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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7198 Posts
July 22 2026 09:25 GMT
#117401
On July 22 2026 14:53 lestye wrote:
This discussion gave me de ja vu of something we basically litigated online yesteryear:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_University_of_Oklahoma_essay_controversy


where this lady gets a low grade and blames anti conservative bias, when she basically did not use any citations, and just used her weird dogma to answer the question. Her essay was trash and wouldn't even held up if it was used in a seminary setting.

And ofc it got the transgender instructor fired
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44398 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-22 10:10:55
July 22 2026 10:10 GMT
#117402
On July 22 2026 16:51 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 16:43 Acrofales wrote:
On July 22 2026 16:34 oBlade wrote:
On July 22 2026 16:18 Turbovolver wrote:
ETisME couldn't (or didn't want to) tell me how "shareholder value goes up" is a net good for the world as a greater whole, really this seems like it's just that again but now applied to a more specific specific issue.

Good Business = Good, it's right there in the name.

Of shareholder value increasing, decreasing, and remaining the same, which of those would you rank as good, bad, or indifferent?

Given how utterly disconnected the stock price usually is from what the company contributes to society, I'm going to have to go with "indifferent" on all of those.

The reason we use money is because it's a quantifiable representation of value.
The reason why we use balance sheet to judge how well a company is doing, is because it gives you a quantifiable representation of it's financial health and performance.
Share values is how confident investors are in its ability, and all that.

all it takes is your voting with your wallet, did you put your money into a company that is contribution more to the society but less return? Share value does affect their ability to raise more capitals, hope you are supporting the more social contributing companies

You’re confusing balance sheet and income statement.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12058 Posts
July 22 2026 12:58 GMT
#117403
On July 22 2026 18:25 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 14:53 lestye wrote:
This discussion gave me de ja vu of something we basically litigated online yesteryear:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_University_of_Oklahoma_essay_controversy


where this lady gets a low grade and blames anti conservative bias, when she basically did not use any citations, and just used her weird dogma to answer the question. Her essay was trash and wouldn't even held up if it was used in a seminary setting.

And ofc it got the transgender instructor fired


Of course it does. American crazies use the power of the shitstorm to beat people into submission. If you don't do exactly what they want, they will start a shitstorm using the thousands of insane cultists these people have access to which no institution has interest in fighting back against, so they just throw whoever they first targetted under the bus.

And people notice that. You can be sure that the next trans instructor to get such a shitty essay will just give it a passing grade to not be stuck in that shitstorm. And these people have weaponized this. No one can really fight back against thousands of insane people.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1842 Posts
July 22 2026 12:59 GMT
#117404
On July 22 2026 16:34 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 16:18 Turbovolver wrote:
ETisME couldn't (or didn't want to) tell me how "shareholder value goes up" is a net good for the world as a greater whole, really this seems like it's just that again but now applied to a more specific specific issue.

Good Business = Good, it's right there in the name.

Of shareholder value increasing, decreasing, and remaining the same, which of those would you rank as good, bad, or indifferent?


Who won the 2020 election?
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3410 Posts
July 22 2026 13:26 GMT
#117405
Is it a net good for society if I, personally, make a profit playing blackjack at the casino?
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10978 Posts
July 22 2026 13:35 GMT
#117406
On July 22 2026 22:26 LightSpectra wrote:
Is it a net good for society if I, personally, make a profit playing blackjack at the casino?


Only if you spend the money on filling holes you dug yourself.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12058 Posts
July 22 2026 13:40 GMT
#117407
On July 22 2026 22:35 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 22:26 LightSpectra wrote:
Is it a net good for society if I, personally, make a profit playing blackjack at the casino?


Only if you spend the money on filling holes you dug yourself.


Statistically, i think a lot of men who win at the casino invest at least some of those money into holes they can fill.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2907 Posts
July 22 2026 13:46 GMT
#117408
On July 22 2026 18:25 PoulsenB wrote:
The stock market accurately representing the state of the economy is one of the greatest lies of our age. Look at how during covid the Dow dropped initailly in March 2020 but a year later while lockdowns and supply chain disruptions were still ongoing, it not only fully recovered but was even higher than before the panini started. Or how Tesla has had ridiculously overinflated stock price for years now despite their results not justifying it at all, it's all hype based. Or how historically some of the companies with the most meteoric rise in share price have been the biggest fraud cases in history (e.g. Enron, Nortel). Day by day share price changes are pretty much random, investors make decisions based on hype. Pretty much the only times the stock market matters for the economy at large is when a bunch of corporations crash the market due to their greed and/or fraud and ordinary people have to shoulder the consequences while governments bail out the culprits.


The stockmarket is a tool. A complex system designed to make a bunch of slightly more evolved apes trade and invest more efficently.
Unfortunately like most advanced systems the apes don't really understand it and we can't process all the information required, and even if we could there are evidence to suggest we just aren't evolved to handle these problems very well.
We are good at pattern recognition however. If we do something and get bananas we keep doing it. Then we get angry and rage against the machine when it doesn't work and we lose all our bananas.
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1842 Posts
July 22 2026 14:04 GMT
#117409
It's very hard for me to take anything this guy advocating against doing anything about Climate change seriously.

He's been extremely wrong on many topics and jumps around current trends all the time, you will notice that he's been dead silent on Crypto for a while now, kind of coinciding with this stupid, wasteful and shitty industry finally rescinding from the public consciousness.

Stock market being completely divorced from reality has been discussed here before and the only positive (for now) development since the lats time we had this was that SpaceX has been sliding down as it should, but is still insanely overvalued.

It's the first time in a very long time that Musks dirty tricks are at least a bit starting to not work, perhaps an indicator that we are starting to normalize, but more likely just a sign that disposable incomes are getting less disposable with all the squeezes of the last 3 months and beyond.

The ultimate irony is, that as always, Republicans will cause the biggest crash in history only for Democrats to take over and have to deal with it, and that will give them an excuse to push back on all the progressive policies that would be enormously beneficial and cause them to be able to keep winning, its a vicious cycle that will never be broken as long as US is a 2 party system.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2605 Posts
July 22 2026 14:15 GMT
#117410
On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:
On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:
On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.


I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery.

Source?


For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism?

On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:
On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.


I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery.


Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question.

Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing.


Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas.

The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have.

Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist.


I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders.

Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

or things like this

https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=en

Are we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals?

On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.


I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery.

What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for?


Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system.

Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations.


Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.

Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.


I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.

I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.

Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different.

American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2605 Posts
July 22 2026 14:17 GMT
#117411
On July 22 2026 16:06 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 15:48 EnDeR_ wrote:
On July 22 2026 14:41 ETisME wrote:
On July 22 2026 14:22 EnDeR_ wrote:
What was the grading rubric for this document? What was the context, which degree programme, which year? We normally add accuracy checks as part of any assessments involving external research.

I must have the draft somewhere; the claim was that the rate of economic growth tied to development of climate change tools and rate of adaptions per regions.
Obviously not too difficult to write about, given a lot of these are quantifiable data with case studies..

It's just the standard final assignments. for economics (social science, not the commerce).
Accuracy is easy since I was only referencing the university provided research paper portal access and major news outlet basing around past events.
They didn't give me a failure, they just said I should pick another topic all together.

Who knows, maybe they thought it's too broad or predictive.


What you are describing is the 'do nothing' scenario typically used in climate modelling. That one generally has the most catastrophic outcomes so the advice you received doesn't feel that out of place. If you've got any journal article links making the case for more growth as an answer to climate change, I'd like to have a read.

Not quite true.

You must know the paper is more about the methodology, statements made with referencing and research etc, data modelling if needed.
The conclusion does not have to prove my hypothesis to be correct.

More economic growth, more broad investment including green tech, and more accessibility hence more adoption, lead by government regulation and incentives.
This was always going to be fairly easy paper to write about

Yes, making assumptions and drawing conclusions from them are very easy. It is the proof part that is challenging and no matter the topic you seem to avoid and do not get why people do not just agree with your assumptions.

Your assumptions are not facts, no matter how smart your believe yourself to be.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3410 Posts
July 22 2026 14:24 GMT
#117412
Some fun headlines for today:

US’s Own Intelligence Finds Further Strikes on Iran Are Futile, Report Says: https://truthout.org/articles/uss-own-intelligence-finds-further-strikes-on-iran-are-futile-report-says/

Saudis and US strike deal for kingdom to enrich uranium, reports say: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/22/saudi-arabia-would-enrich-uranium-under-reported-deal-with-us

"It is likely the agreement will not include the enhanced monitoring by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) that is found in the so-called additional protocol to which Iran had been subjected under the 2015 nuclear deal."

Susan Collins took money from men on the Epstein list before voting against releasing the files: https://meidasnews.com/news/more-donations-from-epstein-contacts-to-susan-collins-uncovered



"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24418 Posts
July 22 2026 14:28 GMT
#117413
On July 22 2026 14:52 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 14:16 ETisME wrote:
On July 22 2026 14:08 LightSpectra wrote:
The first step of peer review is immediately throwing something in the garbage if it obviously has no merit. That is, again, why biologists aren't wasting half their day continually re-debunking miasma theory.

Your tutor telling you your paper on climate change was bad enough that you should pick a different topic was doing peer review.

>Your tutor telling you your paper on climate change was bad enough that you should pick a different topic was doing peer review
that's a big assumption, considering I was referencing credible research papers.
Again, are you not taught what scientific method is? I hope you are learning.

Also I wasn't writing a research to be published.
the educator is meant to point out where the issue is, not on whether they agree with the conclusion.
Don't role play yourself as the tutor now

You're talking drivel. + Show Spoiler +
I worked as a university professor for a while and graded assignments. Here's how it works: before the class starts, we establish what the students are expected to learn in the course and set up clear instructions as well as clear criteria for grading. So for the example let's stick with a class on web development. The associated practical assignment is to build an e-commerce website. The instructions say to ensure it's legal and ethical.

If you follow the assignment and decide to build a website for selling Nazi paraphernalia, I would have told you in the second session (when ideas needed to be presented) that that doesn't count as an ethical topic, and you should pick a different theme. If you don't and on session 3 you insist that selling Nazi paraphernalia is an ethical topic, I'll just scale it up to the dean, and whatever the dean decides is what we'll go with. And while I haven't had any students try to build a website selling Nazi paraphernalia, there have been a few edgelords suggesting drugs as their product. Usually I just told them to sell cannabis products instead, and it's fine. The topic, however, is over of exactly two areas where any subjectivity is allowed, and the topic isn't part of the rubric. It's a prerequisite for getting graded at all, and there's plenty of time to discuss and change it during the quadrimester. Inside the rubric there are 9 points to be given out for entirely objective things like "does clicking the buy button add the product to your shopping cart". The final point, which is allowed to be subjective, is for general UX. If you got enough of the regular points, UX is almost always a freebie: the only way to fuck that up would be to intentionally pick some clashing colors, the text in Comic sans and everything blinking all the time. And even then, I'd probably give the points for creativity: you understand how to use CSS to get a customised look and feel, even if you used it to troll me.

I have to believe this was readily apparent to all of you pages ago, but they mentioned science and education so it fully triggered people into falling into their "Sartre" trap anyway.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17986 Posts
July 22 2026 14:38 GMT
#117414
https://youtube.com/shorts/hPPB0pDS49I?si=anLRvk0b3rRDh15C
Reagan continues in this speech to state this is a major contributor to America's strength and greatness.

From this viewpoint it then becomes difficult to deport hundreds of thousands of people. Obama's deportations included the proper approach. He did not dehumanize the people who entered the country illegally. He labelled them "undocumented workers". Trump's confrontational approach to mass deportations has not been nearly as effective because it has led to a massive backlash. Obama's approach did not see this kind of backlash.

So we've seen 8 years of Obama's methods to deporting illegals versus 6 years of Trump deporting illegals. ... Obama takes this one by a wide margin.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12058 Posts
July 22 2026 15:39 GMT
#117415
On July 22 2026 23:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
https://youtube.com/shorts/hPPB0pDS49I?si=anLRvk0b3rRDh15C
Reagan continues in this speech to state this is a major contributor to America's strength and greatness.

From this viewpoint it then becomes difficult to deport hundreds of thousands of people. Obama's deportations included the proper approach. He did not dehumanize the people who entered the country illegally. He labelled them "undocumented workers". Trump's confrontational approach to mass deportations has not been nearly as effective because it has led to a massive backlash. Obama's approach did not see this kind of backlash.

So we've seen 8 years of Obama's methods to deporting illegals versus 6 years of Trump deporting illegals. ... Obama takes this one by a wide margin.


That is the thing these big strong MAGA men simply don't understand. Whatever you want to do, you achieve way more if you don't needlessly make everyone hate you and fight back as hard as humanly possible.

But to them, it is way more important to appear strong and powerful and force everyone to do what they say than to actually achieve anything.

That doesn't mean always cave in. But choose your battles. Someone who never became an enemy is a battle you won without even fighting it. And conversely, anyone you turn into an enemy without need is another battle you need to win.
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3319 Posts
July 22 2026 16:17 GMT
#117416
On July 23 2026 00:39 Simberto wrote:
But to them, it is way more important to appear strong and powerful and force everyone to do what they say than to actually achieve anything.


We're a long way from understanding the full scope of this shitshow we call reality. If that were true, they wouldn't be simping for a man who's been shitting on his diaper on live tv for years
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2605 Posts
July 22 2026 16:30 GMT
#117417
On July 23 2026 01:17 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2026 00:39 Simberto wrote:
But to them, it is way more important to appear strong and powerful and force everyone to do what they say than to actually achieve anything.


We're a long way from understanding the full scope of this shitshow we call reality. If that were true, they wouldn't be simping for a man who's been shitting on his diaper on live tv for years

It is true, for some reason they listen and believe the words no matter how detached from reality instead of watching the actions.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5065 Posts
July 22 2026 18:28 GMT
#117418
On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:
On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:
On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.


I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery.

Source?


For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism?

On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:
On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.


I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery.


Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question.

Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing.


Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas.

The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have.

Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist.


I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders.

Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

or things like this

https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=en

Are we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals?

On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.


I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery.

What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for?


Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system.

Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations.


Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.

Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.


I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.

I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.

Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different.

American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left.


I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1842 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-22 18:40:34
July 22 2026 18:40 GMT
#117419
On July 23 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 23:15 Billyboy wrote:
On July 22 2026 13:05 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 11:35 Billyboy wrote:
On July 22 2026 10:38 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 09:48 Billyboy wrote:
On July 22 2026 09:34 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 08:36 Billyboy wrote:
On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.


I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery.

Source?


For which part? How much do you know of Cold War era left-wing activism?

On July 22 2026 08:52 Jankisa wrote:
On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.


I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery.


Insane that neither of you guys will answer a simple question.

Also insane that you are basically going along with "communist infiltration" story. Amazing.


Joe Biden won. You need better gotchas.

The teachers being communists, or your definition of communists. Because it’s strange that the most right wing democracy around has this communist problem that none of the much more left wing European countries have.

Also, you lose all credibility when you call Biden a communist.


I didn't say the teachers are communists. I said many union leaders are lefties with sympathies for Cuba. We'd be totally screwed if the average teacher was like the union leaders.

Remember when, during COVID for example, the head the LA teachers union said that learning loss wasn't real, that it was OK that the students didn't know time tables because they knew oppression and "coup"? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

or things like this

https://x.com/CTULocal1/status/1971749649951142009?lang=en

Are we actually going to pretend teachers unions are led by normal center left liberals?

On July 22 2026 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 22 2026 07:32 Introvert wrote:
On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.


I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery.

What exactly is the Cuban "system" that teachers/unions have an affinity for?


Same as the usual BS they all say, praising its education and healthcare system.

Edit: btw it's often framed as supporting Cuban union members or calling on the US to lift restrictions. Harder to find out and out praise for the Cuban regime as time has gone on. Fewer people gushing over the Castros. But there's no reason for a US union to take a position on a topic like that. Nevermind how, since so much over there is government run, it's not like you are finding actual free assocations of workers instead of state associations.


Saying something is good in another system with way lower reasources doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you able to look at things without bias. Certificate strange to call people who are likely not nearly as close to communism communist when you get so pissed at trump being called a fascist when he hits almost all the main features.

Out of curiosity you have always bristled at being called far right. What positions are right of yours? Feel free to pick abortion, or taxation, or whatever floats your boat.


I purposely have not used the word communist because I know when anyone does it leads to exactly what you are doing, which is arguing about the word more than anything else.

I'm not interested in this odd aside but I am a big fan of the American revolution and as an American conservative that's the thing I'm trying to conserve and adapt.

Dancing around the word doesn’t make the accusation any different.

American conservatives are far right for the most part at this moment (including yourself). What I don’t understand is why your are embarrassed of that, but not of the belief itself? It’s not like GH is offended when he is called far left.


I am trying to figure out what you are on about. Arguing about words while simultaneously telling me it doesn't matter because reasons. My one sentence opinion is that if you put me in the "far right" box then you havw made the box too big.


Big "no, it's the children who are wrong".

Stances that you espouse in this thread, advocacy for state violence, justifying wars of aggression, support for discrimination against minorities, all of those are 100 % far right stances, but it's hard to see how far you have gone from inside of the cult, I guess.

At least you, unlike oBlade can say who won in 2020, so I have to give you that one, many ostensibly respectable people, albeit in senate hearings or on TV can't bring themselves to acknowledge this fact, so you aren't as far gone as you could be.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2952 Posts
July 22 2026 18:50 GMT
#117420
On July 22 2026 16:06 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 15:48 EnDeR_ wrote:
On July 22 2026 14:41 ETisME wrote:
On July 22 2026 14:22 EnDeR_ wrote:
What was the grading rubric for this document? What was the context, which degree programme, which year? We normally add accuracy checks as part of any assessments involving external research.

I must have the draft somewhere; the claim was that the rate of economic growth tied to development of climate change tools and rate of adaptions per regions.
Obviously not too difficult to write about, given a lot of these are quantifiable data with case studies..

It's just the standard final assignments. for economics (social science, not the commerce).
Accuracy is easy since I was only referencing the university provided research paper portal access and major news outlet basing around past events.
They didn't give me a failure, they just said I should pick another topic all together.

Who knows, maybe they thought it's too broad or predictive.


What you are describing is the 'do nothing' scenario typically used in climate modelling. That one generally has the most catastrophic outcomes so the advice you received doesn't feel that out of place. If you've got any journal article links making the case for more growth as an answer to climate change, I'd like to have a read.

Not quite true.

You must know the paper is more about the methodology, statements made with referencing and research etc, data modelling if needed.
The conclusion does not have to prove my hypothesis to be correct.

More economic growth, more broad investment including green tech, and more accessibility hence more adoption, lead by government regulation and incentives.
This was always going to be fairly easy paper to write about


That's still a "do nothing, but greenwash it" scenario, which still has pretty much horrific outcomes.
Nevertheless, I'm ready and waiting for the reference supporting your essay. I would like to read it.
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