you can't understand as showing the logic of MAGA, and I'm pretty sure you're deep in that. Not positive. On July 23 2026 04:49 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
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Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.
Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.
I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
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Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.
Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.
I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans Nope, that’s what you are pretending to be. You show this every time you twist people’s words to fit your narrative. I don’t even know why you bother at this point, you’re act is not fooling anyone. Just make that your signature: and if you disagree, you're probably a fake centrist. Then you've cut your ideological burden in more than half. Only people to your left can be heard and responded to. No, not at all, this is my frustration. Conversatives are perfectly capable of arguing their ideas without recourse to defending the indefensible in and the likes of a Trump I’m perfectly happy with the former, the latter is a huge waste of time I agree with you except for what gets labeled "defending the indefensible" with some regularity in these parts. Which is kind of key. I want people, including you, to be more thoughtful when it comes to broad labels and believing in what you say, but what I get back is overgeneralization in likely result from intellectual laziness. So I have to say the only sane reaction is to view these labels of "far right" or "playing with words" as more instances of "rules for thee, and not for me." And also to point out that fact once a month or so until I've gained the point, or people start acknowledging their own tribal prejudices or laziness. I've seen nothing to suggest Introvert is anywhere close to a non-insane person's use of the term "far right."
On July 23 2026 05:59 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 05:28 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 05:20 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 05:04 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:43 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:
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Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different.
American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left.
I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:
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Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different.
American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left.
I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans I never claim to not be of that persuasion though, people are free to take it or leave it Others seem to live under the misapprehension that occasionally saying you don’t support x, covers you from criticism when you constantly defend x, or equivocate in a manner that is indistinguishable from defence Entirely their prerogative, but it’s inevitable other people will form certain impressions I can speak from firsthand experience that being moderately against or conditionally against (with reservations) instead of forcefully and vitriolically against gets chalked up to MAGA and begets a hundred thread tropes and accusations. Sorry, if you overlabel something, and particularly use ephemera to trash somebody's secret tribe, you're going to get criticism directed at your criticism. If the thread has a straight majority of people doing this, then you have to show that your mind can handle non-MAGA critiques of Democrats, and (in Introvert's case) pro-Republican stances that aren't instantly MAGA. Because it's fucking easy as hell to junk contrary opinions as MAGA, or opinions you can't understand as showing the logic of MAGA, and I'm pretty sure you're deep in that. Not positive. On July 23 2026 04:49 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:
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Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different.
American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left.
I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:
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Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different.
American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left.
I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans Nope, that’s what you are pretending to be. You show this every time you twist people’s words to fit your narrative. I don’t even know why you bother at this point, you’re act is not fooling anyone. Just make that your signature: and if you disagree, you're probably a fake centrist. Then you've cut your ideological burden in more than half. Only people to your left can be heard and responded to. This is my point. You didn’t disagree with me. You made shit up to disagree with. It’s your “style”. I live in a community that is 90% conservative, I do completely fine with talking to conservatives. They just are not pretending to be something else, and they do not make up shit I said, they respond to my actual words. Your act has a shelf life and it’s past. I think it's pretty well documented in this thread. Introvert talked about left-wingers including union leaders with sympathies/praise for the Cuban system, you change what Introvert said to communists (typical bad-faith means of attacking someone), of course it's pointed out, but changing what somebody said to attack it is now "dancing around the word" (typicalx2) while calling him "far right." So my suggestion to you is to edit your posts to remove the bad faith and give a clearer understanding of what you said. If you stand by what you said, then you're in the impossible situations of simultaneously calling left-winger criticism as basic arguing about words (you changed the words) but right-winger criticism is not arguing about words. So, pick what you really think is true and resolve internal contradictions. If you can't, that says something about you too! Yawn. There is nothing wrong with asking someone who considers themselves r center right, the positions right of them. You trying to stoke internet fites is just a waste of time. I don't really regard you calling Introvert "far right" or myself, dyhb, "fake centrist," as coming from someone that's opposed to "stoking internet fites." I think you like starting fights, and have gotten a bit too used to avoiding criticism. Once that's solved, I have no issue with you.
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On July 23 2026 04:06 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
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I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. Source? For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism? On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
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I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question. Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing. Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. I mean I asked you to name some positions right of yours and dodged hard and fast. It should be easy for someone on the center right to do. I’m saying you calling people communist or saying they are communist without saying the word communist is no different. It is clear this is what you believe and it is a ridiculous take. Everyone left of you is not a communist, basically everyone that is not “an American conservative “ is left of you. The weird part is how you don’t own it and try to claim to be some sort of centerist with no positions right of yours. If you were at all centerist there would be a whole bunch right of yours.
I'm not answering because it's a weird digression.
I didn't say everyone to the left of me is a communist. Are you upset I said "left" and not "far left?" If you would like to collapse all criticism of, say, teachers unions leaders into criticism of the left, center included....be my guest if you want but it's probably a bad idea. Rather than pushing back it's just going to tar everyone.
There are people to "the right" of me but thankfully I don't actually believe America is on the cusp of a fascist tyranny because I think they are a way smaller segment of the population than "the left" would try to have us believe.
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On July 23 2026 06:57 dyhb wrote:
It's like you could insist that Donald Trump poisoned 3 hookers in Fargo, and pointing out that it's wrong is "defending Donald Trump."
I like how you tried to come up with a preposterous hypothetical on the fly but had to add "in Fargo" to decrease its probability, would have been risky without that extra detail
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The insane hypothetical that's supposed to make me look dumb is not much worse than the actual thing he did lmao
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On July 23 2026 07:56 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 04:06 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:
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Source?
For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism? On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:
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Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question.
Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing. Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas. The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have. Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist. I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders. Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. or things like this https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=enAre we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals? On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.
Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.
By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer. I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery. What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for? Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system. Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations. Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features. Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat. I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else. I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt. Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. I mean I asked you to name some positions right of yours and dodged hard and fast. It should be easy for someone on the center right to do. I’m saying you calling people communist or saying they are communist without saying the word communist is no different. It is clear this is what you believe and it is a ridiculous take. Everyone left of you is not a communist, basically everyone that is not “an American conservative “ is left of you. The weird part is how you don’t own it and try to claim to be some sort of centerist with no positions right of yours. If you were at all centerist there would be a whole bunch right of yours. I'm not answering because it's a weird digression. I didn't say everyone to the left of me is a communist. Are you upset I said "left" and not "far left?" If you would like to collapse all criticism of, say, teachers unions leaders into criticism of the left, center included....be my guest if you want but it's probably a bad idea. Rather than pushing back it's just going to tar everyone. There are people to "the right" of me but thankfully I don't actually believe America is on the cusp of a fascist tyranny because I think they are a way smaller segment of the population than "the left" would try to have us believe.
I do not think it’s weird, I think it is why you think people are so out there. I also think it’s a painfully easy question for someone who’s not far right.
And as mentioned, I don’t get why so many people with far right views bristle at being called far right.
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On July 23 2026 07:56 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 06:57 dyhb wrote:
It's like you could insist that Donald Trump poisoned 3 hookers in Fargo, and pointing out that it's wrong is "defending Donald Trump." I like how you tried to come up with a preposterous hypothetical on the fly but had to add "in Fargo" to decrease its probability, would have been risky without that extra detail It's probably in the unreleased portion of the Epstein Files. But maybe you'd like it better if I changed it to a gunshot, 1 man, and Reno.
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On July 23 2026 06:57 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 05:32 LightSpectra wrote:
The most moderate thing an anti-Trump moderate Democrat can do is repeatedly, passionately defend Donald Trump's rape of E. Jean Carroll. Story checks out. It was a minor point, but your repeated use of the word "adjudicated" was wrongheaded and incorrect on the law, on the nature of jury decisions, and on the list of charges. That's one of the problems in these parts. You insist on being incorrect so hard that any attempt on a correction is listed as "defending Donald Trump." It's like you could insist that Donald Trump poisoned 3 hookers in Fargo, and pointing out that it's wrong is "defending Donald Trump." Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 05:43 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 05:04 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:43 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
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I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.
I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.
Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
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I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.
I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.
Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans I never claim to not be of that persuasion though, people are free to take it or leave it Others seem to live under the misapprehension that occasionally saying you don’t support x, covers you from criticism when you constantly defend x, or equivocate in a manner that is indistinguishable from defence Entirely their prerogative, but it’s inevitable other people will form certain impressions I can speak from firsthand experience that being moderately against or conditionally against (with reservations) instead of forcefully and vitriolically against gets chalked up to MAGA and begets a hundred thread tropes and accusations. Sorry, if you overlabel something, and particularly use ephemera to trash somebody's secret tribe, you're going to get criticism directed at your criticism. If the thread has a straight majority of people doing this, then you have to show that your mind can handle non-MAGA critiques of Democrats, and (in Introvert's case) pro-Republican stances that aren't instantly MAGA. Because it's fucking easy as hell to junk contrary opinions as MAGA, or opinions you can't understand as showing the logic of MAGA, and I'm pretty sure you're deep in that. Not positive. On July 23 2026 04:49 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
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I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.
I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.
Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
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I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.
I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.
Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different. American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left. I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans Nope, that’s what you are pretending to be. You show this every time you twist people’s words to fit your narrative. I don’t even know why you bother at this point, you’re act is not fooling anyone. Just make that your signature: and if you disagree, you're probably a fake centrist. Then you've cut your ideological burden in more than half. Only people to your left can be heard and responded to. No, not at all, this is my frustration. Conversatives are perfectly capable of arguing their ideas without recourse to defending the indefensible in and the likes of a Trump I’m perfectly happy with the former, the latter is a huge waste of time I agree with you except for what gets labeled "defending the indefensible" with some regularity in these parts. Which is kind of key. I want people, including you, to be more thoughtful when it comes to broad labels and believing in what you say, but what I get back is overgeneralization in likely result from intellectual laziness. So I have to say the only sane reaction is to view these labels of "far right" or "playing with words" as more instances of "rules for thee, and not for me." And also to point out that fact once a month or so until I've gained the point, or people start acknowledging their own tribal prejudices or laziness. I've seen nothing to suggest Introvert is anywhere close to a non-insane person's use of the term "far right." Show nested quote +On July 23 2026 05:59 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 05:28 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 05:20 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 05:04 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:43 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:
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I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:
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I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans I never claim to not be of that persuasion though, people are free to take it or leave it Others seem to live under the misapprehension that occasionally saying you don’t support x, covers you from criticism when you constantly defend x, or equivocate in a manner that is indistinguishable from defence Entirely their prerogative, but it’s inevitable other people will form certain impressions I can speak from firsthand experience that being moderately against or conditionally against (with reservations) instead of forcefully and vitriolically against gets chalked up to MAGA and begets a hundred thread tropes and accusations. Sorry, if you overlabel something, and particularly use ephemera to trash somebody's secret tribe, you're going to get criticism directed at your criticism. If the thread has a straight majority of people doing this, then you have to show that your mind can handle non-MAGA critiques of Democrats, and (in Introvert's case) pro-Republican stances that aren't instantly MAGA. Because it's fucking easy as hell to junk contrary opinions as MAGA, or opinions you can't understand as showing the logic of MAGA, and I'm pretty sure you're deep in that. Not positive. On July 23 2026 04:49 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 04:33 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 04:00 WombaT wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:
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I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Oh noes turns out running defence on behalf of the Trumps of the world for years has people thinking you share their politics Who could have possibly predicted such a thing? I hope you incorporate a "theory of mind" that allows for other people being convinced of things that you deny, and you being convinced of other things that they deny. Since this depends on the shared, bitter history that's endemic here, I'd have to ask Introvert if he likewise says Wombat "turns out he's been running defense on behalf of left-wingers that hate appropriate labels for years." On July 23 2026 04:07 Billyboy wrote:On July 23 2026 03:57 dyhb wrote:On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:
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I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big. He's very defensive about words and labels when its left-wingers in regards to your comments on teachers & Cubans, but simultaneously assertive about words and labels regarding right-wingers when he can call you far right and label movements. So just keep holding up that mirror and make him hate his own reflection, in my opinion. Shocking that our fake centerist swoops in to defend a position and ignore the words written. At least you stay on brand. Anti-Trump, anti-progressive, moderate Democrat. Which is to say, a target of regular hate for progressives. They hate their neighbors more than they hate Republicans Nope, that’s what you are pretending to be. You show this every time you twist people’s words to fit your narrative. I don’t even know why you bother at this point, you’re act is not fooling anyone. Just make that your signature: and if you disagree, you're probably a fake centrist. Then you've cut your ideological burden in more than half. Only people to your left can be heard and responded to. This is my point. You didn’t disagree with me. You made shit up to disagree with. It’s your “style”. I live in a community that is 90% conservative, I do completely fine with talking to conservatives. They just are not pretending to be something else, and they do not make up shit I said, they respond to my actual words. Your act has a shelf life and it’s past. I think it's pretty well documented in this thread. Introvert talked about left-wingers including union leaders with sympathies/praise for the Cuban system, you change what Introvert said to communists (typical bad-faith means of attacking someone), of course it's pointed out, but changing what somebody said to attack it is now "dancing around the word" (typicalx2) while calling him "far right." So my suggestion to you is to edit your posts to remove the bad faith and give a clearer understanding of what you said. If you stand by what you said, then you're in the impossible situations of simultaneously calling left-winger criticism as basic arguing about words (you changed the words) but right-winger criticism is not arguing about words. So, pick what you really think is true and resolve internal contradictions. If you can't, that says something about you too! Yawn. There is nothing wrong with asking someone who considers themselves r center right, the positions right of them. You trying to stoke internet fites is just a waste of time. I don't really regard you calling Introvert "far right" or myself, dyhb, "fake centrist," as coming from someone that's opposed to "stoking internet fites." I think you like starting fights, and have gotten a bit too used to avoiding criticism. Once that's solved, I have no issue with you.
You would have to criticize something I said instead of making shit up and criticizing me for it to find out if I could handle it or not. Given that your incapable of it, you won’t ever find out.
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